Proposal: Pacioretty for Gaudreau

[Moose Head]

Flames laugh.

And the Habs continue finishing ahead of the flames in the standings, even without their best player, Price.

 

[HuGo Sham]

LOL HF never change. you don't want the deal flames? fine.
but Pacioretty is a top 5-7 LW in ENTIRE league too.
is still in his prime on a ridiculous contract...
so chill on the hyperbole, you're embarrassing yourselves

 

[Church Hill]

Gaudreau is elite. Pacioretty is pretty good. In no universe would Calgary do this. Montreal would suck a D to get this done.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Gaudreau is in my mind in the same tier as Tarasenko and, just below franschiseplayers like Kane and Karlsson but well above "regular stars" like Pacioretty, Johansen, Palat.

 

[CanadienShark]

I was basing it on the fact that people inexplicably seem to think Brouwer is a good player.

I mean, I think Gaudreau is slightly more valuable now than Pacioretty all things considered, and he has more room to grow. The gap between Galchenyuk and Brouwer is so massive I don't think anyone could justify that deal from the Habs side. And I don't think anyone could justify refusing from the Flames side.

 

[BatVader]

Gaudreau is in my mind in the same tier as Tarasenko and, just below franschiseplayers like Kane and Karlsson but well above "regular stars" like Pacioretty, Johansen, Palat.

Fair enough.



Um... just curious.
What colors the sky in your mind?

 

[Skobel24]

Pass. I'd rather keep Gaudreau.

 

[feds91]

let me guess, OP is a Habs fan

 

[Kanye]

Gaudreau for Price

 

[SmellOfVictory]

I mean, I think Gaudreau is slightly more valuable now than Pacioretty all things considered, and he has more room to grow. The gap between Galchenyuk and Brouwer is so massive I don't think anyone could justify that deal from the Habs side. And I don't think anyone could justify refusing from the Flames side.

I think the value between Pacioretty and Gaudreau, from the perspective of most teams, is a pretty decent gap. Pacioretty is a very good player, but he's five years older than Gaudreau and he has three years remaining on his contract before being UFA eligible. The value with Gaudreau I think really comes from the fact that he's just entering his prime and will likely be with his next team for 6-8 years, whereas Pacioretty is in the meat of his prime and when his contract is up, he'll be at the age where most players get overpaid as they slowly begin to decline.

If we're looking at a team like the Hawks or Kings, Pacioretty may have equal (possibly even more) value to Gaudreau because his cap hit is so good during their cup windows. But for most teams that aren't right in their cup window, I think Gaudreau's value is notably higher simply by virtue of the fact that a 4.5 million dollar 1st line winger doesn't do much good if the rest of the team still isn't at contender level.

But yes, Galchenyuk vs Brouwer is a pretty big gap. In honesty I'm not sure the Flames have the right secondary piece to add in this trade.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Right now, I would say the difference between Gaudreau and Pacioretty isnt big, but the fact that Gaudreau is 4 years younger makes it lopsided.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Elliott for Price

 

[CanadienShark]

I think the value between Pacioretty and Gaudreau, from the perspective of most teams, is a pretty decent gap. Pacioretty is a very good player, but he's five years older than Gaudreau and he has three years remaining on his contract before being UFA eligible. The value with Gaudreau I think really comes from the fact that he's just entering his prime and will likely be with his next team for 6-8 years, whereas Pacioretty is in the meat of his prime and when his contract is up, he'll be at the age where most players get overpaid as they slowly begin to decline.

If we're looking at a team like the Hawks or Kings, Pacioretty may have equal (possibly even more) value to Gaudreau because his cap hit is so good during their cup windows. But for most teams that aren't right in their cup window, I think Gaudreau's value is notably higher simply by virtue of the fact that a 4.5 million dollar 1st line winger doesn't do much good if the rest of the team still isn't at contender level.

But yes, Galchenyuk vs Brouwer is a pretty big gap. In honesty I'm not sure the Flames have the right secondary piece to add in this trade.

I get that, it's just that Pacioretty is on one of the best deals in the NHL for multiple years still. He's a better two way forward than Gaudreau right now as well. As I've said, I think Gaudreau is slightly more valuable now. I just don't think he's far ahead at the moment. He has the hockey IQ and skill to really pull away though, which is really saying something since Pacioretty is a damn good player.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Fair enough. I'm a big fan of Pacioretty (admittedly a bigger fan of Gaudreau) but he's been one of my under-the-radar favourites since he entered the league. I think he tends not to get the credit he deserves, at least not until recently.

 

[Legend123]

Price for Brouwer sounds good

 

[McSuper]

I'm quite happy in keeping Patches.

Really there is little choice in this as the Flames don't touch this deal with out a good add

 

[rhinoshawarma]

I still wouldn't do it as a Habs fan, Pacioretty is bigger, stronger, much better defensively but Gaudreau produces more/has more skill. I'll keep my captain, Flames obviously keep Gaudreau

 

[sunnyvale]

Montreal is an 8 hour drive from south jersey. If he wants to be closer to home it's not going to be in canada

 

[Halla]

terrible for the flames. you dont trade a 30g/75-80pt player for a 30g/60-65pt guy who is 5 years older.

habs would have to add Sergachev in this scenario

 

[Halla]

I still wouldn't do it as a Habs fan, Pacioretty is bigger, stronger, much better defensively but Gaudreau produces more/has more skill. I'll keep my captain, Flames obviously keep Gaudreau

just lol. only one of these guys is good enough to be the best player on a contending team

 

[rhinoshawarma]

just lol. only one of these guys is good enough to be the best player on a contending team

Laugh all you want, value wise its obviously tilted the Habs way but I'm fine keeping Patches at 4.5m. I don't want to pay Gaudreau 8m, and he would be horrible with Therrien. Also Gaudreau on our team wouldn't be our best player

 

[the paisanos guy]

terrible for the flames. you dont trade a 30g/75-80pt player for a 30g/60-65pt guy who is 5 years older.

habs would have to add Sergachev in this scenario

I also think something like that would have to be the add.

Not looking at needs from either team but strictly value, out of curiosity what do Flames fans think of that?

Pacioretty + Sergachev for Gaudreau

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Gaudreau is so much more dynamic than Pacioretty. Gaudreau is on the rise.

 

[Skobel24]

Laugh all you want, value wise its obviously tilted the Habs way but I'm fine keeping Patches at 4.5m. I don't want to pay Gaudreau 8m, and he would be horrible with Therrien. Also Gaudreau on our team wouldn't be our best player

That's entirely fair. Patches at 4.5 makes more sense for Montreal, and they lack some size as is. Neither team does this.

 

[SB84]

Patches has a fantastic contract for Johnny Hockey still holds much more value. As a flames fan it's a big no from me and I'm hopeful Gaudreau will sign.