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TOUGHEN UP.
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Because Subban is significantly better.
Offensively he isnt.
Because Subban is significantly better.
And defensively it's not even close.
The previous administration's biggest weakness wasn't giving out contracts (we've had some bad ones, but the only laughable one was from a trade in Gomez), it was poor use and development of our prospect, and trading them for "character" vets in quick-fix situations. Refusing to give a long term contract to our best U-25 player looks like more of the same to me.
Here's what I know:
I know PK Subban had a ton of ice time on a team which finished dead last in the east.
I know PK Subban has put up 38 and 36 point seasons, and with a whopping 14 career powerplay points.
He also has 1 season with a positive plus minus.
Edler got a fair contract. He's better than Subban offensively but Subban is better defensively, so draw your own conclusions there. Edler could not handle the minutes Subban plays for the Habs, that's for sure, even if he's a more proven PP weapon.
This is so incorrect, Edler is very good defensively, had one bad series last year.
Also edler is dynamite offensively, much better then subban.
IMO subban should get a 8 year 4.5m type deal.
If someone could do this with a Subban image that would be cool.
After what Edler got, I can't believe PK will want more thant 4.5-5 milions per year. I think this signing could actually help Bergevin in the negotiations. At least, I hope so.
Why?
Because he's a mercenary?
Because his contract talks are frozen?
Because he's currently solo?
In any case, although my 'shoppin skills are a bit rusty (done close to squat since the end of the last season)...
This is so incorrect, Edler is very good defensively, had one bad series last year.
Also edler is dynamite offensively, much better then subban.
IMO subban should get a 8 year 4.5m type deal.
I see PK play much more than Edler so this is an honest question.. Is Edler really that much better than PK offensively? Edler plays on a much better team with much better players. You make it sound like PK isn't in the same league as Edler offensively.
Every insider says the $ is not really the issue, the problem is term. So I don't think this signing has much of an impact if Bergevin keeps holding firm on 2 years.
I see PK play much more than Edler so this is an honest question.. Is Edler really that much better than PK offensively? Edler plays on a much better team with much better players. You make it sound like PK isn't in the same league as Edler offensively.
And if this is the case, I can only draw three conclusions:
1- Bergie is smarter than us (or at least those of us that view subban as a true impact player with more to come)
2- Bergie is yet further proof that just bc you've been around the league a long time and worked with good ppl/"paid ur dues" does not mean you have a clue anymore than the casual fan
3-molson hired a rookie GM so he could dictate where his cash goes, & he doesn't like or doesn't see subban's potential
I can't understand this idiocy any other way... Since I view subban as the type of Rfa that you lock up long term above typical Rfa value bc he's about as sure of being "worth it" as anyone u can get to play 20+ minutes a game and not suck
& for the record, I've liked, or understood, every move Bergie has made thus far... This one reeks of "career-defining" blunder the way Gomez tarnished St -Bo's legacy
I disagree that Edler is miles ahead of PK. I can't make a complete judgment since I don't watch Vancouver except in playoffs. But comparing stats. PK is not far off of what Edler has. And this is keeping in mind that Edler plays with one of the best teams during the regular season. And the Habs were worst in the East while mediocre the year before.
I won't disagree that Edler is very reliable. He's a key component of their team. But saying that he's way better than PK... C'mon, I want PK to cave and sign just like most of us here. But this is just deluding ourselves.
And if this is the case, I can only draw three conclusions:
1- Bergie is smarter than us (or at least those of us that view subban as a true impact player with more to come)
2- Bergie is yet further proof that just bc you've been around the league a long time and worked with good ppl/"paid ur dues" does not mean you have a clue anymore than the casual fan
3-molson hired a rookie GM so he could dictate where his cash goes, & he doesn't like or doesn't see subban's potential
I can't understand this idiocy any other way... Since I view subban as the type of Rfa that you lock up long term above typical Rfa value bc he's about as sure of being "worth it" as anyone u can get to play 20+ minutes a game and not suck
& for the record, I've liked, or understood, every move Bergie has made thus far... This one reeks of "career-defining" blunder the way Gomez tarnished St -Bo's legacy
Both are great offensively, I do agree edler has had some better players around him, but Edler has a offensive presence I think PK misses, at this point.
That being said, PK has the chance to put up 60 points a year if he plays 2 his potential.
1 - Nobody in this entire thread DOESN'T think that PK Subban is a true impact player with more to come. We ALL think that. That doesn't mean he deserves what (allegedly) he is asking for, which is close to Doughty type money and length.
Bringing up that comparison when I did, I'm not saying Edler is better. But I'm saying they are comparable. And Edler's contract is UFA years.I disagree that Edler is miles ahead of PK. I can't make a complete judgment since I don't watch Vancouver except in playoffs. But comparing stats. PK is not far off of what Edler has. And this is keeping in mind that Edler plays with one of the best teams during the regular season. And the Habs were worst in the East while mediocre the year before.
I won't disagree that Edler is very reliable. He's a key component of their team. But saying that he's way better than PK... C'mon, I want PK to cave and sign just like most of us here. But this is just deluding ourselves.
If he's a great impact player with the best to come then he is certainly worth more than 2 years @ 3.25 million per.