Owen Sound Attack 2024-25 Season, Part I

[Stellar29]

His arm was in a cast last night. Unless that was just a ruse they were using as an excuse to “wink-wink” hold him out of the game.



Based on how well Delisle has played so far this year, that would be an over pay for Barlow. Especially if it includes three 2nds and three 3rds.

Was it a hard cast or a soft cast? It would seem to be a legit injury. I watched the first period against Brantford and he only played one shift. He was out on the PK and took a fairly innocuous bump and then played the rest of the shift with one hand on the stick and seemingly favoring the other arm. Just looked like a fluky deal but would be a heck of a performance if it was an act.

 

[Millpond]

No idea

Boy wouldn't this throw a wrench in things ?

The Attack currently have 6 D, now that Ethier was released last week and Konnor Smith was sent to AHL camp yesterday .

Can an injured player be traded?

 

[OHL4Life]

Boy wouldn't this throw a wrench in things ?

The Attack currently have 6 D, now that Ethier was released last week and Konnor Smith was sent to AHL camp yesterday .

Can an injured player be traded?

yup, heard it’s 7-10 days but we’ll see.

 

[Donnie740]

Was it a hard cast or a soft cast? It would seem to be a legit injury. I watched the first period against Brantford and he only played one shift. He was out on the PK and took a fairly innocuous bump and then played the rest of the shift with one hand on the stick and seemingly favoring the other arm. Just looked like a fluky deal but would be a heck of a performance if it was an act.

It looked like a hard cast, not just a splint. As soon as he got hit on Friday you could see his arm was hurt. So I have ZERO doubt that he’s legitimately injured.

You’d think if a trade was imminent and already agreed upon, Oshawa would have sat out the players involved. Especially after the Bedkowski injury on Friday night.

 

[dirty12]

His arm was in a cast last night. Unless that was just a ruse they were using as an excuse to “wink-wink” hold him out of the game.



Based on how well Delisle has played so far this year, that would be an over pay for Barlow. Especially if it includes three 2nds and three 3rds.

If I recall correctly, the picks posted on the oshawa thread were; 2, 3, 3, 5, 7,

 

[cruickshankd]

If I recall correctly, the picks posted on the oshawa thread were; 2, 3, 3, 5, 7,

Did those get posted by either of the two GM's???

 

[KFawcett]

Agreed. More entertaining than most games last year. If they can figure out the puck in the net thing it will only get better.

Putting the puck in the net is probably the work in progress that would be expected with all the new faces and faces in new roles. I think they will figure it out and on a positive note they did put 5 by an elite tender in 2 gms and a # of grade A chances. I lost count but at least 4 posts in 2 gms? Playing like they did on the weekend I'll be very happy to watch it doesn't get much more entertaining than that.

 

[KFawcett]

Deslile, Bedkowski and 6 picks, a few 2nds and 3rds and a few depth picks. That’s what it’s been for a month

Depending on Bedkowski's injury that's in my opinion a good return for Colby. It in my opinion closes the door on last year the guys here seem to be happy and there is a totally different(improved) vibe around the rink.

 

[OHL4Life]

Depending on Bedkowski's injury that's in my opinion a good return for Colby. It in my opinion closes the door on last year the guys here seem to be happy and there is a totally different(improved) vibe around the rink.

2 2nds and 3rds I believe

 

[KFawcett]

2 2nds and 3 rds

IMHO 2 players and those picks is a good return. I don't feel waiting for the window on 08's benefits anybody. D.D said at the townhall meeting that there are 3-4 08's they are keeping an eye on and expect them to push hard for spots next season so 06/07's now and picks is pretty intriguing.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Based on how well Delisle has played so far this year, that would be an over pay for Barlow. Especially if it includes three 2nds and three 3rds.

That didn't answer the question in any way. You said "Looking forward to seeing how the actual trade compares to the lunacy that was being insisted upon by the self proclaimed “insiders”".

I asked so what happens if the rumoured return for a month now (Delisle, Bedkowski and picks), is exactly the return, and your random made up feud with "insiders" was just you being completely wrong the entire time?

 

[Donnie740]

That didn't answer the question in any way. You said "Looking forward to seeing how the actual trade compares to the lunacy that was being insisted upon by the self proclaimed “insiders”".

I asked so what happens if the rumoured return for a month now (Delisle, Bedkowski and picks), is exactly the return, and your random made up feud with "insiders" was just you being completely wrong the entire time?

Not sure how much clearer I can make it for you.

If Oshawa trades Delisle, Bedkowski, three 2nds and three 3rds for Colby Barlow, it would be an overpay. Meaning Oshawa would be giving up too much in return for too little.

Maybe Barlow will go on to score 75 goals this year and lead the Generals to a Memorial Cup, while Delisle struggles to get fourth line minutes in Owen Sound and Bedkowski sits out the entire year with his arm injury. That’s a possibility. Certainly not a very realistic possibility, however there’s a slim chance that everything could unfold that way and it turns out to be a fantastic deal for Oshawa.

But as always, I stand by my previous comments. And as I’ve said from day one, it would be an overpay for Oshawa.

 

[Kingpin794]

Not sure how much clearer I can make it for you.

If Oshawa trades Delisle, Bedkowski, three 2nds and three 3rds for Colby Barlow, it would be an overpay. Meaning Oshawa would be giving up too much in return for too little.

Maybe Barlow will go on to score 75 goals this year and lead the Generals to a Memorial Cup, while Delisle struggles to get fourth line minutes in Owen Sound and Bedkowski sits out the entire year with his arm injury. That’s a possibility. Certainly not a very realistic possibility, however there’s a slim chance that everything could unfold that way and it turns out to be a fantastic deal for Oshawa.

But as always, I stand by my previous comments. And as I’ve said from day one, it would be an overpay for Oshawa.

He wasn’t asking if you think it’s an overpayment. He wants to know if you’ll continue to take shots at people who provide information or if you’ll finally give them credit.

 

[frontsfan67]

Not sure how much clearer I can make it for you.

If Oshawa trades Delisle, Bedkowski, three 2nds and three 3rds for Colby Barlow, it would be an overpay. Meaning Oshawa would be giving up too much in return for too little.

Maybe Barlow will go on to score 75 goals this year and lead the Generals to a Memorial Cup, while Delisle struggles to get fourth line minutes in Owen Sound and Bedkowski sits out the entire year with his arm injury. That’s a possibility. Certainly not a very realistic possibility, however there’s a slim chance that everything could unfold that way and it turns out to be a fantastic deal for Oshawa.

But as always, I stand by my previous comments. And as I’ve said from day one, it would be an overpay for Oshawa.

Most trades for big stars are overpays. But without overpaying you’re definitely not getting that big star that makes your team better.

Think of the positives here ol’ Donnie. Griffin will be staying and you get one of the best pure goal scorers in the chl

 

[Donnie740]

He wasn’t asking if you think it’s an overpayment. He wants to know if you’ll continue to take shots at people who provide information or if you’ll finally give them credit.

Are you only concerned with “guessing” what the trade will involve? If that’s the case, what are you and other “insiders” going to say if and when Oshawa doesn’t end up dealing Delisle and Bedkowski along with a half dozen 2nd and 3rds for Barlow?

I’m much more concerned with analyzing how a trade will impact the teams rather than “guessing” what’s going to be involved. And as I’ve explained numerous times, it’s too much for Oshawa to give up and I don’t believe Roger Hunt is dumb enough to make that kind of mistake.

I’ve never once said the Barlow-to-Oshawa trade will not happen - - only that it would be an over pay for the Generals to bring him in based on the purported cost. It’s possible that Hunt has a lapse in judgment or makes a panic move out of desperation.

But I stand by what I said about it being an overpayment.

 

[Kingpin794]

Are you only concerned with “guessing” what the trade will involve? If that’s the case, what are you and other “insiders” going to say if and when Oshawa doesn’t end up dealing Delisle and Bedkowski along with a half dozen 2nd and 3rds for Barlow?

I’m much more concerned with analyzing how a trade will impact the teams rather than “guessing” what’s going to be involved. And as I’ve explained numerous times, it’s too much for Oshawa to give up and I don’t believe Roger Hunt is dumb enough to make that kind of mistake.

I’ve never once said the Barlow-to-Oshawa trade will not happen - - only that it would be an over pay for the Generals to bring him in based on the purported cost. It’s possible that Hunt has a lapse in judgment or makes a panic move out of desperation.

But I stand by what I said about it being an overpayment.

I don’t care what the actual return will be or what Barlow’s impact will be. I’m just wondering if you are going to continue to be openly antagonistic?

For what’s it’s worth, I did mention in another thread that I don’t value Barlow as much as others do. But I understand the potential payment price. Can’t deal scared if you want a certain player.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I don’t care what the actual return will be or what Barlow’s impact will be. I’m just wondering if you are going to continue to be openly antagonistic?

For what’s it’s worth, I did mention in another thread that I don’t value Barlow as much as others do. But I understand the potential payment price. Can’t deal scared if you want a certain player.

Barlow is going to be overvalued because of the "chance" he does play his OA season which to me is probably about a 5% chance.
If you have the OA spot might better just pay less and take Wakely.

 

[jamemcca]

Are you only concerned with “guessing” what the trade will involve? If that’s the case, what are you and other “insiders” going to say if and when Oshawa doesn’t end up dealing Delisle and Bedkowski along with a half dozen 2nd and 3rds for Barlow?

I’m much more concerned with analyzing how a trade will impact the teams rather than “guessing” what’s going to be involved. And as I’ve explained numerous times, it’s too much for Oshawa to give up and I don’t believe Roger Hunt is dumb enough to make that kind of mistake.

I’ve never once said the Barlow-to-Oshawa trade will not happen - - only that it would be an over pay for the Generals to bring him in based on the purported cost. It’s possible that Hunt has a lapse in judgment or makes a panic move out of desperation.

But I stand by what I said about it being an overpayment.

For some reason you thought it was hilarious that I asked what that package was…why would that be?

 

[Donnie740]

I don’t care what the actual return will be or what Barlow’s impact will be. I’m just wondering if you are going to continue to be openly antagonistic?

For what’s it’s worth, I did mention in another thread that I don’t value Barlow as much as others do. But I understand the potential payment price. Can’t deal scared if you want a certain player.

Just because someone don’t share your opinion doesn’t make them “antagonistic”. This is a new-age societal problem where everyone claims “gaslighting” any time their statements get called into question.

 

[Kingpin794]

Just because someone don’t share your opinion doesn’t make them “antagonistic”. This is a new-age societal problem where everyone claims “gaslighting” any time their statements get called into question.

this is a new age societal problem where everyone claims “free speech” any time their statements get called into question.

See how it goes both ways?

You could just have answered, “if OHL4life is correct, I still won’t value his opinion” and I’d respect you more for just being honest.

 

[MJ5]

Just because someone don’t share your opinion doesn’t make them “antagonistic”. This is a new-age societal problem where everyone claims “gaslighting” any time their statements get called into question.

This schtick is by far my favorite here. Nostradonniemus is a king.

I just wish he would bless us with his season predictions.

 

[Leviathan899]

Not sure how much clearer I can make it for you.

If Oshawa trades Delisle, Bedkowski, three 2nds and three 3rds for Colby Barlow, it would be an overpay. Meaning Oshawa would be giving up too much in return for too little.

Maybe Barlow will go on to score 75 goals this year and lead the Generals to a Memorial Cup, while Delisle struggles to get fourth line minutes in Owen Sound and Bedkowski sits out the entire year with his arm injury. That’s a possibility. Certainly not a very realistic possibility, however there’s a slim chance that everything could unfold that way and it turns out to be a fantastic deal for Oshawa.

But as always, I stand by my previous comments. And as I’ve said from day one, it would be an overpay for Oshawa.

You don’t really understand how OHL hockey worlds, do you? Barlow is a 19 year old top 20 NHL pick who’s arguably the best goal scorer in the entire league, and you’d have him for almost an entire season. Yes Delisle is a solid young player and Bedkowski has potential, but let’s face it, Delisle is a third line C and ones everyone’s back from camp in time, he slots in as the 4C for Oshawa, and Costello has shown he can do that role well now. You have to give up quality to receive quality, that’s how it’s always worked. Nobody in their right mind would rather have Delisle and Bedkowski over Barlow, but they’re going to be nice pieces for a rebuilding Owen sound team. What would YOU be willing to give up? Including delisle keeps the amount of picks used down as well, giving Oshawa the ability to fill further holes as the season progresses. They’ll be getting a C at some point if Ritchie or Roobroeck don’t return.

 

[Millpond]

You don’t really understand how OHL hockey worlds, do you? Barlow is a 19 year old top 20 NHL pick who’s arguably the best goal scorer in the entire league, and you’d have him for almost an entire season. Yes Delisle is a solid young player and Bedkowski has potential, but let’s face it, Delisle is a third line C and ones everyone’s back from camp in time, he slots in as the 4C for Oshawa, and Costello has shown he can do that role well now. You have to give up quality to receive quality, that’s how it’s always worked. Nobody in their right mind would rather have Delisle and Bedkowski over Barlow, but they’re going to be nice pieces for a rebuilding Owen sound team. What would YOU be willing to give up? Including delisle keeps the amount of picks used down as well, giving Oshawa the ability to fill further holes as the season progresses. They’ll be getting a C at some point if Ritchie or Roobroeck don’t return.

This is the first "rebuild" DD has done in OS since he arrived ( except the first season he was here)

If he plays his cards right, he could parlay those picks into a couple more useful pieces in future.

The Attack has a bunch of young unproven talent this season . Looking forward to how things transpire

And we're gonna miss all you guys once the deal is done .

 

[Donnie740]

You don’t really understand how OHL hockey worlds, do you? Barlow is a 19 year old top 20 NHL pick who’s arguably the best goal scorer in the entire league, and you’d have him for almost an entire season. Yes Delisle is a solid young player and Bedkowski has potential, but let’s face it, Delisle is a third line C and ones everyone’s back from camp in time, he slots in as the 4C for Oshawa, and Costello has shown he can do that role well now. You have to give up quality to receive quality, that’s how it’s always worked. Nobody in their right mind would rather have Delisle and Bedkowski over Barlow, but they’re going to be nice pieces for a rebuilding Owen sound team. What would YOU be willing to give up? Including delisle keeps the amount of picks used down as well, giving Oshawa the ability to fill further holes as the season progresses. They’ll be getting a C at some point if Ritchie or Roobroeck don’t return.

I wish the Generals had that depth of talent up front, but there’s not a chance in hell that Delisle is a fourth line player for them this year.

Let’s try to think it through logically - - which NINE (9) forwards are better than Delisle?

Ritchie, Sennecke, Buckley, Griffin, Sinivouri, Torrance…that’s SIX (6). And then who? Certainly none of the other returnees are better than Delisle. Costello isn’t even remotely comparable. And, understandably, the two rookies don’t know if they’re on foot or on horseback. Even adding in Roobroeck and Barlow without subtracting any of the aforementioned and Delisle still plays as a top NINE (9) forward.

You need three good lines to have a realistic championship aspiration. If not, the top two lines get burnt out and the third line becomes a liability that gets exposed after the bottom feeders get eliminated and the competition amps up. Look at London and Saginaw last year. Three excellent lines on both teams.

Oshawa would be much better served to go after a couple of under-the-radar players like they did with getting Sandhu and Lockhart for some irrelevant middling draft picks last year.

 

[Leviathan899]

I wish the Generals had that depth of talent up front, but there’s not a chance in hell that Delisle is a fourth line player for them this year.

Let’s try to think it through logically - - which NINE (9) forwards are better than Delisle?

Ritchie, Sennecke, Buckley, Griffin, Sinivouri, Torrance…that’s SIX (6). And then who? Certainly none of the other returnees are better than Delisle. Costello isn’t even remotely comparable. And, understandably, the two rookies don’t know if they’re on foot or on horseback. Even adding in Roobroeck and Barlow without subtracting any of the aforementioned and Delisle still plays as a top NINE (9) forward.

You need three good lines to have a realistic championship aspiration. If not, the top two lines get burnt out and the third line becomes a liability that gets exposed after the bottom feeders get eliminated and the competition amps up. Look at London and Saginaw last year. Three excellent lines on both teams.

Oshawa would be much better served to go after a couple of under-the-radar players like they did with getting Sandhu and Lockhart for some irrelevant middling draft picks last year.

If you have Ritchie and Roobroeck back, plus griffin, Delisle easily slots in as 4C, and while I think he’s better than Costello, I don’t think it’s a massive gap by any means. Costello would be a fine 4C. He has some size, skates well and is a very good PK’er. Say only one of Ritchie and Roobroeck return, than a Delisle is 3C. You could quite easily replace that via trade between now and the trade deadline. I don’t worry about ranking players 1-9 as a lot of it is contingent on position. Franssen and Rogowski both look like they’re everyday OHL players as well, and once you had Barlow, Sennecke, Ritchie/Roobroeck, they get pushed further down the lineup and can play against other teams bottom 6, third pair D. A Paquette from Guelph or a Foster from Ottawa would be two potential C’s I’d look to add, and they shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg to acquire. Plenty other options as well. They also have the chance to do what they did last year and upgrade Stewart to Punnett, with Torrance or D’Amato. They could flip Torrance plus a pick or two for a Van Steensel, Wakely, Allard, Swick type. We will also have additional 2nds and 3rds to work with even after acquiring Barlow, plus the option of Smith as a trade chip. I don’t understand your negativity. You are super high on Brampton, who I believe is a good team, but they’re thin as well outside their top 5 players. Martone, Rehkopf, MacDonell, Misa and Sova and then a bunch of mid level OHL players. Von Richter is solid, I’ll give you that.