Owen Sound Attack 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[AttackBeacher]

I think the thing that frustrates many with Sedley is you can see how good of a player he could be with more attention to detail in the D-zone. He's elite in the O-zone without question. Some minor adjustments in the D-zone with body positioning, boxing out, tying up sticks etc would go along way in rounding out his game. If he's serious about wanting to go pro he needs to work on that part of his game. I don't think it's unfair to point out those issues as they are 100% correctable and he's certainly capable of making the adjustments. A lot of people say he has elite hockey IQ, apply it at both ends of the rink.

Every player in the OHL has flaws, or they would not be in the OHL. They would be playing pro somewhere. I get that Sedley has flaws, but he's also the distributor on one of if not the best power plays in the OHL. If he was gone and the PP was at 15 in the league, then the complaint would be we dont have a true PP quarterback.

I would think that if Sedley was put up for trade, there would be a lineup of teams looking for him and would give up either current over age defenceman to make it happen. He has flaws, but so does every other player in the OHL. His pluses make him one of the best at what he does, which is truly hard to find.

 

[ktownfan]

They have the best record in the OHL the past 10 games. The offense has been dangerous and producing at both 5 on 5 and on the PP (one of if not the best in the OHL).

Why would they move him higher in the lineup when he hasn't produced in those games and outside of the Windsor game, has 5 points all year. Thats Brennan level of production.

IMO, you're viewing what's best for a single player, not what's best for the team.

Math is hard for you, check the stats,
Like i said, just my opinion, was waiting for your negativity. And we got it. Thanks

 

[AttackBeacher]

Math is hard for you, check the stats,
Like i said, just my opinion, was waiting for your negativity. And we got it. Thanks

Outside of the Windsor game, he has 5 points this year and zero since Nov 17th, its right here in his game log,

Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.

chl.ca

In that time period (since Nov 17th), his linemates Cormier and Hookey have 4 and 3 points, and on the 4th line Crawford has 2 goals.

Please clarify what is negative or incorrect, its all numbers, its black and white?

 

[KFawcett]

I think the thing that frustrates many with Sedley is you can see how good of a player he could be with more attention to detail in the D-zone. He's elite in the O-zone without question. Some minor adjustments in the D-zone with body positioning, boxing out, tying up sticks etc would go along way in rounding out his game. If he's serious about wanting to go pro he needs to work on that part of his game. I don't think it's unfair to point out those issues as they are 100% correctable and he's certainly capable of making the adjustments. A lot of people say he has elite hockey IQ, apply it at both ends of the rink.

I understand his flaws and trust me I get frustrated at times when I know if he worked on them he could be better. Bottom line see Attack Beachers reply I won't repeat it lol.

 

[KFawcett]

Im not sure what you mean? Here's a list of all 2003 drafted players in 2021.

Mason McTavish
Brandt Clarke
Tyler Boucher
Brennan Othmann
Wyatt Johnston
Chase Stillman
Logan Mailloux
Daniil Chayka
Francesco Pinelli
Artem Grushnikov
Sasha Pastujov
Ryan Winterton
Dmitry Kuzmin
Brett Harrison
Josh Bloom
Roman Schmidt
Ethan Del Mastro
Brian Zanetti
Jack Matier
Artem Guryev
Ty Voit
Francesco Arcuri
Matvey Petrov
Ryan Mast

The only one in the league is Schmidt.


There are others like Beck and Romeo who were draft picks but not signed, so are not NHL prospects anymore, just free agents.


I just did the math above? Im lost as well.

Actually Owen Beck is a '04 birth thats why he is at WJ camp as we speak. But that just adds to your point.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Actually Owen Beck is a '04 birth thats why he is at WJ camp as we speak. But that just adds to your point.

He mentioned 2003s, that's why I listed 03s. I only count 1 2003 that is an NHL prospect that is in the OHL.

 

[ktownfan]

Outside of the Windsor game, he has 5 points this year and zero since Nov 17th, its right here in his game log,

Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.

chl.ca

In that time period (since Nov 17th), his linemates Cormier and Hookey have 4 and 3 points, and on the 4th line Crawford has 2 goals.

Please clarify what is negative or incorrect, its all numbers, its black and white?

Looks to me like he has 10 points, not 5 as you stated, black and white

 

[AttackBeacher]

Looks to me like he has 10 points, not 5 as you stated, black and white

Ill say for a 3rd time, take out the Windsor game where everyone scored, he has 5 points. 10 points WITH the Windsor game.

Every other game, including the past 8 or 9, he has had zero points. So why would he get bumped up?

 

[Bear in the Woods]

Im not sure what you mean? Here's a list of all 2003 drafted players in 2021.

Mason McTavish
Brandt Clarke
Tyler Boucher
Brennan Othmann
Wyatt Johnston
Chase Stillman
Logan Mailloux
Daniil Chayka
Francesco Pinelli
Artem Grushnikov
Sasha Pastujov
Ryan Winterton
Dmitry Kuzmin
Brett Harrison
Josh Bloom
Roman Schmidt
Ethan Del Mastro
Brian Zanetti
Jack Matier
Artem Guryev
Ty Voit
Francesco Arcuri
Matvey Petrov
Ryan Mast

The only one in the league is Schmidt.


There are others like Beck and Romeo who were draft picks but not signed, so are not NHL prospects anymore, just free agents.


I just did the math above? Im lost as well.

You are proving my point. Most of those players have already moved on to better hockey. If our player was as good as the 03s on your list, he would not be relegated the O.
And to be clear I think he is good and has the potential....he just needs to pay more attention to his defensive play. As a matter of fact he has the potential to be as good as or better then some you have listed.

 

[AttackBeacher]

You are proving my point. Most of those players have already moved on to better hockey. If our player was as good as the 03s on your list, he would not be relegated the O.
And to be clear I think he is good and has the potential....he just needs to pay more attention to his defensive play. As a matter of fact he has the potential to be as good as or better then some you have listed.

Sorry, didn't you say that most NHL teams keep their 2003s in the OHL before? Im confused.

I stand corrected. He is not a wash.
Most NHL teams are keeping there top tier, 2003 born, prospects in the OHL.

 

[Bear in the Woods]

Sorry, didn't you say that most NHL teams keep their 2003s in the OHL before? Im confused.

Sarcasm......
Sorry, hard to get across in text form.

 

[Millpond]

Im not sure what you mean? Here's a list of all 2003 drafted players in 2021.

Mason McTavish
Brandt Clarke
Tyler Boucher
Brennan Othmann
Wyatt Johnston
Chase Stillman
Logan Mailloux
Daniil Chayka
Francesco Pinelli
Artem Grushnikov
Sasha Pastujov
Ryan Winterton
Dmitry Kuzmin
Brett Harrison
Josh Bloom
Roman Schmidt
Ethan Del Mastro
Brian Zanetti
Jack Matier
Artem Guryev
Ty Voit
Francesco Arcuri
Matvey Petrov
Ryan Mast

The only one in the league is Schmidt.


There are others like Beck and Romeo who were draft picks but not signed, so are not NHL prospects anymore, just free agents.


I just did the math above? Im lost as well.

I believe he was being facetious with his comment.

 

[OHL4Life]

Looks to me like he has 10 points, not 5 as you stated, black and white

charlie settle down,

 

[DCruickshank]

Math can be hard

To quote Taylor " haters going to hate"

 

[ktownfan]

If you take sedley for what he is , a gifted offensive defenseman by postion. He will get you offense. But to pair him with a good solid defensive Dman is the recipe for your success. Kid is talented.

Ill say for a 3rd time, take out the Windsor game where everyone scored, he has 5 points. 10 points WITH the Windsor game.

Every other game, including the past 8 or 9, he has had zero points. So why would he get bumped up?

Didn't know we were picking and choosing which games to count. All I've said is give it a try, What has Nansi done with his ice time on the top line as far as points are concerned. You seem to know better than I , so I will end the arguement. Good luck this week,

 

[AttackBeacher]

Sarcasm......
Sorry, hard to get across in text form.

That makes way more sense now.

 

[AttackBeacher]

If you take sedley for what he is , a gifted offensive defenseman by postion. He will get you offense. But to pair him with a good solid defensive Dman is the recipe for your success. Kid is talented.


Didn't know we were picking and choosing which games to count. All I've said is give it a try, What has Nansi done with his ice time on the top line as far as points are concerned. You seem to know better than I , so I will end the arguement. Good luck this week,

Why was it an argument? I just offered some deeper info on my opinion, you're the only one that turned it into an argument, and I'm not sure why.

I'm not suggesting I'm smarter than anyone, nor should you, but someone who probably has a way better feel for the Attack then either of us is the head coach, who has the team finally going without Barlow and are 8-2 in the past 10. If they, or he, feels that Stewart's ability and talent are fitted for his current role, and its working, why make a change? Its not like Stewart is producing in the last 10 games and they are losing, its the opposite. Nansi actually has more points then Stewart in the past 8 games, but im not sure either should be in the top 6.

Waddick and Hookey, based on abilities, production and style of play are the ones that should be in the top 6 for the time being, but I see both on the third line once Barlow is back and they make a move to add a forward.

 

[Stellar29]

Every player in the OHL has flaws, or they would not be in the OHL. They would be playing pro somewhere. I get that Sedley has flaws, but he's also the distributor on one of if not the best power plays in the OHL. If he was gone and the PP was at 15 in the league, then the complaint would be we dont have a true PP quarterback.

I would think that if Sedley was put up for trade, there would be a lineup of teams looking for him and would give up either current over age defenceman to make it happen. He has flaws, but so does every other player in the OHL. His pluses make him one of the best at what he does, which is truly hard to find.

I don't really understand how being a better defender hurts his ability to QB a PP? Sedley has stated his goal is to play pro and in order to do that he needs to be able to defend. It's fine to be an elite level offensive defenseman at the OHL level if that's all he wants to accomplish with hockey. To go pro, he needs to clean up the 5 on 5 play. Do any pro level teams carry a PP specialist on the blueline?

I'm not advocating for trading Sedley to be clear. Just simply pointing out that there are things he can improve upon. His flaws aren't that he's 5'9" instead of 6'3". He can make the effort to be better at what he needs to improve on, this will require a commitment to the defensive end of the rink. Nobody is advocating to make him into a defensive defenseman. It's possible to be elite offensively and at least serviceable to non-liability status in the D-zone(referring to the pro level). NHL teams can handle a certain amount of risk if the reward is higher than the risk. Sedley improving defensively mitigates the risk in his game.

 

[Millpond]

If you take sedley for what he is , a gifted offensive defenseman by postion. He will get you offense. But to pair him with a good solid defensive Dman is the recipe for your success. Kid is talented.


Didn't know we were picking and choosing which games to count. All I've said is give it a try, What has Nansi done with his ice time on the top line as far as points are concerned. You seem to know better than I , so I will end the arguement. Good luck this week,

To that end he was paired with Taos Jordan on the weekend, who is our best defencive blueliner IMO

 

[AttackBeacher]

I don't really understand how being a better defender hurts his ability to QB a PP? Sedley has stated his goal is to play pro and in order to do that he needs to be able to defend. It's fine to be an elite level offensive defenseman at the OHL level if that's all he wants to accomplish with hockey. To go pro, he needs to clean up the 5 on 5 play. Do any pro level teams carry a PP specialist on the blueline?

I'm not advocating for trading Sedley to be clear. Just simply pointing out that there are things he can improve upon. His flaws aren't that he's 5'9" instead of 6'3". He can make the effort to be better at what he needs to improve on, this will require a commitment to the defensive end of the rink. Nobody is advocating to make him into a defensive defenseman. It's possible to be elite offensively and at least serviceable to non-liability status in the D-zone(referring to the pro level). NHL teams can handle a certain amount of risk if the reward is higher than the risk. Sedley improving defensively mitigates the risk in his game.

I think personally that he is not as bad as others suggest. He plays 25 minutes a night against other teams best and is a plus player, that alone makes him decent enough defensively. He has some offensive brain cramps, but that's what comes with his style. Santino Centorame had the same issues, same people would complain, but with the offense comes the risk. Chirs Bigras may have been the better blend of both, but he was in pro hockey at 20, and players who are more polished are genarally always gone by 20. 20 year olds that are still in the OHL have things to work on, and Sedley its strength and defensive play.

For me I put all the pluses or a player and the minuses of a player in my head, and if the pluses are close to the negatives, and the player is playing 25 minutes a night, thats a problem. Even if its 20 minutes, thats a problem.

With Sedley, the pluses so far outweight the minutes that its worth it. We never complain about his ability to run a powerplay, but always complain about a risky play he makes. Well without the risky play, there is no powerplay QB. He could be more polished, sure, but then he would be in the AHL. All players have faults, anyone who thinks they don't are dreaming, but as long as the pluses are outpacing the minutes by alot, and for me, they are, then the flaws are worth it.

I see other posters on other teams making the same complains about players who play like Sedley, except that they have half the points. With the production comes mistakes, that's just how it goes. He is a live by the sword die by the sword type who lives way more then he dies. He does die from time to time, and needs to work on that, but overall , for me, its worth it.

 

[ktownfan]

charlie settle down,

there he is our favorite ex scout, Charlie

 

[Stellar29]

I think personally that he is not as bad as others suggest. He plays 25 minutes a night against other teams best and is a plus player, that alone makes him decent enough defensively. He has some offensive brain cramps, but that's what comes with his style. Santino Centorame had the same issues, same people would complain, but with the offense comes the risk. Chirs Bigras may have been the better blend of both, but he was in pro hockey at 20, and players who are more polished are genarally always gone by 20. 20 year olds that are still in the OHL have things to work on, and Sedley its strength and defensive play.

For me I put all the pluses or a player and the minuses of a player in my head, and if the pluses are close to the negatives, and the player is playing 25 minutes a night, thats a problem. Even if its 20 minutes, thats a problem.

With Sedley, the pluses so far outweight the minutes that its worth it. We never complain about his ability to run a powerplay, but always complain about a risky play he makes. Well without the risky play, there is no powerplay QB. He could be more polished, sure, but then he would be in the AHL. All players have faults, anyone who thinks they don't are dreaming, but as long as the pluses are outpacing the minutes by alot, and for me, they are, then the flaws are worth it.

I see other posters on other teams making the same complains about players who play like Sedley, except that they have half the points. With the production comes mistakes, that's just how it goes. He is a live by the sword die by the sword type who lives way more then he dies. He does die from time to time, and needs to work on that, but overall , for me, its worth it.

I feel like we're not on the same page in this discussion. Sam Sedley is an elite OHL player, I'm not debating that. Sam Sedley's stated goal is to earn a pro contract which many 20 year olds are able to parlay a strong OA season into an ELC over the years. For him to accomplish his own goal he needs to work on his D-zone play. That's what I'm getting at. He can get away with his flaws at the OHL level but will be exposed at the next level. I love watching guys move on to the next level and finding success. Sam Sedley is certainly capable of doing that but not without putting in the work on his D-zone play. The reality is his time in the league is coming to an end and thus his opportunity to demonstrate to the scouts that he's more than a PP specialist is coming to an end.

 

[OHL4Life]

there he is our favorite ex scout, Charlie

sorry charlie, not an ex anymore

 

[OHL4Life]

To bad he can't play defense and protect our net. It's great he has all those points, but he's also part of the issue with us giving up leads. If he stop been a show boater and the all about me syndrome, I would change my opinion. It's just my opinion

go watch parekh in saginaw, sedley is rod langway compared to him.

 

[ktownfan]

I feel like we're not on the same page in this discussion. Sam Sedley is an elite OHL player, I'm not debating that. Sam Sedley's stated goal is to earn a pro contract which many 20 year olds are able to parlay a strong OA season into an ELC over the years. For him to accomplish his own goal he needs to work on his D-zone play. That's what I'm getting at. He can get away with his flaws at the OHL level but will be exposed at the next level. I love watching guys move on to the next level and finding success. Sam Sedley is certainly capable of doing that but not without putting in the work on his D-zone play. The reality is his time in the league is coming to an end and thus his opportunity to demonstrate to the scouts that he's more than a PP specialist is coming to an end.

I think you guys only have two coaches on the bench and in the first few games when walters was coaching, Rumble ( a former Defenseman) was looking after the D. Teakle is not a Dcoach and maybe this hurst your d a bit. Maybe Degray is looking fore someone better qualified to work with the D. Sedley and the gang would benefit. Sedley is super talented and will sign a pro deal of some sort.

sorry charlie, not an ex anymore

Lets hear it for the newly hired scout,