Owen Sound Attack 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[Stellar29]

Just to add another interesting comment from the DeGray piece, "maybe one from last year's draft", I'm assuming this is in regards to Letourneau which would indicate they are still working on him and it hasn't been ruled out entirely. Dale DeGray is on this week's Attack Rap so hopefully we'll get some additional information out of him. What is clear is in a year or two this roster is going to look drastically different.

“Part of my job is identifying where do we fall short, and you have to address it. We’re not going to get bigger overnight but if you add a few more guys here and there who have experience, and maybe one from last year’s draft, well now it’s not just three guys with size inserted but six guys inserted. That’s a change,” he said.

 

[PensFan101]

Not loving that Addy isn't a sure thing to report. Only silver lining is if he does go NCAA, there's a 13th overall pick next year to help spur a rebuild.

Would love to see Letourneau report. Considering the graduations on this team, and the disappointment from this season, there is going to be opportunity.

 

[Stellar29]

Not loving that Addy isn't a sure thing to report. Only silver lining is if he does go NCAA, there's a 13th overall pick next year to help spur a rebuild.

Would love to see Letourneau report. Considering the graduations on this team, and the disappointment from this season, there is going to be opportunity.

Definitely a risky pick but would certainly profile as a player that can impact the game in a multitude of ways which the team hasn't really had in awhile. It's always concerning hearing a first round pick may not report but there is at least the comp pick the next year if it doesn't happen as you pointed out. Lucas Prud'homme is another physically mature power forward that could potentially fill a similar role without as much upside in the 07 class.

I think beyond the grad situation there could be other roster moves. The talk of needing to be bigger may indicate Lawrence has an edge on a OA spot. A smaller player like Chafe could be a candidate to be moved to make room for some of the recent draft picks. Will have to see what they do with the open import slot but I would think they will be looking for a D with that pick. Could also see some other moves on the blue line to tweak the mix. Smith would appear to be a front runner for a D spot and is interesting to note his birthday being 1/1/07 so he is an older 07.

Also, with no announcement on Coach Walters I have to assume there won't be any changes to the staff going into next season. With some of DeGray's comments about the roster I wonder if there is some acknowledgement about not having a team to play the way Walters wants to. In season 1 under Walters the team was definitely more assertive and played in your face and they didn't have the players to play that way in season 2. They were pushed around a number of nights last season with no real response, even after the deadline. The bigger bodies brought in were mostly 3rd and 4th line players and didn't likely produce the impact they were seeking. Hookey will likely compete for a larger role this season but I would have to imagine they want more of a mix of size within the top 6.

 

[ktownfan]

It is great to get bigger, but if you are going to trap all game, every game size makes no difference.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Definitely a risky pick but would certainly profile as a player that can impact the game in a multitude of ways which the team hasn't really had in awhile. It's always concerning hearing a first round pick may not report but there is at least the comp pick the next year if it doesn't happen as you pointed out. Lucas Prud'homme is another physically mature power forward that could potentially fill a similar role without as much upside in the 07 class.

I think beyond the grad situation there could be other roster moves. The talk of needing to be bigger may indicate Lawrence has an edge on a OA spot. A smaller player like Chafe could be a candidate to be moved to make room for some of the recent draft picks. Will have to see what they do with the open import slot but I would think they will be looking for a D with that pick. Could also see some other moves on the blue line to tweak the mix. Smith would appear to be a front runner for a D spot and is interesting to note his birthday being 1/1/07 so he is an older 07.

Also, with no announcement on Coach Walters I have to assume there won't be any changes to the staff going into next season. With some of DeGray's comments about the roster I wonder if there is some acknowledgement about not having a team to play the way Walters wants to. In season 1 under Walters the team was definitely more assertive and played in your face and they didn't have the players to play that way in season 2. They were pushed around a number of nights last season with no real response, even after the deadline. The bigger bodies brought in were mostly 3rd and 4th line players and didn't likely produce the impact they were seeking. Hookey will likely compete for a larger role this season but I would have to imagine they want more of a mix of size within the top 6.

I think the second half of the season the team was underwater, started with the Chenard/Bryant injuries and every week it seemed like there was another injury or distraction. I have a feeling alot of the second half time was spend manipulating the lineup vs maximizing the lineup.

Its interesting to see the push for stronger players, we all figured it was strategic at the time. I would have to think in addition to Addy, who I would assume would sign, the Attack generally don't take too many flyers, you should see an import defenceman and a trade for a defenceman. The good thing about the injuries is that players like Teresigni and Cormier showed much more and if a trade were to happen, one of them would be going the other way I would think?

Bryant - Goure - Barlow
Petrovski - Guindon - Lawrence
Hookey - Cormier - Teresigni
Brennan - Chafe - Addy

Someone like Leterneau or Langdon would help on the 3rd/4th line centre role to start. Unlike someone like Kitchener and Sarnia, they won't need to trade for alot, they would probably need to just add 1 D and 1 F.

 

[Millpond]

I think the second half of the season the team was underwater, started with the Chenard/Bryant injuries and every week it seemed like there was another injury or distraction. I have a feeling alot of the second half time was spend manipulating the lineup vs maximizing the lineup.

Its interesting to see the push for stronger players, we all figured it was strategic at the time. I would have to think in addition to Addy, who I would assume would sign, the Attack generally don't take too many flyers, you should see an import defenceman and a trade for a defenceman. The good thing about the injuries is that players like Teresigni and Cormier showed much more and if a trade were to happen, one of them would be going the other way I would think?

Bryant - Goure - Barlow
Petrovski - Guindon - Lawrence
Hookey - Cormier - Teresigni
Brennan - Chafe - Addy

Someone like Leterneau or Langdon would help on the 3rd/4th line centre role to start. Unlike someone like Kitchener and Sarnia, they won't need to trade for alot, they would probably need to just add 1 D and 1 F.

You might see 29 in place of 25

 

[AttackBeacher]

You might see 29 in place of 25

Very well could be the case.

 

[Stellar29]

I think the second half of the season the team was underwater, started with the Chenard/Bryant injuries and every week it seemed like there was another injury or distraction. I have a feeling alot of the second half time was spend manipulating the lineup vs maximizing the lineup.

Its interesting to see the push for stronger players, we all figured it was strategic at the time. I would have to think in addition to Addy, who I would assume would sign, the Attack generally don't take too many flyers, you should see an import defenceman and a trade for a defenceman. The good thing about the injuries is that players like Teresigni and Cormier showed much more and if a trade were to happen, one of them would be going the other way I would think?

Bryant - Goure - Barlow
Petrovski - Guindon - Lawrence
Hookey - Cormier - Teresigni
Brennan - Chafe - Addy

Someone like Leterneau or Langdon would help on the 3rd/4th line centre role to start. Unlike someone like Kitchener and Sarnia, they won't need to trade for alot, they would probably need to just add 1 D and 1 F.

I would agree on the Addy pick, they have to have a level of confidence that they can get him to Owen Sound to have made the pick. The D situation will be interesting to follow as we know it needs improvement. Getting a solid import D would alleviate some of the pressure there but certainly a trade upgrade in addition would be welcome. Personally, I would rate Tersigni above Cormier at the moment. Tersigni showed off his playmaking and intelligence last year that showed signs of being a really solid OHL player. I would love to see Cormier come in to camp and grab that third line center job but I don't think that's a lock by any means. If one of them gets traded it would have to be for a big player I would think.

The top six you've put together is really solid. The bottom six will need to be sorted out and Stewart is probably in the line up. If Addy reports and can skate a bit I could see him on the third line with Hookey forming a heavy line. If Cormier is the center on that line he was pretty solid along the boards late last season and they could be a heavy cycle line which has potential to be difficult to contain. Getting Letourneau to commit would really complicate things in a good way. The team struggled to figure out a top 9 to be able to roll lines during the season last year. Having a strong top 9 with a reliable 4th line that can be trusted to take the odd shift will be key in my opinion.

It'll be interesting to see if they go the Carter George route with Matthew Koprowski. He played a game with St Mary's last season. If he has a good camp maybe he's a B card candidate and goes to St Mary's while coming to Owen Sound for practice when available. With the 04 class, it would seem unlikely Votary returns as an OA and having Koprowski somewhat acclimated to back up at 17 to an 18 year George would be ideal.

 

[ktownfan]

I think the second half of the season the team was underwater, started with the Chenard/Bryant injuries and every week it seemed like there was another injury or distraction. I have a feeling alot of the second half time was spend manipulating the lineup vs maximizing the lineup.

Its interesting to see the push for stronger players, we all figured it was strategic at the time. I would have to think in addition to Addy, who I would assume would sign, the Attack generally don't take too many flyers, you should see an import defenceman and a trade for a defenceman. The good thing about the injuries is that players like Teresigni and Cormier showed much more and if a trade were to happen, one of them would be going the other way I would think?

Bryant - Goure - Barlow
Petrovski - Guindon - Lawrence
Hookey - Cormier - Teresigni
Brennan - Chafe - Addy

Someone like Leterneau or Langdon would help on the 3rd/4th line centre role to start. Unlike someone like Kitchener and Sarnia, they won't need to trade for alot, they would probably need to just add 1 D and 1 F.

Did Stewart get traded out of Owen Sound?

 

[AttackBeacher]

Did Stewart get traded out of Owen Sound?

Im shocked you posted about Stewart

 

[AttackBeacher]

I would agree on the Addy pick, they have to have a level of confidence that they can get him to Owen Sound to have made the pick. The D situation will be interesting to follow as we know it needs improvement. Getting a solid import D would alleviate some of the pressure there but certainly a trade upgrade in addition would be welcome. Personally, I would rate Tersigni above Cormier at the moment. Tersigni showed off his playmaking and intelligence last year that showed signs of being a really solid OHL player. I would love to see Cormier come in to camp and grab that third line center job but I don't think that's a lock by any means. If one of them gets traded it would have to be for a big player I would think.

The top six you've put together is really solid. The bottom six will need to be sorted out and Stewart is probably in the line up. If Addy reports and can skate a bit I could see him on the third line with Hookey forming a heavy line. If Cormier is the center on that line he was pretty solid along the boards late last season and they could be a heavy cycle line which has potential to be difficult to contain. Getting Letourneau to commit would really complicate things in a good way. The team struggled to figure out a top 9 to be able to roll lines during the season last year. Having a strong top 9 with a reliable 4th line that can be trusted to take the odd shift will be key in my opinion.

It'll be interesting to see if they go the Carter George route with Matthew Koprowski. He played a game with St Mary's last season. If he has a good camp maybe he's a B card candidate and goes to St Mary's while coming to Owen Sound for practice when available. With the 04 class, it would seem unlikely Votary returns as an OA and having Koprowski somewhat acclimated to back up at 17 to an 18 year George would be ideal.

I think they need to add 1 F to spread out the depth, someone that could play LW or C. From a depth perspective, if they added a LW via trade and 2 D, 1 via trade and 1 via import, all of a sudden they are very, very good.

Trade - Bryant - Barlow
Petrovsky - Guindon - Hookey
Terseigni - Goure - Burroughs
Addy - Cormier - Stewart / Crawford / ?

Import / Trade - Sedley
Import/Trade - Steen
Jordan - Petrovsky
Rogers

 

[Stellar29]

I think they need to add 1 F to spread out the depth, someone that could play LW or C. From a depth perspective, if they added a LW via trade and 2 D, 1 via trade and 1 via import, all of a sudden they are very, very good.

Trade - Bryant - Barlow
Petrovsky - Guindon - Hookey
Terseigni - Goure - Burroughs
Addy - Cormier - Stewart / Crawford / ?

Import / Trade - Sedley
Import/Trade - Steen
Jordan - Petrovsky
Rogers

That makes sense to me. DeGray said prior to the draft they intend to sign three from the 07 class. I have to think it would be 2F and 1D. Obviously Addy is top of the list but I have to think Smith being the highest drafted D and not another taken until the 6th round would be a favorite as well. Crawford and Nansi would be in competition for the other spot I think with an outside shot to Prud'homme.

In the D picture, I wonder if Steen is odd man out. He's struggled with injury the past two seasons and I think late in the year Jordan may have passed him on the depth chart. They traded a decent package of picks for Petrovski so I don't see him moving and Rogers isn't going anywhere. An import pick and a trade upgrade with a Smith signing brings the D to 8 members. Maybe that's the right number? I think the forward situation should see them return to a traditional 12F and 6D mix.

 

[AttackBeacher]

That makes sense to me. DeGray said prior to the draft they intend to sign three from the 07 class. I have to think it would be 2F and 1D. Obviously Addy is top of the list but I have to think Smith being the highest drafted D and not another taken until the 6th round would be a favorite as well. Crawford and Nansi would be in competition for the other spot I think with an outside shot to Prud'homme.

In the D picture, I wonder if Steen is odd man out. He's struggled with injury the past two seasons and I think late in the year Jordan may have passed him on the depth chart. They traded a decent package of picks for Petrovski so I don't see him moving and Rogers isn't going anywhere. An import pick and a trade upgrade with a Smith signing brings the D to 8 members. Maybe that's the right number? I think the forward situation should see them return to a traditional 12F and 6D mix.

I think you'll see 13 and 8 to be honest, every year the team runs through defenceaman. Rogers started the year as 8 and look how much he played.

I would think that Smith and a Luddington, Renaud, Campbell and maybe the U18 pick would all be in the mix for that?

I could see them moving on from Steen and collecting the 2 or 3 picks and putting them towards a higher end 04. Jordan was the most improved player and unsung hero on the back end last year.

 

[Stellar29]

I think you'll see 13 and 8 to be honest, every year the team runs through defenceaman. Rogers started the year as 8 and look how much he played.

I would think that Smith and a Luddington, Renaud, Campbell and maybe the U18 pick would all be in the mix for that?

I could see them moving on from Steen and collecting the 2 or 3 picks and putting them towards a higher end 04. Jordan was the most improved player and unsung hero on the back end last year.

I agree 8D is likely the right number, especially with some of the youth that will likely be part of the team. Probably wouldn't hurt to have 14F, especially with some of the injury issues we've had, they carried 14 last season as a reference point. The D prospect pool isn't super inspiring to be honest. Will have to wait and see if Luddington shows up in camp to even be in consideration. U18 draft would be a good opportunity to try and add someone into the mix though that draft rarely turns out players. I think realistically the most likely scenario is an import pick and a trade for the blueline. We have to wait for camp to see what the internal options will be.

 

[ktownfan]

of course you are, he was omitted, wondered if he was traded or released

 

[AttackBeacher]

I agree 8D is likely the right number, especially with some of the youth that will likely be part of the team. Probably wouldn't hurt to have 14F, especially with some of the injury issues we've had, they carried 14 last season as a reference point. The D prospect pool isn't super inspiring to be honest. Will have to wait and see if Luddington shows up in camp to even be in consideration. U18 draft would be a good opportunity to try and add someone into the mix though that draft rarely turns out players. I think realistically the most likely scenario is an import pick and a trade for the blueline. We have to wait for camp to see what the internal options will be.

Agree the 06s are not that strong, the lost off Leterneau and Langdon hurts. If they can get one of them, the world changes so to speak.

I could see a U18 kid make it, its happened on this team before with LeSage and Wilson. Good thing is that there are very little holes in the lineup at this point, so no real concern about a lack of youth to step into spots that are not there.

 

[Millpond]

I agree 8D is likely the right number, especially with some of the youth that will likely be part of the team. Probably wouldn't hurt to have 14F, especially with some of the injury issues we've had, they carried 14 last season as a reference point. The D prospect pool isn't super inspiring to be honest. Will have to wait and see if Luddington shows up in camp to even be in consideration. U18 draft would be a good opportunity to try and add someone into the mix though that draft rarely turns out players. I think realistically the most likely scenario is an import pick and a trade for the blueline. We have to wait for camp to see what the internal options will be.

The roster won't be 24

of course you are, he was omitted, wondered if he was traded or released

Hes very much part of the mix.

 

[ohloutsider]

of course you are, he was omitted, wondered if he was traded or released

Could not be traded yet. Trade window is closed until June 1st.

 

[Stellar29]

Agree the 06s are not that strong, the lost off Leterneau and Langdon hurts. If they can get one of them, the world changes so to speak.

I could see a U18 kid make it, its happened on this team before with LeSage and Wilson. Good thing is that there are very little holes in the lineup at this point, so no real concern about a lack of youth to step into spots that are not there.

Totally agree. I think the Langdon situation has likely already played out, I don't expect him to be an option. Letourneau is the big unknown. It would be a boon for the team to get him as the rest of the 06 group not signed is a little underwhelming.

Pearson was a U18 pick, from Flint, but definitely a solid player that came out of the U18. I think the Attack have had more results from that draft than other teams but it's a bit of a lottery. It should be interesting to hear DeGray's comments on Attack Rap.

 

[Stellar29]

The roster won't be 24


Hes very much part of the mix.

They carried 9D, 14F and 2G last year. I don't think it's a stretch to start the year with 8D, 14F and 2G. With how banged up the team was at times last year they likely want some injury protection this season. I mean, I'm totally speculating and could be completely off base lol.

 

[AttackBeacher]

Totally agree. I think the Langdon situation has likely already played out, I don't expect him to be an option. Letourneau is the big unknown. It would be a boon for the team to get him as the rest of the 06 group not signed is a little underwhelming.

Pearson was a U18 pick, from Flint, but definitely a solid player that came out of the U18. I think the Attack have had more results from that draft than other teams but it's a bit of a lottery. It should be interesting to hear DeGray's comments on Attack Rap.

I could see a D sneaking in, they haven't drafted alot of options there the past few years. The 12 forwards returning and two top 07s drafted, itll be hard for the 06s to make it.

 

[Stellar29]

I could see a D sneaking in, they haven't drafted alot of options there the past few years. The 12 forwards returning and two top 07s drafted, itll be hard for the 06s to make it.

The one guy I've got some intrigue in is 05 Jonas Schmidt. I don't know if he'll have a camp invite but he seems to be a late bloomer. Former Attack 12th round pick that had a very nice season with Stratford in the GOJHL putting up 23G and 24A in 44 games played.

Luc Warner is a bigger bodied center from the 06 class that maybe overlooked. Doesn't have a lot of counting stats but maybe he's a bottom six fit? Not really a whole lot to get excited about in the 06s.

They drafted a lot of size in the 07 class early but we'll have to wait and see what the skill set looks like to go with it. They took a lot of projectable smaller kids in the later rounds that you may look at down the road. Nansi is the one that stands out to me. He's 6'1" with speed and apparently can play his skill game at speed which isn't all that common. The Attack write up said Prud'homme was the toughest kid in the draft for whatever that means lol. I think there will be a lot of intrigue at camp this season which is always a fun time of year.

 

[DCruickshank]

Latest rumor has the USA dropping vaccine requirement by second week in May.....

 

[KFawcett]

Totally agree. I think the Langdon situation has likely already played out, I don't expect him to be an option. Letourneau is the big unknown. It would be a boon for the team to get him as the rest of the 06 group not signed is a little underwhelming.

Pearson was a U18 pick, from Flint, but definitely a solid player that came out of the U18. I think the Attack have had more results from that draft than other teams but it's a bit of a lottery. It should be interesting to hear DeGray's comments on Attack Rap.

Dale told us at the draft party if the U.S drops the vax requirement at 12pm on whatever date he will be on the phone touching base with the Langdons at 12:05 so I wouldn't say it's played out just yet.

 

[PensFan101]

Managed to catch the last 5 minutes of Attack Rap and to the hosts' credit they did ask Dale about the coaching situation. He said he's got no reason to think they won't all be back (or to that effect), which to me sounded pretty set in stone.

So while I hope to be proven wrong about the coaching staff, it's answers like that, after another mediocre season, that is shifting me pretty firmly towards the fire DeGray crowd (which is admittedly pretty small). But if next season is a similar disaster, it will be time.