Owen Sound Attack 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[ktownfan]

Well that wasn't much of a game for an elimination game. I saw no urgency from the Attack to prolong their season. Basically everyone was invisible,you were as had been the case , physically abused the whole game. Mccue takes out Barlow with a hit and if the bench wasn't screaming at the players on the ice, noone would have fought him. At best, Jordan unwillingly wrestled him.
I didn't see anything from Lawrence, Hookey, Petrovsky. Bryant was invisible and Burroughs looked like he had quit. You sure missed Steen and Sedley,
(another one taken out by Mccue). Votary played ok, but was quite sick. After game 1 he was the reason you made it respectable. Again, I will question why Stewart wasn't on the ice more to combat the physicality? I dii notice he looked like he tried to get Mccue and Sim to fight, but obvoiusly no takers.
Anyway, I think the coach and his 1-3-1 and 1-2-2 traps should be replaced with someone that can use the "prescence" of your arena and have a hard forechecking team like some years in the past.
Thank goodness the injury wasn't to Barlows' head, I think he did what he could this playoffs, Goure now has 0 goals in 11 playoff games. Guindon I think was on many nights your best player, Rodgers showed some improvement and gained some good minutes as this series went on.
Good luck to all the kids and hopefully things get sorted out in Attackland.

 

[OSAfan]

Must be a Sedley fan or billet. I agree it could be a benefit for the team for the odd man rush, but he still needs to get back to position, instead of lagging around behind the play. His ability to get back is horrible. His ability to engage with physical play is none existent. We had other defensemen that played this style in the past and it worked. I can see it helped this team as we sit in 7th spot and 1 game from elimination in play offs.
Sorry I'm not a fan of him or his theatrically BS in warm up or during games. As for the rest of the team, no issues (except the coaches, lol) I've been a fan of this team from day 1, so if I don't like a player, than I 'll say what I want and I really don't care about stats. All the great stats for this team as got them no were this year. I feel sorry for our goalies when our all star Dman is at the other end while they are getting hammered with no coverage.

Not a fan of Sedley or a billet. Not sure why that matters. If Sedley jumps into or leads the rush then he should get back, period. Team approach is also key as well. The forwards are just as responsible for covering when he jumps in as he is to get back. It all depends on the coaches approach and I do not know what that is as I am not in the room. Personally, I love a team game where defense are activating in the offense, forwards are covering, and players are busting it both ways to have the numbers whether going forward or back. Physicality is overrated in my opinion. I like players that manage gap, stay positioned on the defensive side and use their angles. Too many times I see players that get caught out of position overcommitting to make a hit and they miss. Back to Sedley, he needs to bust it back and play the defensive side when his team does not have the puck.

 

[OSAfan]

I would be shocked if they let Dale go, but happily surprised. We will never see success when all he does is strive for mediocrity.

I said this earlier in the year, but we never see this team “go for it”. And thats a problem as most teams have a all-in year every few years at their cores peak. Next year should be ours as it will be Barlows last year.

Pretty sure I heard Dale state in interviews that is not the approach he believes in. He does not believe in mortgaging the future for a year or two. Instead, continue to build the core. I do not expect that to change.

 

[DCruickshank]

Pretty sure I heard Dale state in interviews that is not the approach he believes in. He does not believe in mortgaging the future for a year or two. Instead, continue to build the core. I do not expect that to change.

One has to remember that Dale's approach is ownership approved

 

[Millpond]

I am of the belief a lot of issues contributing to this season's demise ( I call it that because I firmly believed the team would overall improve on last season's 7 game playoff exit ) were rooted in coaching approach with this group, on and off ice .

Despite this, by all accounts, the group of players were very tight and got along very well. I saw nights where they played for themselves, and nights they didn't play for the coach.

I hope that the upper management, and ownership has kept notes all season, and has positioned itself to make the necessary actions in the offseason .

In my over 3 decades of following the franchise, I have never experienced the collective hope , and hopelessness the fan base is feeling simultaneously, today .

We are all waiting , quietly for the team to choose the correct path forward .

 

[DCruickshank]

I am of the belief a lot of issues contributing to this season's demise ( I call it that because I firmly believed the team would overall improve on last season's 7 game playoff exit ) were rooted in coaching approach with this group, on and off ice .

Despite this, by all accounts, the group of players were very tight and got along very well. I saw nights where they played for themselves, and nights they didn't play for the coach.

I hope that the upper management, and ownership has kept notes all season, and has positioned itself to make the necessary actions in the offseason .

In my over 3 decades of following the franchise, I have never experienced the collective hope , and hopelessness the fan base is feeling simultaneously, today .

We are all waiting , quietly for the team to choose the correct path forward .

100% agree.. could not say it better

 

[CatchyTune]

Pretty sure I heard Dale state in interviews that is not the approach he believes in. He does not believe in mortgaging the future for a year or two. Instead, continue to build the core. I do not expect that to change.

So exactly what i thought… commitment to consistently being middle of the pack. Great.

 

[KFawcett]

So exactly what i thought… commitment to consistently being middle of the pack. Great.

I know some will disagree and it's an argument that can't be won or lost and is only my opinion BUT!!!!! Attack won Championship in 2011 in 17-18 when the Habs kept McNiven the Soo sent Raaymakers to London for less than Attack offered because they knew if Attack got a Goalie the West went through the Attack we had a very strong team that many around the league thought would at least win the West. FFWD again to 20-21 the non existant Covid season go back and make a fantasy roster of that team and add in a couple rookies from the Guindon draft and what we could have maybe got from the 2 extra O/A candidates. My opinion and it's only that is that team would have been very competitive. I'm laughing here because I sound like a Leaf fan with all these "what if's" but that's 3 solid years in 12 with NO real down years in there. HMMMMM!!!!!!

 

[leafsrdue]

OAs next year: No fish bowl Goure
Sedley because they love him
New guy on defense unless import draft gets good one

 

[DCruickshank]

OAs next year: No fish bowl Goure
Sedley because they love him
New guy on defense unless import draft gets good one

They won't be shopping for an OA if 3 of our 5 candidates return....

 

[OSAttackFan88]

I know some will disagree and it's an argument that can't be won or lost and is only my opinion BUT!!!!! Attack won Championship in 2011 in 17-18 when the Habs kept McNiven the Soo sent Raaymakers to London for less than Attack offered because they knew if Attack got a Goalie the West went through the Attack we had a very strong team that many around the league thought would at least win the West. FFWD again to 20-21 the non existant Covid season go back and make a fantasy roster of that team and add in a couple rookies from the Guindon draft and what we could have maybe got from the 2 extra O/A candidates. My opinion and it's only that is that team would have been very competitive. I'm laughing here because I sound like a Leaf fan with all these "what if's" but that's 3 solid years in 12 with NO real down years in there. HMMMMM!!!!!!

I’d rather have a top 5 draft pick than get swept in the first round in a series we never had a chance in.. I dunno, seems like the coach lost the room and the guys just didn’t perform to the capabilities.

 

[Hockeytaxidriver]

The season was over when you had a 12 round draft pick playing above all the other D. It’s a shame that the season had to end like this but what did you expect playing his against all the top lines.
And that’s the start…

 

[Section5Petes]

Next year gotta load up and the Petes should have some nice pieces for Owen Sound. Beck, Mayer, McCoy, Smith...

 

[Noofgoof]

Next year gotta load up and the Petes should have some nice pieces for Owen Sound. Beck, Mayer, McCoy, Smith...

Hope they dont mind trading for pucks… lol yes pucks not picks we dont have many picks

 

[bobber]

Hope they dont mind trading for pucks… lol yes pucks not picks we dont have many picks

I see a joke here somewhere but no one gives a Puc......? Kidding Noofgoof. Couldn't help myself.

 

[Stellar29]

Next year gotta load up and the Petes should have some nice pieces for Owen Sound. Beck, Mayer, McCoy, Smith...

I think the Petes would be a good trade partner for D upgrades if the price is right. I think both McCoy and Smith would be good targets as 04s for the right price, but the team could likely only afford one of them. The Attack already have 5 03s projected for next year so Mayer probably doesn't make sense unless they want to blow up the D completely and ship out Sedley. Personally, I think Mayer's size at 6'3" and 200lbs with 48 points would be a pretty attractive player if he defends better than Sedley as the point production fall off between the two isn't huge. Owen Sound doesn't have a lot of trade assets so wouldn't expect a block buster by any means but they definitely have work to do on the blueline.

 

[Stellar29]

I think the Petes would be a good trade partner for D upgrades if the price is right. I think both McCoy and Smith would be good targets as 04s for the right price, but the team could likely only afford one of them. The Attack already have 5 03s projected for next year so Mayer probably doesn't make sense unless they want to blow up the D completely and ship out Sedley. Personally, I think Mayer's size at 6'3" and 200lbs with 48 points would be a pretty attractive player if he defends better than Sedley as the point production fall off between the two isn't huge. Owen Sound doesn't have a lot of trade assets so wouldn't expect a block buster by any means but they definitely have work to do on the blueline.

Kind of talking myself into it a little more here but if you're the Attack and you're looking to shake things up, you could potentially move 3 out of the 5 03s if all five return next year for assets and use that to acquire Mayer and one of McCoy/Smith for close to net neutral assets. Could potentially be a tidy bit of business to improve on the back end and still have some ammo left over for another move if need be down the road.

 

[ktownfan]

Kind of talking myself into it a little more here but if you're the Attack and you're looking to shake things up, you could potentially move 3 out of the 5 03s if all five return next year for assets and use that to acquire Mayer and one of McCoy/Smith for close to net neutral assets. Could potentially be a tidy bit of business to improve on the back end and still have some ammo left over for another move if need be down the road.

This hypothetical is also depending on whether you can get these guys to come to OS. Have to have a team that is competitive first.

 

[leafsrdue]

In 2011 DD was able add 3 solid OAs. So it can be done. Don’t think any of the current OA candidates are at the level of that group.

 

[Stellar29]

This hypothetical is also depending on whether you can get these guys to come to OS. Have to have a team that is competitive first.

I've got zero concern about that. You're trading for them, not trying to recruit and sign them like draft picks. None of them have NHL affiliations or anything else that could theoretically impact them coming to Owen Sound.

Owen Sound projects to be a good team next year(with potential to be elite) and players want to win. I don't think the competitiveness of the team will be an issue for players.

 

[PensFan101]

In 2011 DD was able add 3 solid OAs. So it can be done. Don’t think any of the current OA candidates are at the level of that group.

Hard disagree. If Goure's facial injury doesn't hamper him further, he could be one of the top forwards in the league next year. He was playing himself out of the OHL pre-injury. Even if he stays at his current level, he's at the same production level Mignardi was.

Burroughs has had a much more productive pre OA career than Heelis did, and while Sedley and Stanisz are two totally different types of players, he's an impact defenceman as an OA.

If the Attack want to make a swap at OA, then Burroughs being shifted out for a Stanisz-like OA (not sure who is out there who fits that description), would seem like the way to go. Maybe Sawyer is that guy but his career high in points is 11, and he didn't show much offensive upside this season.

Lawrence I'd move to a rebuilding team in the East where he can be one of their go to offensive players (Oshawa maybe?), and help his case to go pro. Sawyer I'd also move for picks, though depending on the market, there could be a case where Burroughs makes more sense to move to get a better return.

 

[Stellar29]

Hard disagree. If Goure's facial injury doesn't hamper him further, he could be one of the top forwards in the league next year. He was playing himself out of the OHL pre-injury. Even if he stays at his current level, he's at the same production level Mignardi was.

Burroughs has had a much more productive pre OA career than Heelis did, and while Sedley and Stanisz are two totally different types of players, he's an impact defenceman as an OA.

If the Attack want to make a swap at OA, then Burroughs being shifted out for a Stanisz-like OA (not sure who is out there who fits that description), would seem like the way to go. Maybe Sawyer is that guy but his career high in points is 11, and he didn't show much offensive upside this season.

Lawrence I'd move to a rebuilding team in the East where he can be one of their go to offensive players (Oshawa maybe?), and help his case to go pro. Sawyer I'd also move for picks, though depending on the market, there could be a case where Burroughs makes more sense to move to get a better return.

Totally agree. Goure should be one of the top forwards in the league next year. Burroughs is capable of being a productive player. Jury is still out on what a fully healthy season of Lawrence brings but should be a quality player. Sedley should be a top offensive Dman next year. Sawyer is likely the weakest of the 5 03s but still a useful player. They don't have to go out and find an OA player.

I think the biggest decision will come down to Burroughs vs Lawrence. Burroughs likely offers more scoring though struggled mightily this season with inconsistency. He was red hot for awhile and then ice cold for an extended stretch. Lawrence offers size and plays centre which is more of a premium position. Burroughs likely has the inside edge I think.

We'll probably have a better idea of what way they may be leaning post OHL draft/import draft.

 

[ktownfan]

I've got zero concern about that. You're trading for them, not trying to recruit and sign them like draft picks. None of them have NHL affiliations or anything else that could theoretically impact them coming to Owen Sound.

Owen Sound projects to be a good team next year(with potential to be elite) and players want to win. I don't think the competitiveness of the team will be an issue for players.

Mckoy and SMith will both be drafted in june

 

[Stellar29]

 

[CatchyTune]

Chenard will be the Leafs backup tonight lol