Player Discussion Owen Power, D (1st overall, 2021) Calder Finalist

[flashsabre]

Blanked last night against OSU, rematch is on Big10 (if you have it) tonight at 8:00. That's three games without hitting the scoresheet right on the heels of that NHLe-gasm post.

Can’t tell if this is joking.
Power is at Canada’s camp he didn’t play last night.

 

[Chainshot]

Can’t tell if this is joking.
Power is at Canada’s camp he didn’t play last night.

See above - don't have the same amount of time to spend on hockey any more.

 

[Ralonzo]

Well Michigan appears to miss Power quite a bit

 

[Chainshot]

Well Michigan appears to miss Power quite a bit

They are an odd team. All that talent and yet they lean heavily on goaltending and the PP to win. Portillo was off last night and they got railed.

 

[Jim Bob]

Wheeler: Team Canada 2022 world junior selection camp notes, standouts and lineup projection

LHD Owen Power (Buffalo Sabres): Skating with the locks throughout camp, I couldn’t help but notice how Power looked like the more talented player than some of the sport’s best forwards with the puck on his stick in some of the small area games they played. He’s going to be asked to do a lot on this Canadian blue line. I fully expect him to push for 25-30 minutes a night in the games that count. Looks like he’s going to run the top power play, too. He and Wright were taking some reps at the point in practice.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[jc17]

Anyone know if there will be an option to stream the WJC on nhl.com through nhl network?

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Chainshot]

Cool that he's going to be the QB on their first PP unit. He's got that knack for just moving the puck to the open man or laying it on net at the right time, should be a benefit to the Nats, even given all the talent on that unit.

 

[Jim Bob]

Sabres mailbag: What's Owen Power's upside? How much impact will Alex Tuch have? Is Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen up for good?

Hey John. Thank you for doing this. So, if Owen Power becomes a legit top-pair defenseman, does that allow the Sabres to maybe slide Rasmus Dahlin down to the second pair? In my opinion, it may help Dahlin’s performance. — Jim P.

I spent a weekend in Michigan this month watching Power. I’ve purposely been guarding my words. I’ve written so many stories during the past two decades about prospects who never panned out that I didn’t want to overhype another kid who might not reach stardom.

But it’s time to let loose. Power will be the Sabres’ top defenseman — in a hurry. While I didn’t see Dahlin play live in Sweden as a prospect, I can’t imagine he dominated his peers in every phase of the game like Power does. The 6-foot-6 blueliner simply exudes skill, size, control, calm and hockey IQ. He’s continuously noticeable at both ends of the ice, even when he’s not having his best game.

The wise play will be to ease Power into the NHL at the end of this season with second- or third-pair minutes, but it won’t take long before everyone realizes the 19-year-old can handle the toughest jobs. And, yes, that will allow Dahlin to excel in easier matchups.

 

[joshjull]

Sabres mailbag: What's Owen Power's upside? How much impact will Alex Tuch have? Is Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen up for good?

The comment about Dahlin doesn’t really make sense. Power has played in lesser leagues at similar points of development. He should be doing better relative to who he is up against.

Example one being Power is dominating college hockey in his D+1 season. Dahlin was in the NHL in his D+1 season. College hockey is two steps below the NHL (Euro leagues/AHL in between them). No one would realistically expect Dahlin to dominate in the NHL like Power is doing in college.

Dahlin NHLe
Draft year -> 24
D+1 -> 44pts in NHL

Power NHLe
Draft year -> 17
D+ 1 year -> 35



Power may be a better all around player. I haven’t watched him enough. But the comparison to Dahlin doesn’t work the way Vogl thinks it does. Dahlin has been playing in mens leagues since his D-1 season.


EDIT: One thing is certain though. Power and Dahlin on the roster together will help take pressure of them individually.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The comment about Dahlin doesn’t really make sense. Power has played in lesser leagues at similar points of development. He should be doing better relative to who he is up against.

Example one being Power is dominating college hockey in his D+1 season. Dahlin was in the NHL in his D+1 season. College hockey is two steps below the NHL (Euro leagues/AHL in between them). No one would realistically expect Dahlin to dominate in the NHL like Power is doing in college.

Dahlin NHLe
Draft year -> 24
D+1 -> 44pts in NHL

Power NHLe
Draft year -> 17
D+ 1 year -> 35



Power may be a better all around player. I haven’t watched him enough. But the comparison to Dahlin doesn’t work the way Vogl thinks it does. Dahlin has been playing in mens leagues since his D-1 season.


EDIT: One thing is certain though. Power and Dahlin on the roster together will help take pressure of them individually.

Vogl being lazy as usual. If he ends up being right about this, it's luck.

 

[dortt]

Sabres mailbag: What's Owen Power's upside? How much impact will Alex Tuch have? Is Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen up for good?

Exactly what I said should happen. We'll have 2 number 1 defensemen, with Power likely ending up as an elite #1, while we have a solid #1 in Dahlin, able to be the #3

 

[BloFan4Life]

The comment about Dahlin doesn’t really make sense. Power has played in lesser leagues at similar points of development. He should be doing better relative to who he is up against.

Example one being Power is dominating college hockey in his D+1 season. Dahlin was in the NHL in his D+1 season. College hockey is two steps below the NHL (Euro leagues/AHL in between them). No one would realistically expect Dahlin to dominate in the NHL like Power is doing in college.

Dahlin NHLe
Draft year -> 24
D+1 -> 44pts in NHL

Power NHLe
Draft year -> 17
D+ 1 year -> 35



Power may be a better all around player. I haven’t watched him enough. But the comparison to Dahlin doesn’t work the way Vogl thinks it does. Dahlin has been playing in mens leagues since his D-1 season.


EDIT: One thing is certain though. Power and Dahlin on the roster together will help take pressure of them individually.

Why are you comparing apples to oranges?

No one cares about a players age, its honestly irrelevant. I wish people would stop pointing out Dahlin's age. All he was talking about was before the players got into the NHL. Dahlin had a MAJOR advantage playing on a bigger ice service. It allowed him to exaggerate his strengths.

Like do you little comparison with Dahlin to Makar, Hughes, and Fox.

 

[Chainshot]

Why are you comparing apples to oranges?

No one cares about a players age, its honestly irrelevant. I wish people would stop pointing out Dahlin's age. All he was talking about was before the players got into the NHL. Dahlin had a MAJOR advantage playing on a bigger ice service. It allowed him to exaggerate his strengths.

Like do you little comparison with Dahlin to Makar, Hughes, and Fox.

Makar, Hughes and Fox were also playing in the NCAA - it's a valid point that he made to look at the relative strength of the development league. Yes, there is an ice dimension difference for SHL games... and there is also that at say UM where the Gophers play on an Olympic sized sheet too. Does that discount someone who plays there like say Johnson? Not particularly. And the point remains that in his D+1 year, Dahlin was putting up more than half a point per game (and about 1.5 points per 60 minutes of icetime) while Power is putting up his in a league 2 steps lower.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Man just pair these guys together and let 'em loose.

 

[dortt]

Man just pair these guys together and let 'em loose.

I'd rather they anchor separate pairings and play together on the PP. That way, one of the two can be on the ice 40 out of the 60 minutes

 

[Chainshot]

I'd rather they anchor separate pairings and play together on the PP. That way, one of the two can be on the ice 40 out of the 60 minutes

They seem kind of redundant on the PP together. It'll be interesting to see which of them gets the PP1 and which winds up on PP2.

 

[dortt]

They seem kind of redundant on the PP together. It'll be interesting to see which of them gets the PP1 and which winds up on PP2.

I was hoping we could have a pair of dominant point men like STL had in the late 1990s with Pronger and McInnis

 

[Chainshot]

I was hoping we could have a pair of dominant point men like STL had in the late 1990s with Pronger and McInnis

Neither of them is the shooting option MacInnis was.

(And if we're getting wild, they could always go with the high umbrella, 3-D set that Calgary did with Suter, Reinhart and MacInnis in the late '80's.)

 

[jc17]

Why are you comparing apples to oranges?

No one cares about a players age, its honestly irrelevant. I wish people would stop pointing out Dahlin's age. All he was talking about was before the players got into the NHL. Dahlin had a MAJOR advantage playing on a bigger ice service. It allowed him to exaggerate his strengths.

Like do you little comparison with Dahlin to Makar, Hughes, and Fox.

You think Dahlin should have been as dominant against SHLers as a 17 year old, as Power is against college athletes as an 18 year old?

 

[UnleashRasmus]

The comment about Dahlin doesn’t really make sense. Power has played in lesser leagues at similar points of development. He should be doing better relative to who he is up against.

Example one being Power is dominating college hockey in his D+1 season. Dahlin was in the NHL in his D+1 season. College hockey is two steps below the NHL (Euro leagues/AHL in between them). No one would realistically expect Dahlin to dominate in the NHL like Power is doing in college.

Dahlin NHLe
Draft year -> 24
D+1 -> 44pts in NHL

Power NHLe
Draft year -> 17
D+ 1 year -> 35



Power may be a better all around player. I haven’t watched him enough. But the comparison to Dahlin doesn’t work the way Vogl thinks it does. Dahlin has been playing in mens leagues since his D-1 season.


EDIT: One thing is certain though. Power and Dahlin on the roster together will help take pressure of them individually.

Thanks for the state pack, I will say that there is never a problem in having too much quality defensive play from the back. Regardless of the minutes, situational minutes and match up's you're looking at a stacked left side. Dahlin, Power, Bryson instantly puts a long tier look at the next 3-4 years. Not to mention Samuelsson, and Johnson. It allows you to bridge and mix and match. As Dahlin, can play the right side you have a mix of Dahlin, Pysyk and Jokiharju down that side. With cap space, there is no reason to not drool over the possibilities. Power looks the part, and I'm glad to be proven wrong. While you can never not need a legitimate #1 center. The same can be said about having the potential franchise changing defensemen. Add in Dahlin who is only about to turn 22, and I'm good there. Add in the possibility of a Savoie, Jurov, Wright, Cooley, Geekie, Nemec, Jiricek and you're getting closer and closer to the right pieces. Not to mention 2 other first round picks. Along with the possibility of acquiring pieces at the deadline for spare parts.

 

[dortt]

Thanks for the state pack, I will say that there is never a problem in having too much quality defensive play from the back. Regardless of the minutes, situational minutes and match up's you're looking at a stacked left side. Dahlin, Power, Bryson instantly puts a long tier look at the next 3-4 years. Not to mention Samuelsson, and Johnson. It allows you to bridge and mix and match. As Dahlin, can play the right side you have a mix of Dahlin, Pysyk and Jokiharju down that side. With cap space, there is no reason to not drool over the possibilities. Power looks the part, and I'm glad to be proven wrong. While you can never not need a legitimate #1 center. The same can be said about having the potential franchise changing defensemen. Add in Dahlin who is only about to turn 22, and I'm good there. Add in the possibility of a Savoie, Jurov, Wright, Cooley, Geekie, Nemec, Jiricek and you're getting closer and closer to the right pieces. Not to mention 2 other first round picks. Along with the possibility of acquiring pieces at the deadline for spare parts.

With he defensive depth we have acquired, we can focus a couple of drafts on forward, as that is where our need is. We are in a place to draft based upon need

 

[joshjull]

Why are you comparing apples to oranges?

No one cares about a players age, its honestly irrelevant. I wish people would stop pointing out Dahlin's age. All he was talking about was before the players got into the NHL. Dahlin had a MAJOR advantage playing on a bigger ice service. It allowed him to exaggerate his strengths.

Like do you little comparison with Dahlin to Makar, Hughes, and Fox.

You missed the point entirely. I’m not talking about Dahlin vs Power and who will be better. I have no idea who will be better. I’m criticizing Vogl’s comments.

These comments………

……… While I didn’t see Dahlin play live in Sweden as a prospect, I can’t imagine he dominated his peers in every phase of the game like Power does.

Vogl is comparing Dahlin in Sweden to Power this year. That would be comparing Dahlin’s seasons BEFORE he got drafted to Power’s season AFTER he got drafted. Now that is actually comparing apples to oranges.

An apples to apples comparison would be comparing their respective first years after getting drafted. Which would be Dahlin in the NHL and Power in the NCAA this year. That puts the comparison in a very different light. Vogl should know better.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

The comment about Dahlin doesn’t really make sense. Power has played in lesser leagues at similar points of development. He should be doing better relative to who he is up against.

Example one being Power is dominating college hockey in his D+1 season. Dahlin was in the NHL in his D+1 season. College hockey is two steps below the NHL (Euro leagues/AHL in between them). No one would realistically expect Dahlin to dominate in the NHL like Power is doing in college.

Dahlin NHLe
Draft year -> 24
D+1 -> 44pts in NHL

Power NHLe
Draft year -> 17
D+ 1 year -> 35



Power may be a better all around player. I haven’t watched him enough. But the comparison to Dahlin doesn’t work the way Vogl thinks it does. Dahlin has been playing in mens leagues since his D-1 season.


EDIT: One thing is certain though. Power and Dahlin on the roster together will help take pressure of them individually.

Dahlin has been playing in a men's league since he was 15.