Yes. It's absolute crap. Gorton may have come for the money and not care about winning a Cup. Hughes didn't need the money . He only took the job to return the Habs to prominence.
Prospect Info: Owen Beck
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ChesterNimitz
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Dickinson looked very strong tonight. He played a very controlled game and showed some excellent acceleration and offensive vision. He will be high draft choice this year. It would not shock me if one team looking for stability on the blue line takes this fine defenceman in the top 5. Even top 3. Dickinon skates well, plays a physical, smothering style of defence, has excellent on-ice vision and possesses an NHL level shot. This is a great draft with many excellent options available: Lindstrom, Dickinson, Buium, Iginla, Catton, Demidov, etc. We're going to get one of them. No matter who we select, that player will immediately become our best prospect not named Hutson. I can live with any of them.
As for Beck, he played a strong game for the Spirit, scoring one goal and earning an assist. Beck was able to create multiple scoring chances off the rush and just missed the net on several laser like wrist shots from long range. The goalie didn't even move on the shots. This kid will score a lot of goals at the next level using that elite wrist shot. Beck played in all game situations and, most importantly, was on Saginaw's first power play unit, manning the half boards on the left wing. Beck is an excellent passer who sees the ice well and has explosive straight forward speed. I have no doubt that he will have an impactful NHL career. Which career may start as early as next fall.
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Your correct. The fact that it's an enterprise that is largely exempt from anti-trust/combine/competition legislation in North America makes it so. But I don't think many of us would enjoy a pure, free market system which would see the best talent coagulate in a few larger media markets. Nor would many of the players, who would lose their high paying jobs as most smaller market teams would inevitably fail.
Though the system has its failings, it largely works and the game has grown in an undecidedly and protected non-free-market system.
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You know something we don't? Because left shot D Hughes stayed may times we not selecting
This doesn't make any sense. What you are calling a "passive approach" is costing Molson more money out of pocket. Weber's cap hit is 7.857 and his real salary was 3M for 22-23, and then three years at 1M (so 6M in real dollars over 4 years). They traded him to Vegas to clear the contract for the long term and take back Dadonov for 1 year at a $5M cap hit and $6.5 million in real salary. They took Monahan's 6M contract as a salary dump from Calgary using Price's LTIR money to get a 1st round pick. They gave Suzuki and Caufield front loaded contracts that pay them each 10 million in real dollars (9.975M for Caufield) in each of the first 3 years. They gave Primeau a 3 year one-way contract so that he would clear waivers last season because other teams wouldn't want to pay him a full NHL salary. These actions do not in any way support the idea that the team is trying to save Molson money.
Over the past 2-3 years the Habs have been deliberately spending real dollars at a rate similar to contending teams like Vegas and the Rangers even though we're currently rebuilding. They're doing this during tanking years to bring in futures and to improve our long-term cap outlook in the Weber/Dadonov case. Why exactly would Molson be willing to pay out 90-100M in real salary against an 82.5M cap during tanking seasons with no playoff revenue and then suddenly decide that he wants to pinch pennies when the team could be in playoff contention and pulling in huge wads of cash for every home playoff game?
I don't understand why you'd ask what the financial incentive is to build a competitive team. Do you understand that it's a hard cap league and players don't receive salaries in the playoffs? The team is already spending as if we're a playoff team during deliberate tanking seasons, why would Molson suddenly decide that he wants to start pinching pennies when he could just continue spending the exact same amount of money as he's doing right now while we're tanking and earn an additional 5-7 million in revenue for each playoff home game?
EDIT: Oh yeah he also let the new FO fire Ducharme 45 games into a 3-year contract to give St. Louis almost 2x as much money during a rebuild while significantly expanding hockey ops & the player development staff. I'm not a huge Molson fan but spending has absolutely not been an issue for this team.
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I do not like his playmaking abilities.
He's also a puck-hog. I have question about his hockey sense.
He's skating around hey look at me mom! with the puck and dosen't develop play enough. Hesitant.
They should morph him dragon ball Z style with Mesar to create 1 excellent sure-fire top6 players.
Many of his weakness are Mesar strong-point somehow.
He's also a puck-hog. I have question about his hockey sense.
He's skating around hey look at me mom! with the puck and dosen't develop play enough. Hesitant.
They should morph him dragon ball Z style with Mesar to create 1 excellent sure-fire top6 players.
Many of his weakness are Mesar strong-point somehow.
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The only reason for expansion is to line the owners pockets. If winning was a priority less teams means a greater chance of winning.
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ChesterNimitz
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Less teams means fewer marketplaces / exposure for their product and less resulting revenue from national media sources. Who wants to pay major money for broadcast rights for a six team league?
HuGort
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Isn't it spring there? lolHope you are having a great summer so far
Would it be possible to stay on topic , please ?
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2 goals in the first period. Both were absolute snipes. This guy is always showing up in big games.
Yup, Beck will be 20.5 at training camp. He is looking good overall, well rounded, and cocky. I'm thinking he will get a long look at training camp, and I look forward to seeing what he looks like against NHL players. Given how many Cs we have committed to contracts, I could see us sending him to the AHL for 1 year to get experience against bigger faster players, and then give him a bit more time to develop so he can be a solid 3rd line C with the ability to move up to 2nd given his FO% is epic.
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Owen Beck is now a Memorial Cup Champion.
He had 2 goals and he was 19 out of 24 on face-offs in the finals.
Edit: Owen Beck was just named MVP of the Memorial Cup.
He had 2 goals and he was 19 out of 24 on face-offs in the finals.
Edit: Owen Beck was just named MVP of the Memorial Cup.
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Team_Spirit
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So who wants to denigrate this player now. Beck was awesome in the Memorial Cup.
It was evident he was banged up in the conference final the rest made all the difference in the world.
It was evident he was banged up in the conference final the rest made all the difference in the world.
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Owen Beck will be a 20-25g, 20-25a, 50 pts type of guy in NHL. No doubt.
He is really really good!
He is really really good!
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Chances are he's making the team out of camp. For example, Xhekaj and Suzuki's respective runs really accelerated their development.
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Keep that pest/agitator side of you game, every night kid. Be a Bennet type of attitude.
I remember talking about what we hoped to see from Beck in the post season.
He obviously didn't put up Suzuki like numbers but he did play very much as expected over-all.
All in all a fine season the one bummer was the bad Team Canada squad but his line wasn't at fault at all in that one.
It's a good thing he was able to get his gold the year before on a call up.
Our development group said all along they think Beck will be pushing very hard to force some hands in 2024/25.
I never doubted them.
He obviously didn't put up Suzuki like numbers but he did play very much as expected over-all.
All in all a fine season the one bummer was the bad Team Canada squad but his line wasn't at fault at all in that one.
It's a good thing he was able to get his gold the year before on a call up.
Our development group said all along they think Beck will be pushing very hard to force some hands in 2024/25.
I never doubted them.
With all the due respect, I wish that GM will be pumped like that after a MVP title. For me, he smells a lot like Ryan White. His trade value is on top right now.
