Prospect Info: Owen Beck

dcyhabs

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At least Beck is likely to be appreciated. Danault didn't get much respect from his GM in his later seasons. I suppose forming a great regular season line with Tatar was a bit hard to take? It's not like his production massively took off in LA, either, even with all the talk that he'd get second line minutes and score more. His usage in the cup run was really skewed toward D, and he hardly scored, but it worked out, or maybe he just couldn't score without Tatar on his wing.

We'll see if Beck is more willing to accept third line defensive minutes.
 

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At least Beck is likely to be appreciated. Danault didn't get much respect from his GM in his later seasons. I suppose forming a great regular season line with Tatar was a bit hard to take? It's not like his production massively took off in LA, either, even with all the talk that he'd get second line minutes and score more. His usage in the cup run was really skewed toward D, and he hardly scored, but it worked out, or maybe he just couldn't score without Tatar on his wing.

We'll see if Beck is more willing to accept third line defensive minutes.
Who else did you want on Danault's wing those years? Tatar did very well while he was here! 2nd and 1st point producer on the team his 2 first years!

Was he a superstar? No... But he's what he is, and he played great here. Their line with Gallagher was more two-way than pure offense, but was a top line in the league, overall.
 
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It never had to do with where he was drafted ;)

Anyways, all that to say is that it's too early to predict if Owen Beck can put up Phil Danault type numbers one day!

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If they built the team the right way, Beck will never get close of the offensive numbers of Danault because how they will use him, 3rd line + PK + Faceoff Specialist, unless an injury. He can't do 50 even strength points in a year and not because he will not be effective but simply not the role to achieve that kind of numbers! If he can establish himself as a good two way 3rd line center with a high % percentage of faceoff, he will help us to compete in the right time and his offensive numbers will become "secondary"!
 

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If they built the team the right way, Beck will never get close of the offensive numbers of Danault because how they will use him, 3rd line + PK + Faceoff Specialist, unless an injury. He can't do 50 even strength points in a year and not because he will not be effective but simply not the role to achieve that kind of numbers! If he can establish himself as a good two way 3rd line center with a high % percentage of faceoff, he will help us to compete in the right time and his offensive numbers will become "secondary"!
I wonder if posters actually watch Beck play or if they are simply parroting the assumed or generally accepted strengths and future roles of this young player.

Beck has much more offensive potential and inclination than what I often read here. He is one of the few players who can shoot off the rush and overpower goalies. When he plays on the Saginaw power play he plays the half wall and is a veritable shooting machine as Parekh looks to him for his excellent one-timer.

The fact that he can also play an effective defensive role, does not preclude him from being a productive, speedy offensive player.

People should stop pigeonholing this player and see Beck for what he is: a strong, all round center who projects as having the potential to produce at the next level.

The fact is, in one of those always instructive re-draft exercises, Beck’s skill set, compete level and leadership abilities would see him being taken much higher than at the top of the second round.

Whatever role he plays, Beck will be core player for this team for the next decade.

Great pick.
 
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The fact is, in a re-draft, Beck’s skill set, compete level and leadership abilities would see him being taken much higher than at the top of the second round.
I expecting him to go in the second half of the 1st round. I still don't get how he fell to the 2nd round.
 

ChesterNimitz

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I expecting him to go in the second half of the 1st round. I still don't get how he fell to the 2nd round.
In my position, I often interact with professional, university and junior level scouts/ evaluators. After speaking to them you quickly come to the understanding why mistakes in the drafting process are made. The takes I read here are often more insightful than what I hear from these supposedly professional evaluators.
 
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yianik

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At least Beck is likely to be appreciated. Danault didn't get much respect from his GM in his later seasons. I suppose forming a great regular season line with Tatar was a bit hard to take? It's not like his production massively took off in LA, either, even with all the talk that he'd get second line minutes and score more. His usage in the cup run was really skewed toward D, and he hardly scored, but it worked out, or maybe he just couldn't score without Tatar on his wing.

We'll see if Beck is more willing to accept third line defensive minutes.
Lol. Beck will accept playing on the bottom pair on D if it means getting to the NHL.
 

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I wonder if posters actually watch Beck play or if they are simply parroting the assumed or generally accepted strengths and future roles of this young player.

Beck has much more offensive potential and inclination than what I often read here. He is one of the few players who can shoot off the rush and overpower goalies. When he plays on the Saginaw power play he plays the half wall and is a veritable shooting machine as Parekh looks to him for his excellent one-timer.

The fact that he can also play an effective defensive role, does not preclude him from being a productive, speedy offensive player.

People should stop pigeonholing this player and see Beck for what he is: a strong, all round center who projects as having the potential to produce at the next level.

The fact is, in one of those always instructive re-draft exercises, Beck’s skill set, compete level and leadership abilities would see him being taken much higher than at the top of the second round.

Whatever role he plays, Beck will be core player for this team for the next decade.

Great pick.

Funny enough, there were a bunch of people that were upset that we didn't pick Del Bel Belluz or Firkus, but I see Beck as being a better prospect than both.
 

FrankMTL

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I think that was our resident expert who said Slaf had 0 IQ and would feel more comfortable with Matthew Wood.

Agreed.

And all that to say that DBB and Firkus are good prospects too (Firkus is have a great year in the WHL), but Beck has more pro tools than both.
 
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Agreed.

And all that to say that DBB and Firkus are good prospects too (Firkus is have a great year in the WHL), but Beck has more pro tools than both.

I like Firkus a lot but once you take Mesar and Beck is available, you have to go for Beck. The smarts and tools are there to solidify your 3C spot.
 
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dcyhabs

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Who else did you want on Danault's wing those years? Tatar did very well while he was here! 2nd and 1st point producer on the team his 2 first years!

Was he a superstar? No... But he's what he is, and he played great here. Their line with Gallagher was more two-way than pure offense, but was a top line in the league, overall.
I'm happy with Tatar. The habs sat him out of the playoffs completely after a dominant regular season.
 

FrankMTL

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There will always be a prominent ‘the sky is falling’ segment among every fan base in every sport.

I’ve learned to just ignore them. Use your own eyes to make a judgment.

That's the issue. Most fans just stat watch and react emotionally based off that, good or bad. I get that most fans can't watch these prospects play, but we have one of largest fan bases on HFBoards with a ton of good posters who actually take the time to watch some of these prospects play on a consistent basis. Take their word for it instead of seeing how many goals or assists were scored.
 

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That's the issue. Most fans just stat watch and react emotionally based off that, good or bad. I get that most fans can't watch these prospects play, but we have one of largest fan bases on HFBoards with a ton of good posters who actually take the time to watch some of these prospects play on a consistent basis. Take their word for it instead of seeing how many goals or assists were scored.
The problem is that just because a poster watches a prospect doesn't mean they are going to be good at evaluating them. Plenty of us have bad takes all the time so I'm not sure just taking the word of some random poster is all that better.

With time you can start to identify which posters have evaluations you can trust.
 

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With time you can start to identify which posters have evaluations you can trust.
My favorite 4th liner of the last 30 years is Kostopoulos so you can trust me bro.

As far as scouting prowess of HF posters I have it at a 97% reactionary hot take and 3% accuracy. No idea how or why I made that add up.

Beck I have no idea. Hopefully less vanilla than some of the bottom 6 we pay to watch these days. I’d t take Evan skillset if he could score 10-15 I imagine. Not sure if comparable.
 
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FrankMTL

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The problem is that just because a poster watches a prospect doesn't mean they are going to be good at evaluating them. Plenty of us have bad takes all the time so I'm not sure just taking the word of some random poster is all that better.

With time you can start to identify which posters have evaluations you can trust.

I'm not saying take it as gospel truth, but I would consider their opinion more than somebody who simply stat watches.
 
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At least Beck is likely to be appreciated. Danault didn't get much respect from his GM in his later seasons. I suppose forming a great regular season line with Tatar was a bit hard to take? It's not like his production massively took off in LA, either, even with all the talk that he'd get second line minutes and score more. His usage in the cup run was really skewed toward D, and he hardly scored, but it worked out, or maybe he just couldn't score without Tatar on his wing.

We'll see if Beck is more willing to accept third line defensive minutes.
Danault put up 27 goals in his first year in LA when they used him offensively and on the PP. he was always somewhat underrated offensively because of his defensive prowess.

With HUGos vison of development, I see Beck reaching Danault offense no problem. With a little luck, comparable defensively
 

ChesterNimitz

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I expecting him to go in the second half of the 1st round. I still don't get how he fell to the 2nd round.
At the draft I understand that there were a number of Montreal scouts who were banging the table hard for the Canadiens to take Beck at 26 OA. The fact that Beck was still available at 33 was a most fortuitous occurrence for this talent challenged franchise.

Napoleon once said ‘I would rather have lucky generals than good ones.’ It would appear that such a sentiment also applies to hockey general managers.

Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
 
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Scotianhab

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Beck spending the year in Laval is not a bad thing. No need to rush prospects if we don’t have too.
Beck, Mesar, Tuch, Hutson, maybe Kapanen should all be in Laval developing next year.
 
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