Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[1909]

Even 30-35 points at ES will require decent scoring wingers for the third line

One season at AHL level while Dvorak is finishing his contract next season with the Habs.

 

[FrankMTL]

I would love for Beck to become Danault but I don't currently see offensive IQ to be a 50-60pt player in the NHL yet. Still young and could develop the skills needed though. I think he's a lock for 30-35pts centering the third line and playing key defensive minutes.

Philip Danault didn't even have "Philip Danault IQ" in juniors and in his first few years in the AHL. He didn't put it together till he was 23 or 24.

Phil Danault's junior numbers and AHL numbers really aren't very impressive.

 

[Habs13]

Philip Danault didn't even have "Philip Danault IQ" in juniors and in his first few years in the AHL. He didn't put it together till he was 23 or 24.

Phil Danault's junior numbers and AHL numbers really aren't very impressive.

His Habs stats aren't exactly ground shaking either... he wasn't there to score points so much as he was to shut down the other team and keep their points off the score board.

 

[1909]

Philip Danault didn't even have "Philip Danault IQ" in juniors and in his first few years in the AHL. He didn't put it together till he was 23 or 24.

Phil Danault's junior numbers and AHL numbers really aren't very impressive.

Danault was not bad at all at junior level.

His last season, 2012-13, he got 85 points in 56 games, and the seasons before, 71 points in 62 games + 67 in 64 games.

Carbonneau who got two seasons over 140 points at junior level, and some impressive stats at AHL level, has accepted to cut on his offensive side and became one of the most succesful third line center in the league defensively and on faceoffs.

 

[FrankMTL]

Danault was not bad at all at junior level.

His last season, 2012-13, he got 85 points in 56 games, and the seasons before, 71 points in 62 games + 67 in 64 games.

Yes, and Owen Beck has 28 goals and 58 points in 42 games.

My comment has more to with the fact that Danault's stats were not necessarily better at the same age. Danault never scored more than 23 goals in any season of his junior career...

 

[1909]

Yes, and Owen Beck has 28 goals and 58 points in 42 games.

My comment has more to with the fact that Danault's stats were not necessarily better at the same age. Danault never scored more than 23 goals in any season of his junior career...

You talked about "numbers" , not goals.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Danault was not bad at all at junior level.

His last season, 2012-13, he got 85 points in 56 games, and the seasons before, 71 points in 62 games + 67 in 64 games.

Carbonneau who got two seasons over 140 points at junior level, and some impressive stats at AHL level, has accepted to cut on his offensive side and became one of the most succesful third line center in the league defensively and on faceoffs.

Not taking anything away from Carbs but the Q in those days was the third best jr. league in the country and defence was definitely not a priority.
Guy was a brilliant hockey player & a HHOF’r, if Beck can be anything close we’ve got a winner.

Just like I think Xhekaj & Mailloux will work together I see Beck & Roy as perfect line mates.

 

[FrankMTL]

You talked about "numbers" , not goals.

His numbers for the "Q" are nothing special either...Regardless, he wasn't exactly tearing up the league. It would be hard to predict that Danault would be doing what he is right now at the age of 22 or 23, let alone when he was a junior player. Therefore, it's pretty early to say that Beck doesn't seem to have the "Offensive IQ" and "Skills" to do what Danault is doing right now.

 

[1909]

His numbers for the "Q" are nothing special either...Regardless, he wasn't exactly tearing up the league. It would be hard to predict that Danault would be doing what he is right now at the age of 22 or 23, let alone when he was a junior player. Therefore, it's pretty early to say that Beck doesn't seem to have the "Offensive IQ" and "Skills" to do what Danault is doing right now.

Of course. But never forget that Danault was a (late) 1st ound pick by Chicago. Very good for that type of centerman.

 

[FrankMTL]

Of course. But never forget that Danault was a (late) 1st ound pick by Chicago. Very good for that type of centerman.

It never had to do with where he was drafted

Anyways, all that to say is that it's too early to predict if Owen Beck can put up Phil Danault type numbers one day!

Cheers

 

[Ozmodiar]

Therefore, it's pretty early to say that Beck doesn't seem to have the "Offensive IQ" and "Skills" to do what Danault is doing right now.

Exactly. He’s still a prospect and he’s clearly getting better, developing his skills. Puck handling has been a focus for him, in particular.

 

[HuGort]

If Beck been in Saginaw all season he would have impressive numbers

 

[windycity]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

 

[Redux91]

If Beck been in Saginaw all season he would have impressive numbers

His numbers are impressive regardless

 

[yianik]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

And you can get away with that as a tweener or 3rd line guy. A guy who can skate pretty well, carry the puck okay , have a decent pass and shot, and has energy, can play a north - south meat and potatoes game and put up some points. Has to be good defensively. This is Danault. And how is Beck not at least this ?

 

[HuGort]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

Half a point per game average I wouldn't call him Gretzky.

Looking at his numbers in minors and first year for Black Hawks, Danault shouldn't have made it. Great job by Bergevin to discover his talent.

 

[FrankMTL]

It would be great for Beck to finish with 40 goals this season. He has the potential to be a 20-25 goal scorer in the NHL

 

[LaP]

Philip Danault didn't even have "Philip Danault IQ" in juniors and in his first few years in the AHL. He didn't put it together till he was 23 or 24.

Phil Danault's junior numbers and AHL numbers really aren't very impressive.

He was way behind Joshua Roy at everything at the same age. It was not even close in favor of Roy,

 

[LaP]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

The biggest knock against him was usage. He was at time used as a 1st line center centering Patch and Radulov and he's not a 1st line center.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

IQ is IQ and is applicable on both sides of the ice as the exact same pattern recognition is required. The difference is the level of skill required to make plays in the offensive zone as opposed to making plays in the defensive zone. Danault has always had great IQ but his puck skill needed work and took time to improve it enough to be a legitimate top six center at the NHL level.

 

[Don D]

He was way behind Joshua Roy at everything at the same age. It was not even close in favor of Roy,

Maybe offensively, but Danault was superior defensively at the same age. Scouting report on danault while in junior: Phillip Danault isn’t the type of winger who will impress people with his raw skills, but will rather rely on speed and intense play to make people turn their heads. He loves to play a physical game as he finished first among rookies in the QMJHL for hits in 2009-2010 as a sixteen year old player. He also loves to cut to the net using his speed and his body to protect the puck.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I would love for Beck to become Danault but I don't currently see offensive IQ to be a 50-60pt player in the NHL yet. Still young and could develop the skills needed though. I think he's a lock for 30-35pts centering the third line and playing key defensive minutes.

Dannault was given first line minutes. That normally wouldn’t happen and it won’t happen with Beck.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I may be misremembering but the biggest knock on Danault I recall when he was here was that his offensive IQ was not great.

Danault was always a very smart player on the ice, both offensively and defensively, the knock on him was he lacked top six offensive skill. His passing abilities weren't anything special and his shot was never a threat.

However he always worked his ass off, knew where to be and did lots of little things well which has allowed him to be productive offensively.

 

[26Mats]

It would be great for Beck to finish with 40 goals this season. He has the potential to be a 20-25 goal scorer in the NHL

I hope he can be a Danault/Chandler Stephenson type of player. Where his offensive production his primarily generated by his ability to wheel around all 200 feet of the ice faster and better than others. If you can get to pucks faster and better than others, and log them up the ice faster and better than others, you can put the team, and yourself, in more offensive situations to potentially score in.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I would love for Beck to become Danault but I don't currently see offensive IQ to be a 50-60pt player in the NHL yet. Still young and could develop the skills needed though. I think he's a lock for 30-35pts centering the third line and playing key defensive minutes.

He has the IQ. Unfortunately, like Danault/ Couturier etc, he paid the price for being smart on the ice- pigeon holed as the all round shut down guy. Look at now that he’s is Saginaw and they have others to do that lifting…. He’s torching it. Given the green light, I think Beck has a higher ceiling than many give him

Philip Danault didn't even have "Philip Danault IQ" in juniors and in his first few years in the AHL. He didn't put it together till he was 23 or 24.

Phil Danault's junior numbers and AHL numbers really aren't very impressive.

He always had strong defensive IQ. The offence wasn’t as much, but he put it together literally when he was given the chance to in MTl