Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[CheldishGamibno]

Evans 2.0

They're not very similar. Based on what? lol

 

[rik schau]

You'll need a top-9 that can score as a committee and a 4th line that can keep the puck in the O-zone for long stretches, even if they don't score.

It would be great if Montreal had some elite talent,but they don't. More often than not,the 4th is comprised of Evans and Pezzetta and that is where offence dies. Neither have offensive skill and whomever makes up the 3rd part of the trio isn't getting any help offensively from the previous mentioned.

 

[Habs13]

I’d prefer seeing Beck playing in the NHL and scoring 15- 20 goals as a 20 year old. Isn’t that preferable to having him toil away in the AHL? I have never understood the approach that all players must first play at a lower level to reach their full potential. There is no set formula or pathway that guarantees any player’s success. Each player has their own development curve. If Beck has a strong training camp next fall and through the level of his play convinces the team’s management that he is ready to assume a full time role in the NHL, isn’t that preferable to a determination that he is not NHL ready? Or is it somehow preferable that we send him to Laval regardless?

Give him third line center and trade Dvorak. I'd be happy with a center line of Suzuki, Dach, Beck and Evans.

 

[Rapala]

I was even going to qualify it with that but then I said to myself surely no one will take issue with that

Well the thing is he wasn't the only acquisition who suffered a drop in production once traded.
I'm actually happy with his production this season given his role within that team's structure.

30 17-24-41 Mississauga
30 7- 18 -25 Peterborough

20 13-10-23 Peterborough

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Well the thing is he wasn't the only acquisition who suffered a drop in production once traded.
I'm actually happy with his production this season given his role within that team's structure.

30 17-24-41 Mississauga
30 7- 18 -25 Peterborough

20 13-10-23 Peterborough

Oh yeah I’m fully aware what happened. I just was lazy

 

[DAChampion]

Not all reps are equal and the only reps that matter are the ones that challenge you but don't overwhelm you. Finding the appropriate level to play at in order to meet this criteria differs from player to player. The idea that all players must do (x) or must do (y) is just poor asset management and requires a more nuanced approach.

I'm open to the possibility that I'm sounding like a robot on the benefits of AHL time. Could be in general but I have a harder time seeing it for Beck. In his case the contrast next year will be quite large, it might be first line in the AHL or 4th line in Montreal. And though it's the case that not all reps are created equal, the AHL will be comfortably more challenging than the OHL level he's used to.

Suzuki, as a comparable, did go from the OHL in his D-2, with a WJC and memorial cup run, to the 4th line in the NHL. But, he then had an open path to second line center and eventually first line center that will not be available to Beck. This will be Beck's last chance to get a lot of minutes at 5on4, 5on3, 4on5, 6on5, 5on6, etc. Lastly better Mesar and Kidney as linemates than Pezzetta and Evans.

The above changes, for example, if Hughes successfully managed to trade Dvorak by the start of next year.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Beck plays a much heavier game, is a more explosive skater than Evans, possesses a much superior shot and has considerably more offensive skills and inclinations. I like Evans, but Beck has much more upside and utility. Other than the fact that neither will be a number 1 center in the NHL, I find any comparisons between these two players largely superficial.

When I watch Beck, I see Danault with a heavy wrister. Like Roy, he’ll be a high IQ player that will compliment anyone he plays with.

 

[themilosh]

Give him third line center and trade Dvorak. I'd be happy with a center line of Suzuki, Dach, Beck and Evans.

i'm not sold on Beck being able to step in and replace Dvorak. Dvo is a solid vet presence at 3C similar to Eller, not sure why people dunk on the guy? It's not his fault MB overpaid in a knee jerk reaction to his own ego.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

i'm not sold on Beck being able to step in and replace Dvorak. Dvo is a solid vet presence at 3C similar to Eller, not sure why people dunk on the guy? It's not his fault MB overpaid in a knee jerk reaction to his own ego.

Dvo can be our number three while Beck learns the ropes on the 4th. Long term, Beck will be the guy.

 

[Tyson]

Dvo can be our number three while Beck learns the ropes on the 4th. Long term, Beck will be the guy.

I think Beck is too intelligent and determined not to become an effective 3rd line center. Perhaps the 4th line next season.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Beck plays a much heavier game, is a more explosive skater than Evans, possesses a much superior shot and has considerably more offensive skills and inclinations. I like Evans, but Beck has much more upside and utility. Other than the fact that neither will be a number 1 center in the NHL, I find any comparisons between these two players largely superficial.

Maybe, but I find Evans to be largely underestimed in here. Evans is a fast straight line skater who plays a smart game with some offensive skills. He lacks physicality and does not have enough offensive skill to play higher up in the lineup, but he is a very good 4th line player, unless you philosophically prefer to have an heavier 4th line.

Unlike Beck, Evans is already doing what he does at the NHL level. It is possible that Beck will be more impactful, but it is not crazy either to believe that he may never reach Evans' level of effectiveness.

That being said, I agree with the overall point that it is useless to equate one to the other at this point in time.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Maybe, but I find Evans to be largely underestimed in here. Evans is a fast straight line skater who plays a smart game with some offensive skills. He lacks physicality and does not have enough offensive skill to play higher up in the lineup, but he is a very good 4th line player, unless you philosophically prefer to have an heavier 4th line.

Unlike Beck, Evans is already doing what he does at the NHL level. It is possible that Beck will be more impactful, but it is not crazy either to believe that he may never reach Evans' level of effectiveness.

That being said, I agree with the overall point that it is useless to equate one to the other at this point in time.

I agree, Evans is underrated here. But the bottom line is: Evans is 27 years old, has played 208 NHL games and has scored a total of 21 goals to date. Evans is what he is, a utility forward who has little or no offensive skill. There is going to be no offensive breakout in the coming years. If Beck's upside is similar to Evans, we have wasted a high second round draft choice. I suspect that Beck will nearly equal or even surpass Evans' goal scoring total in his first full year in the NHL. There is simply no similarity between these two players’ talent level or style of play other than the fact that they both have two legs. People have to use their two eyes and see what a player's ability, style and potential is rather than simply parroting facile observations that they read here or elsewhere.

 

[Habs13]

i'm not sold on Beck being able to step in and replace Dvorak. Dvo is a solid vet presence at 3C similar to Eller, not sure why people dunk on the guy? It's not his fault MB overpaid in a knee jerk reaction to his own ego.

While I was a fan of Lars Eller, I really don't see much at all in Dvorak's game. What does he do well on this team? Not much.

 

[Skip Bayless]

While I was a fan of Lars Eller, I really don't see much at all in Dvorak's game. What does he do well on this team? Not much.

I think he plays the most generic game a C could play in this league. He’s like Radek Bonk.

Depending on which team he is, it could either be a blessing or a torture.

I don’t think Beck is that type of player.

 

[red devil]

 

[FrankMTL]

I think he plays the most generic game a C could play in this league. He’s like Radek Bonk.

Depending on which team he is, it could either be a blessing or a torture.

I don’t think Beck is that type of player.

With his speed, tenacity and physical play, Owen Beck looks like he's going to be a royal pain in the ass to be playing against. Like a dog on a bone. Teams will have to watch him on the PK.

 

[Skip Bayless]

With his speed, tenacity and physical play, Owen Beck looks like he's going to be a royal pain in the ass to be playing against. Like a dog on a bone.

Cody Eakin in his prime

 

[FrankMTL]

Cody Eakin in his prime

He looks like Jagger Firkus' older brother

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm open to the possibility that I'm sounding like a robot on the benefits of AHL time. Could be in general but I have a harder time seeing it for Beck. In his case the contrast next year will be quite large, it might be first line in the AHL or 4th line in Montreal. And though it's the case that not all reps are created equal, the AHL will be comfortably more challenging than the OHL level he's used to.

Suzuki, as a comparable, did go from the OHL in his D-2, with a WJC and memorial cup run, to the 4th line in the NHL. But, he then had an open path to second line center and eventually first line center that will not be available to Beck. This will be Beck's last chance to get a lot of minutes at 5on4, 5on3, 4on5, 6on5, 5on6, etc. Lastly better Mesar and Kidney as linemates than Pezzetta and Evans.

The above changes, for example, if Hughes successfully managed to trade Dvorak by the start of next year.

I think that we are mostly in agreement although I would not necessarily agree that Mesar and Kidney are better linemates as these are two players who have a ton of work ahead of them as they both play very "Junior" games whereas Evans and Pezzetta play pro games and Evans in particular is a high IQ player. If Beck thrives in a 4th line role and is able to push for a higher spot in the lineup, I would take that all day over playing with Junior style players where they are learning more from him than he is from them.

If Beck struggles and is just treading water on the 4th line then I think he would definitely be better off in the AHL. He will never have great hands or creativity and playing with offensive minded players is very unlikely to change that. He needs to really work on his hands and accessing his edges so that he can be more of a 1 on 1 threat which will back defenders off and allow him to gain the middle of the ice where he loves to shoot from.

In my opinion I think he will likely need some AHL time but I wouldn't be shocked to see him make the team out of camp, especially if both of Monahan and Dvorak are gone.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

With his speed, tenacity and physical play, Owen Beck looks like he's going to be a royal pain in the ass to be playing against. Like a dog on a bone. Teams will have to watch him on the PK.

I see a lot of Mike Keane in him as far as playstyle and makeup. Beck is a center and a better skater but the whole league is much faster so the difference isn't really that great. Beck imo will be a Steve Begin/Mike Keane/Doug Jarvis hybrid who can shoot the puck.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Let’s hope he plays better than he dresses. He looks like an Amish anvil salesman.

 

[montreal]

I would wait and see what kind of off-season Beck has, as he needs to add mass and strength if he's to play in the NHL next year. I would rather see him work on things in Laval unless he has a great camp.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Beck scored another goal off the rush tonight using his NHL level snap shot. His ability to score off the rush will be a real asset to the Canadiens going forward. This kid is a gamer.

 

[HuGort]

I see a lot of Mike Keane in him as far as playstyle and makeup. Beck is a center and a better skater but the whole league is much faster so the difference isn't really that great. Beck imo will be a Steve Begin/Mike Keane/Doug Jarvis hybrid who can shoot the puck.

I was hoping Beck be a Danault type.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I was hoping Beck be a Danault type.

I think Beck’s defensive game is over stated and his offensive game under estimated. Danault is a more fluid skater than Beck and presents a higher defensive acumen. But its Beck’s overall offensive game that really differs him from Danault. Beck has a much superior shot than Danault and his hand skills, explosive acceleration, net drive and shoot first mentality will allow him to have a more impactful offensive presence in the NHL than Danault. They really aren’t the same type of players.