Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[Estimated_Prophet]

Even future 3rd liners were/are productive in junior hockey.

Stats are useful when used by people who understand how to view them.......

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Stats are useful when used by people who understand how to view them.......

Let me guess, since you are often on your high horses, people like you ? Please, enlighten me with your knowledge.

 

[LesHabitants]

He's probably a Danault type of player

I thought Dano was a unicorn. Can there be many unicorns?

 

[cave troll]

Danault had 62 points in 56 games in his d+2. Only 22 goals.

Just to put things into perspective. Personally, I don’t see a lot of offense there, but the type of game he plays might translate into points a little differently at the nhl level.

Actually he had 85 points in 56 games in D+2.
Then he was becoming a career AHL-er for 3 years until he was traded and was given a chance 5 years after the draft.

 

[Tyson]

Realistically Beck's upside is 3rd line center which is not a bad thing. I wouldn't mind a player similar to Danault whatsoever.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I assume that Celebrini would start as third line center, and eventually push Dach or Suzuki to wing.

I'd prefer to see Beck in Laval next year either way.

I’d prefer seeing Beck playing in the NHL and scoring 15- 20 goals as a 20 year old. Isn’t that preferable to having him toil away in the AHL? I have never understood the approach that all players must first play at a lower level to reach their full potential. There is no set formula or pathway that guarantees any player’s success. Each player has their own development curve. If Beck has a strong training camp next fall and through the level of his play convinces the team’s management that he is ready to assume a full time role in the NHL, isn’t that preferable to a determination that he is not NHL ready? Or is it somehow preferable that we send him to Laval regardless?

 

[DAChampion]

I’d prefer seeing Beck playing in the NHL and scoring 15- 20 goals as a 20 year old. Isn’t that preferable to having him toil away in the AHL? I have never understood the approach that all players must first play at a lower level to reach their full potential. There is no set formula or pathway that guarantees any player’s success. Each player has their own development curve. If Beck has a strong training camp next fall and through the level of his play convinces the team’s management that he is ready to assume a full time role in the NHL, isn’t that preferable to a determination that he is not NHL ready? Or is it somehow preferable that we send him to Laval regardless?

Depends how many minutes are available for Beck. He won't score 20 goals from the 4th line.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Depends how many minutes are available for Beck. He won't score 20 goals from the 4th line.

Agreed. But my premise was based on Beck demonstrating that he can earn a full time role. Whether he scores 5, 10 or 20 goals is not the essential question. If he’s playing full time in the NHL against superior opposition and is not being overmatched, Beck’s development will be accelerated and his scoring will come.

 

[DAChampion]

Agreed. But my premise was based on Beck demonstrating that he can earn a full time role. Whether he scores 5, 10 or 20 goals is not the essential question. If he’s playing full time in the NHL against superior opposition and is not being overmatched, Beck’s development will be accelerated and his scoring will come.

That makes sense, but my premise was based on roster spots. They may or may not be there. I was specifically imagining Celebrini as third line center. That would push Beck to the 4th line.

Admittedly that is an unlikely outcome.

 

[Andy]

Actually he had 85 points in 56 games in D+2.
Then he was becoming a career AHL-er for 3 years until he was traded and was given a chance 5 years after the draft.

Ahh yes. I was looking at the profile on my phone and summed the assists, not the points. Sorry about that. My bad.

So yeah, my point is moot.

 

[NewDef]

I’d prefer seeing Beck playing in the NHL and scoring 15- 20 goals as a 20 year old. Isn’t that preferable to having him toil away in the AHL? I have never understood the approach that all players must first play at a lower level to reach their full potential. There is no set formula or pathway that guarantees any player’s success. Each player has their own development curve. If Beck has a strong training camp next fall and through the level of his play convinces the team’s management that he is ready to assume a full time role in the NHL, isn’t that preferable to a determination that he is not NHL ready? Or is it somehow preferable that we send him to Laval regardless?

What i get is that in the NHL he may play 12 minutes where in the AHL he could play 19-20. Reps at this age is huge. Physically he may still need some time to full up and get used to the calendar. And mistakes on the A won't cause a huge deal as with the habs.

Of course, some hit the ground running and are ready, others may need that time. It really depends on the player but also who can surround him in the NHL.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

What i get is that in the NHL he may play 12 minutes where in the AHL he could play 19-20. Reps at this age is huge. Physically he may still need some time to full up and get used to the calendar. And mistakes on the A won't cause a huge deal as with the habs.

Of course, some hit the ground running and are ready, others may need that time. It really depends on the player but also who can surround him in the NHL.

Agreed. Each player has his own rate of development and circumstances. If Beck can perform at a high level in the NHL, then the total minutes he plays is a lesser factor as I would rather him play less minutes against the best competition than more minutes against lesser competition. The former would advance his development faster than the latter.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Let me guess, since you are often on your high horses, people like you ? Please, enlighten me with your knowledge.

I would attempt to enlighten you if I had any idea what you are asking....

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What i get is that in the NHL he may play 12 minutes where in the AHL he could play 19-20. Reps at this age is huge. Physically he may still need some time to full up and get used to the calendar. And mistakes on the A won't cause a huge deal as with the habs.

Of course, some hit the ground running and are ready, others may need that time. It really depends on the player but also who can surround him in the NHL.

Not all reps are equal and the only reps that matter are the ones that challenge you but don't overwhelm you. Finding the appropriate level to play at in order to meet this criteria differs from player to player. The idea that all players must do (x) or must do (y) is just poor asset management and requires a more nuanced approach.

 

[NewDef]

Agreed. Each player has his own rate of development and circumstances. If Beck can perform at a high level in the NHL, then the total minutes he plays is a lesser factor as I would rather him play less minutes against the best competition than more minutes against lesser competition. The former would advance his development faster than the latter.

Indeed, some players need to play with good players to really shine. I've seen and coached a few very good centers that were not shining because no wing could play at their level and thus a lot of nice pass are lost to fumbles and bad anticipation.

When he comes to the nhl, he needs to have good players on his wings. At least RHP/Newhook+. I dunno what Ylonen will end up bringing but he could be really good on a 3rd line if he puts it all together.

 

[The Great Weal]

He was very impressive during his first camp, you have to give him a chance. That being said, I can't lie and say it doesn't hurt that Firkus (who was most people here's pick) is destroying the WHL.

 

[Rapala]

Yeah he’s picked it up of late. Hope he can keep it going and doesn’t go in that mid season rut like last year.

I don’t know if I believe in big production from him but man he can snipe it off the rush. He’s got some very good tools

Oh you mean when he got traded to Peterborough?

 

[Habs10Habs]

Imagine Cellebrini, Suzuki, Dach and Beck down the middle as part of our future core. Insane. With Slaf,CC,Newhook and Roy… it would have real potential.

One superstar at center would make all the difference. Our blueline is in good shape already. Honestly a lot of the pieces are already there.

Insert " in my pants" gif

 

[CheldishGamibno]

He was very impressive during his first camp, you have to give him a chance. That being said, I can't lie and say it doesn't hurt that Firkus (who was most people here's pick) is destroying the WHL.

Not convinced Firkus will have a better NHL career than Beck. Firkus is absolutely tiny

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Oh you mean when he got traded to Peterborough?

I was even going to qualify it with that but then I said to myself surely no one will take issue with that

 

[Habs]

Not convinced Firkus will have a better NHL career than Beck. Firkus is absolutely tiny

the W is ridiculously misleading this year, tons of 6+ goal games and its like old-time hockey, tons of offense for sure.

 

[hardcorehabs]

Evans 2.0

 

[rik schau]

Yes, more than likely. But that still puts him as the 4th line centre which is such a Therrien move. If Beck is on the team I’d want him to at least be the 3C and get 12+ mins a game.

Have no idea what the future team will look like but if Nick and Cole are the top dogs on the team,you're gonna need 4 decent lines.

 

[Scriptor]

Have no idea what the future team will look like but if Nick and Cole are the top dogs on the team,you're gonna need 4 decent lines.

You'll need a top-9 that can score as a committee and a 4th line that can keep the puck in the O-zone for long stretches, even if they don't score.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Evans 2.0

Beck plays a much heavier game, is a more explosive skater than Evans, possesses a much superior shot and has considerably more offensive skills and inclinations. I like Evans, but Beck has much more upside and utility. Other than the fact that neither will be a number 1 center in the NHL, I find any comparisons between these two players largely superficial.