Ovechkin vs Laine comparison.

[RageQuit77]

No, just pointing out Laine was better in production as teen. People got pretty pissed of that fact. I didn't speak anything of any records in my starting post.

Don't worry.

It's not enough that Stanley Cup winner, playoffs MVP Captain Ovechkin has 607G and 7 Rockets and all. To be real stud his "legacy" must be retrospectively extended to NHL seasons that he didn't play and records he didn't make, because The Best goal scorer must be best in all categories, and peer-groups, against all ages, other wise he is not that cool stud we all would want him to be (at least better than that foul Crosby! ) who took away from his overall studness.

Now that young Patrik has managed to do things that Over-Stud couldn't/had no chance to do, and that sucks! Conclusion: Neglect, diminish, forget, and argue against factual things that can shed ugly (albeit minor) shades over his glorious, magnificent Studness. Rinse and repeat.

80 teen surplus career goals ahead Ovi for Patty doesn't just disappear.

 

[grieves]

In how many threads must it be brought up that stats from different leagues doesn't really transfer be brought up before people like you get it? Laine might very well had less points if he played in the KHL.

Oh yeah for sure. That is a great result in the mighty Russian league.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

The first two are blatantly false, especially hockey sense. The last one is at best highly debatable.



What does this have to do with the question I asked? You're just deflecting now.

But to answer the question anyway, no I don't just mean that Ovechkin would sometimes hit people. The guy was a McDavid level driver of offense at the NHL level. Laine has not demonstrated that he is capable of that in any capacity. Could he improve to that? I mean I guess he could, anything is possible. I'm not gonna bet on it, though.

Hockey sense also means that you understand to skate down from O-zone when opposite team has the puck.

 

[Carlzner]

Hockey sense also means that you understand to skate down from O-zone when opposite team has the puck.

Good one! Have you watched a single second of footage yet?

 

[oXo Cube]

Hockey sense also means that you understand to skate down from O-zone when opposite team has the puck.

Here's the disconnect right here.

The Laine supporters have absolutely no idea how good Ovechkin really was and as a result they've set the bar for Laine to equal him far far lower than it should be.

Really doesn't have anything to do with how good Patrick is or isn't(he's awesome).

 

[Alf the dwarf]

In how many threads must it be brought up that stats from different leagues doesn't really transfer be brought up before people like you get it? Laine might very well had less points if he played in the KHL.

You surely didn't get that KHL was back then russian league which was more equal to finnish league. He actuslly did pretty well there as 17 years old. Playoffs mvp and top scorer/goal scorer. Was too good player to play there so Winnipeg gave him a chance to play in better league as 18 years old.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

Here's the disconnect right here.

The Laine supporters have absolutely no idea how good Ovechkin really was and as a result they've set the bar for Laine to equal him far far lower than it should be.

Really doesn't have anything to do with how good Patrick is or isn't(he's awesome).

You asked to list things Laine is better. Its huge step for still for Laine to ever reach Ovechkins peak, when he was maybe worlds best as offensive player.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

Good one! Have you watched a single second of footage yet?

I have followed Ovechkin. Not only his gathered highlights.

Also I think Ovechkin was ridiculously amazing in this years playoffs, especially in finals when he showed that he can be great defensively aswell.

 

[deckercky]

Shouldn't Laine have to get within 20 goals of Ovechkin's best goal scoring season before we starting saying stuff like this?

Or are imaginations sufficient?

Laine has a more accurate shot than Ovechkin. Ovechkin drives more overall offence, but is more of a volume shooter.

I say that based on observing how both players score.

And I said that in communicating the opinion that Ovechkin is probably much better overall.

 

[Sky04]

"just pointing out Laine had better production as a teen"

Ovechkin - entered the NHL at age 20.

Probably the dumbest post here. Hold up let me compare who has better production at 25, oh wait.

 

[grieves]

"just pointing out Laine had better production as a teen"

Ovechkin - entered the NHL at age 20.

Probably the dumbest post here. Hold up let me compare who has better production at 25, oh wait.

Other leagues track stats too. It's not like Ovis teenage production is some secret.

 

[Psych0dad]

You think Laine's shot is "by far" better than Ovechkin's in terms of scoring from distance.

Wow.

Damn right it is.

 

[Mulletman]

Ovechkin and Stamkos have scored more than 44 goals with Laine's ice time, it's just that they went on to score even more than that - at a higher rate - with substantial additional ice time despite the fact that G/60 tends to decrease with more TOI.

In other words - you guys created a stat trying to make Laine look like some sort of record breaker but that is highly misleading.

No it's not misleading. Laine played 16:29 per game last season and scored 44 goals. Since the 1997-98 season there has been 125 times a player has scored at least 40 goals and every time the player has played more than 16:29 per game. The 2nd least icetime for a 40+ goal season was Brendan Shanahan in 2005-06 with 40 goals while playing 16:35.

And when you look at the guys scoring more than Laine, in other words 45 goals or more since 1997-98 it has happened 47 times. And every time except once the players have played at least 18:31 per game to score 45 goals or more. The only time it was done under 18:31 per game was when Selanne put up 48 goals in 17:42 back in 2006-07.

And Milan Hejduk is the guy that's been able to score 50 goals with the least ice time per game, 19:50 back in 2003-04. The only other guy to do it with less than 20 minutes per game is Jonathan Cheechoo who scored 56 goals in 19:57 back in 2005-06. With Paul Maurice not giving Laine enough ice time, many expect he'll be the 3rd guy to score 50 goals while playing less than 20 minutes per game, most likely breaking Milan Hejduk's record in the process.

Now that wasn't too complicated, was it?!

 

[Alf the dwarf]

"just pointing out Laine had better production as a teen"

Ovechkin - entered the NHL at age 20.

Probably the dumbest post here. Hold up let me compare who has better production at 25, oh wait.

Yeah, he clearly wasn't on NHL level back then so production has been better, since Laine played earlier against tougher players with bettet results than ovi in Russian league.

We can compare them also when Laine is 25.

 

[Psych0dad]

Have you watched any videos of rookie Ovechkin yet? I feel like I've been asking you fins to all thread.

I watched Ovechkin couple of years prior to NHL, in some RSL games and some EHT tournaments and WJC, WHC. I know exactly who he is and was.

Laine is a different type of player. Much more like Mario than Ovechkin.

 

[Psych0dad]

Here's the disconnect right here.

The Laine supporters have absolutely no idea how good Ovechkin really was and as a result they've set the bar for Laine to equal him far far lower than it should be.

Really doesn't have anything to do with how good Patrick is or isn't(he's awesome).

No tje disconnect is in you being nostalgic about an established player and not knowledgeable on the young one.

 

[oXo Cube]

No tje disconnect is in you being nostalgic about an established player and not knowledgeable on the young one.

I'm sorry did you just compare Laine to Mario f***ing Lemieux and then attempt to accuse me of not being knowledgeable?

 

[psycat]

Oh yeah for sure. That is a great result in the mighty Russian league.

Well I mean given that I am from Sweden I got to see a lot of players here during the lockouts, Söderberg for example made Duchene look like a poor imitation during his stint here. Does that mean Söderberg was a vastly superior player?

Huselius performed better than Hossa etc during the lockout here.
Getting over a ppg in SEL is rarer than doing it in the NHL for example.

 

[North Cole]

Man this young laine guy is so impressive. All I hear about is how he scored so many more goals as a teenager, and yet he just lost the rocket to a 32 year old and worse version of the guy people are claiming hes better than....

If he isn't better than 32 year old Ovechkin then there is absolutely no chance hes better than 20 year old Ovechkin. He wasnt this year, he wont be next year.

 

[Cleatus]

If Laine wins the Rocket next year, we might be able to say he was as good as OV at the same age. As of now, he's not close, which is more of a testament to how amazing Ovechkin was back then.

 

[North Cole]

No it's not misleading. Laine played 16:29 per game last season and scored 44 goals. Since the 1997-98 season there has been 125 times a player has scored at least 40 goals and every time the player has played more than 16:29 per game. The 2nd least icetime for a 40+ goal season was Brendan Shanahan in 2005-06 with 40 goals while playing 16:35.

And when you look at the guys scoring more than Laine, in other words 45 goals or more since 1997-98 it has happened 47 times. And every time except once the players have played at least 18:31 per game to score 45 goals or more. The only time it was done under 18:31 per game was when Selanne put up 48 goals in 17:42 back in 2006-07.

And Milan Hejduk is the guy that's been able to score 50 goals with the least ice time per game, 19:50 back in 2003-04. The only other guy to do it with less than 20 minutes per game is Jonathan Cheechoo who scored 56 goals in 19:57 back in 2005-06. With Paul Maurice not giving Laine enough ice time, many expect he'll be the 3rd guy to score 50 goals while playing less than 20 minutes per game, most likely breaking Milan Hejduk's record in the process.

Now that wasn't too complicated, was it?!

So it took Shanny 7 more seconds in average ice time? Wonder if people were praising him for this stat when he was the apparent highest scorer with the least ice time.

Breaking a Milan Hejduk record. Never thought I'd hear that.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Laine is slowly becoming one of HF's most overrated players based on what his fans think his potential is.

Better than Ovechkin, comparable to Lemieux. What next? He can play defense better than Orr? Better skater than McDavid but just doesn't try?

 

[shtorm2005]

Better skater than McDavid but just doesn't try?

Well, PL is taller than McD, that means in one step he travels more distance, if we extrapolate that to the whole ice rink, it makes him faster That's how extrapolating works according to the PL fans.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

I'm sorry did you just compare Laine to Mario ****ing Lemieux and then attempt to accuse me of not being knowledgeable?

Well he is not only one to compare. Marian Hossa compared him to young Lemieux at ESPN interview 2016 aswell.

 

[North Cole]

I watched Ovechkin couple of years prior to NHL, in some RSL games and some EHT tournaments and WJC, WHC. I know exactly who he is and was.

Laine is a different type of player. Much more like Mario than Ovechkin.

Yeah. Hes very much like Mario, in that they are both quite tall on skates.

Unfortunately, laine has about 1/4 of the foot speed and agility, 1/10 the stick handling and a much lower IQ. Mario is top 4 all time and does not have a current comparable. Laine also doesn't use his size at all....

@Empoleon8771
@Sidney the Kidney

You guys wanna teach him about Mario?