Ovechkin vs Laine comparison.

[hatterson]

Ovechkin had 23 points in 53 games
And 27 points in 37 game
While Laine was playing the nhl at the same age

I'm not saying Laine gets 106 points next season, But Laine is having a quicker start

Laine has scored more goals at a younger age, that’s obviously true. That doesn’t mean he’s a better, or even comparable, goal scorer.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

Laine has scored more goals at a younger age, that’s obviously true. That doesn’t mean he’s a better, or even comparable, goal scorer.

Lol what an arguement. Like saying earth is flat. Laine had scored more goals and almost won rocket last year as teen, so no, he obviously ain't comparable as goal scorer.

 

[f1nn]

Laine is more comparable to Dany Heatley than Ovechkin IMO.

So he's a f***ing all-star?

 

[Carlzner]

I wonder if Alf the dwarf has taken any time to watch Ovechkin's rookie highlights yet

 

[hatterson]

Lol what an arguement. Like saying earth is flat. Laine had scored more goals and almost won rocket last year as teen, so no, he obviously ain't comparable as goal scorer.

Is Jimmy Carson a comparable goal scorer to Gretzky? He scored more goals as a teenager and was 3rd in goals in his 2nd season.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

Is Jimmy Carson a comparable goal scorer to Gretzky? He scored more goals as a teenager and was 3rd in goals in his 2nd season.

Well he was obviously better as teenager. It was expected he would maybe become even better than Gretzky but that didn't happen and we all know that, Jimmy's career went off trails.

And Im still comparing Laine and Ovechkin production at same age so far, not Laine to prime Ovechkin or not saying that he will surely break all records. He might aswell suck badly for now on, who knows. Read the post before commenting so you get the idea..

 

[hatterson]

Well he was obviously better as teenager. It was expected he would maybe become even better than Gretzky but that didn't happen and we all know that, Jimmy's career went off trails.

And Im still comparing Laine and Ovechkin production at same age so far, not Laine to prime Ovechkin or not saying that he will surely break all records. He might aswell suck badly for now on, who knows. Read the post before commenting so you get the idea..

wh----what?

 

[Alf the dwarf]

wh----what?

I quess you don't know alot about
hockeys history. It was said in document about Kurri or Gretzky that Carson was expected to be next Gretzky or even better due his numbers in teenage years but he flopped. You can find document movie about both atleast on viaplay.

Surprised me aswell because really didn't know much about Carson.

 

[RageQuit77]

My two most favorite players, yeah. The one another's idol. We all have already customed to beat this corpse so bloody that one comment more doesn't make difference.

I think difference is that Laine isn't a power forward.

True. At least not yet. Purest sniper 100 years old NHL has ever seen. By quality, particularly.

Ah, this should go well.

Ah, Hopefully it will go well.

Let's see Laine torch the league and score 100 points now.

Probably won't happen, but who counts those 2nd assists anyway?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no. Be serious people.

Laine is enough serious we can already skip these kind comments due lack of seriousness. Hahahahhaaa It's easy!

Ovechkin is in a different league.

In same league as far as I know. Full 13 seasons and counting.

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What ever people may say and claim, by age comparison ONLY Laine is 80G ahead Ovechkin (undisputable fact, no room for disagreements). By Goal scoring finesses Laine will be happy guy if he ever beat his active childhood Idol in goal scoring race during their careers, but it won't be due lack of Finesse, as Ovi can already (and probably have done already take some lessons from his young descentant, particularly when it comes to 'how to shoot'). Ovi is the best idol a goal scorer can have to follow after. Young Laine evidently took his example to his heart, and at least so far in his still short career, he brings only honor to his great forerunner of the art. It will presumably carry for long and glorious goal scoring career for Laine, but no sane Laine fan would ever question the pre-eminence of the great 8, at least if Rocket count disparity is 0-7. Let's see and wait until 4 or 5 to 7 (or 8 or 9...) and some years of consecutive 50+ G/season career-wise before making too bold statements...

It's still the Boy vs the Papa.How long? Nobody can possibly know.

Then came A. Matthews and Ovi lost The Rocket.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It means a lot. If he keeps scoring regulary about 50+ goals a season he might pass Ovechkin in all time goal scorers when its all said and done with his career.

That's some good extrapolating.

 

[Dzonna]

Laine is not really even close to Ovechkin at a similar age. More comparable to Steve Stamkos.

Alex was exponentially more dynamic and complete a player. Didn't play on loaded teams like Stamkos and Laine so he really had to drive all the offense he got.

Anyone who watched ovechkins rookie seasons would agree to this. Laine is very different then ovechkin.

 

[Mbraunm]

Agree with most posters. Ovechkin is definitely a tier above Laine in all aspects of the game except for shot accuracy. I don’t envision Laine having near the dynamic career as OV.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

My two most favorite players, yeah. The one another's idol. We all have already customed to beat this corpse so bloody that one comment more doesn't make difference.



True. At least not yet. Purest sniper 100 years old NHL has ever seen. By quality, particularly.



Ah, Hopefully it will go well.



Probably won't happen, but who counts those 2nd assists anyway?



Laine is enough serious we can already skip these kind comments due lack of seriousness. Hahahahhaaa It's easy!



In same league as far as I know. Full 13 seasons and counting.

____

What ever people may say and claim, by age comparison ONLY Laine is 80G ahead Ovechkin (undisputable fact, no room for disagreements). By Goal scoring finesses Laine will be happy guy if he ever beat his active childhood Idol in goal scoring race during their careers, but it won't be due lack of Finesse, as Ovi can already (and probably have done already take some lessons from his young descentant, particularly when it comes to 'how to shoot'). Ovi is the best idol a goal scorer can have to follow after. Young Laine evidently took his example to his heart, and at least so far in his still short career, he brings only honor to his great forerunner of the art. It will presumably carry for long and glorious goal scoring career for Laine, but no sane Laine fan would ever question the pre-eminence of the great 8, at least if Rocket count disparity is 0-7. Let's see and wait until 4 or 5 to 7 (or 8 or 9...) and some years of consecutive 50+ G/season career-wise before making too bold statements...

It's still the Boy vs the Papa.How long? Nobody can possibly know.

Then came A. Matthews and Ovi lost The Rocket.

Laine is a virgin?

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Can you provide a list of the games from last season where Laine played in the same line with Wheeler and Scheiffele ?

I clearly said he "sheltered behind Scheifele and Wheeler" learn to read before you act smart

 

[RageQuit77]

What if scenario (Purely hypothetical)

Somehow, someday Laine actually manages to overcome The Great #8 (not Selänne)'s accomplishments career-wise. Even in this far reach near-impossibility, when future fans and statisticians would compare Ovi's and Patty's careers, they could always add

'Patrik Laine'

to The List of Alexander Ovechkin's records and career accomplishments.

That's the order of the things, regardless of future career curriculum of Patrik Laine.

Too much noise comes from those people who disagree for sake of disagreement. Even IF Laine would win 10 consecutive Rockets (+ other minor scrap trophies and few SC), ending his career within Top 10 all-times goal scoring, he would still credit and thank his great Idol as the ultimate reason for his accomplishments in his HHoF speech.

That scenario won't likely happen, but Patrik will thank anyway.

 

[Asmola]

So far Laine have been much more efficient goal scorer, even if we take Ovi's rookie season in to account. Last year Laine G/60 was 1.954 and rookie Ovi had 1.782. It will be fun to see if Laine can keep that G/60 pace. Of course in almost every other aspect of the game Laine is still behind.

 

[RageQuit77]

Laine is a virgin?

No.



GF. Wearing NT of Finland Jersey.

 

[oXo Cube]

I don't think anyone has forgotten that. The point is we haven't seen Laine in his prime. We will see that in about two or three years, unless he is late boomer like Wheeler.

Laine has scored 80 goals, Ovie 0 so far. Age to age comparison. I'm eager to see whether 20-year-old Laine can match 20-year-old Ovie, scoring wise.

Other than being great goal scorers they are so different as players that it's kind of pointless to compare. Apples to oranges.

Young Ovie was an offensive force of nature hitting everything that moves, whereas Laine is a cautiously playing two-way forward, if compared to Ovie.

Even their one-timers are really different.

I just don't agree. It's not apples to oranges. It's apples to rotten apples.

Ovechkin has Laine's shooting prowess(not quite, but close enough) and a whole host of other tools(speed, physicality, vision) that Laine doesn't and almost certainly never will have.

If Patrick wants to make himself comparable to Alex he is going to have to improve as a hockey player by orders of magnitude, and he's gonna have to do it quickly at this point because the younger defense is officially on the clock.

 

[RageQuit77]

I just don't agree. It's not apples to oranges. It's apples to rotten apples.

Ovechkin has Laine's shooting prowess(not quite, but close enough) and a whole host of other tools(speed, physicality, vision) that Laine doesn't and almost certainly never will have.

If Patrick wants to make himself comparable to Alex he is going to have to improve as a hockey player by orders of magnitude, and he's gonna have to do it quickly at this point because the younger defense is officially on the clock.

80+5 apples is better than 0 apples. 80+5 rotten apples is still better than 0 rotten apples. One picked them, other didn't.

There cannot be ever any true disagreement in that (50+ threads revolve around that rather nauseous topic who did and who didn't score 80 Goals as a teenager- absurd thing to argue over the fact as we know that for sure, no one can argue out as long as we give any value to NHL basic stats).

Thus we speak about potential of Laine, and We know the potential of Ovi.

I agree with your sentiments about dramatic differences in Laine's and Ovi's tool boxes, no disagreement here either, though it is not difference of "order of magnitude" (x 10?, Richter scale? Natural logarithm?). That's over exaggeration.

However, if 32 yo veteran, The Great Goal scoring machine can change and evolve in his game, why a great 20 yo goal scorer couldn't do that too?

 

[DRW204]

This up coming season is what you would compare to
Ovrchkin was 20 going into 21, not 19 turning 20

Laine is 2 seasons ahead of ovechkin

So Laines upcoming year where he already had two more years of nhl experience is comparable to ovies year when he had 0? I concede the age side, but Laine having two more years of pro nhl/NA experience by far trumps Ovie having 0... Not to mention the quality of team/linemates is beyond comparable.

 

[grieves]

Let's not forget this if we are counting handicaps:

Post from jepjepjoo:

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Lets compare Laine's 2nd season to Ovi's first:

2017-2018 Winnipeg Jets had 274 pp opportunities
2005-2006 Washington Capitals had 495 pp opportunities

Ovechkin had 6:43 pp, toi 14:05 ev toi, season total: 1,751:22
Laine had 3:00 pp toi, 13:28 ev toi, season total: 1,351:25

hypothetically if Laine had Ovechkin's ev+pp TOI he would have scored 69 goals 108pts

Of course this isn't a fair comparision, but it puts the 05-06 season into context."

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ovechkin once had 136 points and 63 goals in an 82 game stretch.

It is hard to imagine Laine doing something like that.

 

[deckercky]

Agree with most posters. Ovechkin is definitely a tier above Laine in all aspects of the game except for shot accuracy. I don’t envision Laine having near the dynamic career as OV.

Agree with this. What Laine does best he does better than OV ever did, but Ovechkin has a much broader set of tools that have allowed him to adapt to remain the best goal scorer throughout his career.

 

[oXo Cube]

80+5 apples is better than 0 apples. 80+5 rotten apples is still better than 0 rotten apples. One picked them, other didn't.

There cannot be ever any true disagreement in that (50+ threads revolve around that rather nauseous topic who did and who didn't score 80 Goals as a teenager- absurd thing to argue over the fact as we know that for sure, no one can argue out as long as we give any value to NHL basic stats).

Nobody disagrees with this. What we disagree with is how much it matters, especially since Ovechkin was never given an opportunity to play in the NHL at this age.

I agree with your sentiments about dramatic differences in Laine's and Ovi's tool boxes, no disagreement here either, though it is not difference of "order of magnitude" (x 10?, Richter scale? Natural logarithm?). That's over exaggeration.

I don't think it is, and this is why my original comment was about going back and watching some videos of Ovechkin from 06-10. He was so much better than anything Laine has done to date that he really will need to improve significantly if he wants to reach that level.

However, if 32 yo veteran, The Great Goal scoring machine can change and evolve in his game, why a great 20 yo goal scorer couldn't do that too?

He can and he will. Laine has more to give obviously. I just think its extremely, extremely unlikely he can improve to Ovechkin good. Scoring a few extra goals on a stacked team next year won't change that opinion.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Let's not forget this if we are counting handicaps:

Post from jepjepjoo:

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Lets compare Laine's 2nd season to Ovi's first:

2017-2018 Winnipeg Jets had 274 pp opportunities
2005-2006 Washington Capitals had 495 pp opportunities

Ovechkin had 6:43 pp, toi 14:05 ev toi, season total: 1,751:22
Laine had 3:00 pp toi, 13:28 ev toi, season total: 1,351:25

hypothetically if Laine had Ovechkin's ev+pp TOI he would have scored 69 goals 108pts

Of course this isn't a fair comparision, but it puts the 05-06 season into context."

Not really.

Ovechkin was on a garbage team playing the toughest match-ups.

Laine was on an excellent team playing lesser match-ups.

And TOI doesn't extrapolate that way. You don't just increase minutes and productivity increases commensurately.