Ovechkin top 10 player of all time?

[Kuznetsnow]

Ovechkin rocketing up the all time list and Footnote Crosby being so irrelevant even Pens fans won't talk about him and would rather crowd GOATvechkin threads as he drops hat trick after hat trick.

Lol.

 

[geoo9]

Sid had Malkin all these years-such underrated top player who was excluded by top 100 of history without reason. Ovie had Backstrom who was nowhere near Malkin - especially at PO perfomance when Malkin makes impact similar to Sid if not bigger.

 

[shtorm2005]

About Ovy's not making his teammates better... If we count that 1 goal gives 2 assists, then, over their career:

Ovy generated 1966 points (1.73ppg) for teammates.
Crosby generated 1700 points (1.75ppg) for teammates.

So, Crosby is 1.1% better at it. Though, Ovy gave 266 points more overall, which is better.

I would like to hear from Ovy haters that Crosby generated more goals for teammates, and goals are better than assists

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Yes

 

[FinRanger]

Not even close to top 10. Only 1.12 points per game. Don't care how many of his point totals are goals. He is very selfish player and many times makes the wrong decision to shoot.

Crosby makes the right play more often and that is why he is miles ahead in point totals and has 1.29 points per game.

And we did not even touch the defensive side of things..

 

[alphabetical]

Not even close to top 10. Only 1.12 points per game. Don't care how many of his point totals are goals. He is very selfish player and many times makes the wrong decision to shoot.

Crosby makes the right play more often and that is why he is miles ahead in point totals and has 1.29 points per game.

And we did not even touch the defensive side of things..

Point totals? Who do you think has more points?

 

[FinRanger]

Point totals? Who do you think has more points?

Irrelevant comment. Ovechkin has played like 200 games more. So you think every player who has more points than Lemiuex is actually better than Lemiuex. Complete non sense comment from you. Get lost.

 

[alphabetical]

Irrelevant comment. Ovechkin has played like 200 games more. So you think every player who has more points than Lemiuex is actually better than Lemiuex. Complete non sense comment from you. Get lost.

You cite point totals in your post. Hence the question.

I'll leave you to have this argument with yourself.

 

[Zuluss]

Crosby makes the right play more often and that is why he is miles ahead in point totals

So now being 23 career points behind is being "miles ahead"
If you look at primary points over their careers, Ovechkin is a full 100 ahead (1049 vs. 949). It would take Crosby almost 1.5 seasons to close the gap.
So no, Crosby is not suddenly close to OV in career offensive production just because Crosby is a C and touches the puck more often on the cycle, thereby getting 2nd assists.
Ovechkin is routinely voted over players who have more points both in Hart and All-star voting, and by a large margin. And yes, that includes Crosby - just check out 14/15 or 17/18.
There are many players in the league who can collect a good amount of points. There is only one player to score you 50 goals every season - and this is Ovechkin.

 

[Acallabeth]

Irrelevant comment. Ovechkin has played like 200 games more. So you think every player who has more points than Lemiuex is actually better than Lemiuex. Complete non sense comment from you. Get lost.

You literally said that Crosby is way ahead in point totals. It's like saying that a 5'11 player is taller that a 6'2 player because he played fewer games lol.

 

[FinRanger]

You literally said that Crosby is way ahead in point totals. It's like saying that a 5'11 player is taller that a 6'2 player because he played fewer games lol.

Why are you all acting like fools? You know what I mean. Just look at the games played. Almost 200 games more for Ovechkin

 

[Sentinel]

Why are you all acting like fools? You know what I mean. Just look at the games played. Almost 200 games more for Ovechkin

You are being ridiculous. More "games played" is not a flaw, it's a benefit. You're no use to your team if you are sitting in a press box.

You can hate Ovechkin all you want, but the consensus shift is already well underway. Ovy > Sid.

 

[steveat]

Marcel Dionne gets no love...maybe because he didn't win a cup..

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

This marks the second fewest games Ovechkin has played to reach the 40 goal mark (53 games). His fewest games to reach the 40 goal mark in his career came in the 2007-08 (52 games). Ovechkin was 22 years old at the time. Ovechkin has passed Marcel Dionne & Mario Lemieux for the 2nd most career 40+ goal seasons in NHL history (11. Most: 12- Wayne Gretzky)

Yes, yes he is. This is coming from a Penguins fan, only an idiot would not put him in top-10.

 

[alphabetical]

Why are you all acting like fools? You know what I mean. Just look at the games played. Almost 200 games more for Ovechkin

Why can't you write what you mean? Is it because you're a fool?

Your statement was false. Own your mistakes.

 

[tictactoe]

Not even close to top 10. Only 1.12 points per game. Don't care how many of his point totals are goals. He is very selfish player and many times makes the wrong decision to shoot.

Crosby makes the right play more often and that is why he is miles ahead in point totals and has 1.29 points per game.

And we did not even touch the defensive side of things..

lol... kid, Ovechkin could be top 3 goal scoring forward all time. You do not care about goals? ha ha

 

[FinRanger]

lol... kid, Ovechkin could be top 3 scoring forward all time. You do not care about goals? ha ha

I care but not as much as lots of buffoons here. I care more how big of an impact certain player has for his team's success.

 

[tictactoe]

I care but not as much as lots of buffoons here. I care more how big of an impact certain player has for his team's success.

Well why don't you ask Caps fans who is the best Capital all time. You making an idiot out of yourself around here, doing a good job too.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Why are you all acting like fools? You know what I mean. Just look at the games played. Almost 200 games more for Ovechkin

You can’t be impactful for your team or the “better” player if you aren’t actually playing. Much like you aren’t playing you can’t contribute offensively. Ovechkin playing more games shouldn’t be held against him, because those are still more games where he contributed to his team and actually had a chance to make an impact.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I care but not as much as lots of buffoons here. I care more how big of an impact certain player has for his team's success.

So his goal scoring has never made an impact on his team in a positive way? They haven’t won more games because of it? They haven’t been a top competitive team because of it? They didn’t win a Stanley cup partly due to Ovechkins goal scoring?

You say you care more about the impact and yet ignore the impact his goal scoring has had for his teams success.

 

[FinRanger]

So his goal scoring has never made an impact on his team in a positive way? They haven’t won more games because of it? They haven’t been a top competitive team because of it? They didn’t win a Stanley cup partly due to Ovechkins goal scoring?

You say you care more about the impact and yet ignore the impact his goal scoring has had for his teams success.

Why you make this a hyperbole? I did not say his goal scoring did not have any impact. Of course it had lot of impact. But Crosby has had bigger impact. 1.12 vs 1.29. Crosby is much better but has had worse luck with injuries. Just like Lemieux was better than Messier. Lemieux just had worse luck with missing games.

Crosby makes the optimal decision on ice more often than Ovechkin. Ovechkin spams shots. Not to say it is the worst decision in any situation but even with his great shot sometimes it is not the optimal decision. That is why Crosby has more points per game.

 

[Dicky113]

I think ovechkin has passed Crosby. I have no dog in this fight, but saying Crosby has had a better career than OV is just Canadian bias at this point.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Why you make this a hyperbole? I did not say his goal scoring did not have any impact. Of course it had lot of impact. But Crosby has had bigger impact. 1.12 vs 1.29. Crosby is much better but has had worse luck with injuries. Just like Lemieux was better than Messier. Lemieux just had worse luck with missing games.

Crosby makes the optimal decision on ice more often than Ovechkin. Ovechkin spams shots. Not to say it is the worst decision in any situation but even with his great shot sometimes it is not the optimal decision. That is why Crosby has more points per game.

How did Crosby make more of an impact playing less games? Your confusing “better” with “impactful.” Crosby being better than Ovechkin has nothing to do with their impacts on their team, and Crosby certainly can’t make an impact on his own team not playing, right?

No one claimed Messier was better than Lemieux, although Messier has more cups because he played more games and was able to contribute to his team, that can be said more or less, doesn’t make him better, but Messier played more games, thus contributing more, thus having the chance of making a positive impact. Basic stuff.

Again you claim hyperbole yet make such subjective and opinionated statements like “Crosby makes better decisions.” Based on what exactly? So Ovechkin shooting the puck isn’t the best decision.....even though he’s a goal scorer.....and has one of the best shots.....and has more goals than anyone.....and yet in your expertise, it’s NOT the right decision.

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[OrrNumber4]

Bobby Orr is in the top 4, so clearly there isn't too much of a premium on games played.

A way to think about is, looking at a modern lineup, the top 10 should have 6 forwards, a goalie, and 3 defensemen. Is Ovechkin one of the top 6 forwards of all time? After the obvious 3, off the top of my head, I'd still put at least Hull, Yzerman, and Crosby ahead of him.

Big picture, what hurts Ovechkin is that in a big playoff game, there are way too many guys I take over Ovechkin.

 

[Sentinel]

Lmao. That is because general public is not very smart. Just because Crosby has had worse luck with the injuries does not mean Ovechkin is better. Simple minded people..

And here comes FinRanger, a Man in White, with a 250 IQ. His feet don't touch the ground.

LMAO indeed.