Ovechkin Milestone Thread - Countdown to 894

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What's insane is he was like a day or two too old for the 2003 draft. Imagine him being a couple days younger and no 2004/2013 lockouts or Covid. If things were just normal he'd have an extra ~150 games on top of what he has now. Would be looking forward to 1000 instead of 895

Completely different reality that is impossible to predict how it plays out. It’s easy to just count up the unplayed games and then pretend exactly everything else stays the same, which is completely unrealistic.

All things considered, the timeline we’re in has to be considered one of the greatest ways his career could have played out. He’s been virtually injury free for 18 years and pots 50 regardless of age and scoring levels.
 
Would really like to see him go off in these last 9 games with 9 goals. Pretty unlikely though unless he gets like a 4 goal game or multiple multi goal games, and even then...
 
Completely different reality that is impossible to predict how it plays out. It’s easy to just count up the unplayed games and then pretend exactly everything else stays the same, which is completely unrealistic.

All things considered, the timeline we’re in has to be considered one of the greatest ways his career could have played out. He’s been virtually injury free for 18 years and pots 50 regardless of age and scoring levels.
Well he would've gone first overall to Pittsburgh and had to play as a winger to Crosby. And now everybody would hype up Crosby for everything that Ovechkin has achieved. But most likely Pittsburgh would've had 4 cups with Ovechkin on the roster. And Ovechkin would've over 90 playoff goals by now, plus a lot more regular season assists than he has as well. But he would absolutely be in the shadow of Crosby as Crosby fans would've hammered home that he's just a product of Crosby for 18 years now.

Oh and Ovechkin going injury free has nothing to do with playing for the caps. He would've been injury free everywhere else too. And Caps were only really able to surround Ovechkin with talent for like the first 5-6 years of his career. Both Green and Semin went down with injuries and Ovechkin had pretty meh teammates ever since.
 
Well he would've gone first overall to Pittsburgh and had to play as a winger to Crosby. And now everybody would hype up Crosby for everything that Ovechkin has achieved. But most likely Pittsburgh would've had 4 cups with Ovechkin on the roster. And Ovechkin would've over 90 playoff goals by now, plus a lot more regular season assists than he has as well. But he would absolutely be in the shadow of Crosby as Crosby fans would've hammered home that he's just a product of Crosby for 18 years now.

Oh and Ovechkin going injury free has nothing to do with playing for the caps. He would've been injury free everywhere else too. And Caps were only really able to surround Ovechkin with talent for like the first 5-6 years of his career. Both Green and Semin went down with injuries and Ovechkin had pretty meh teammates ever since.
The way OV played his first 5 years after entering the league, the speed, the hitting, the highlight reel goals, the tinted visor, the laces, jersey tuck, his charisma and personality, I'm fairly certain he would have put Crosby in his shadow. There's just such a contrast between the two of them personality wise. Crosby would have been the mature and stable captain and OV would have been the fan favorite.
 
Well he would've gone first overall to Pittsburgh and had to play as a winger to Crosby. And now everybody would hype up Crosby for everything that Ovechkin has achieved. But most likely Pittsburgh would've had 4 cups with Ovechkin on the roster. And Ovechkin would've over 90 playoff goals by now, plus a lot more regular season assists than he has as well. But he would absolutely be in the shadow of Crosby as Crosby fans would've hammered home that he's just a product of Crosby for 18 years now.

Oh and Ovechkin going injury free has nothing to do with playing for the caps. He would've been injury free everywhere else too. And Caps were only really able to surround Ovechkin with talent for like the first 5-6 years of his career. Both Green and Semin went down with injuries and Ovechkin had pretty meh teammates ever since.

What do I even respond to here? You read my post about how it’s a different timeline if Ovechkin plays the lost 2004-2005 season and you come back with him being drafted first by Pittsburgh in the 2004 draft which occurred before the season was canceled to begin with…then double down with Pittsburgh still landing Crosby in 2005, even though they won that pick in our reality with special procedures implemented specifically because of the lost season that would have been played in this scenario.

As to your second point, you demonstrated quite well that you don’t grasp what I’m saying, even though the core of it is a pretty basic concept that most are now familiar with due to its heavy use in modern films (Butterfly Effect, String Theory, Multiverse, etc).

Much like I don’t know how it all plays out, you don’t also don’t know happens in a reality that unfolds differently than what we’ve experienced. What seems clear though is that with Ovechkin having a very healthy successful career and knocking on Gretzky’s goal record door, I don’t see much of a point lamenting what else could have been, when the odds are that this is one of the highest marked simulations out there.

What I struggle to grasp is why anyone doesn’t realize that going left at the traffic light rather than straight one day can set you down a completely different path.
 
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What do I even respond to here? You read my post about how it’s a different timeline if Ovechkin plays the lost 2004-2005 season and you come back with him being drafted first by Pittsburgh in the 2004 draft which occurred before the season was canceled to begin with…then double down with Pittsburgh still landing Crosby in 2005, even though they won that pick in our reality with special procedures implemented specifically because of the lost season that would have been played in this scenario.

As to your second point, you demonstrated quite well that you don’t grasp what I’m saying, even though the core of it is a pretty basic concept that most are now familiar with due to its heavy use in modern films (Butterfly Effect, String Theory, Multiverse, etc).

Much like I don’t know how it all plays out, you don’t also don’t know happens in a reality that unfolds differently than what we’ve experienced. What seems clear though is that with Ovechkin having a very healthy successful career and knocking on Gretzky’s goal record door, I don’t see much of a point lamenting what else could have been, when the odds are that this is one of the highest marked simulations out there.

What I struggle to grasp is why anyone doesn’t realize that going left at the traffic light rather than straight one day can set you down a completely different path.
Well I kind of followed the response to the post you were responding to, were Ovechkin was a few days too old for the 2003 draft. He would've been taken by Pittsburgh in thaty draft instead of Fleury. I was more going by a timeline were the cutoff for the draft was later than it is now and everything else stays the same. Ovi stays in russia for the 2003-04 season and the 2004-05 lockout still happen. Then we get Ovechkin and Crosby on the same team, but without Fleury. Pittsburgh fans have always insisted that Fleury was a weak golie and not important for the cup wins, so we can assume that Pittsburgh does just as well in the playoffs with another goalie.

And Ovechkin as a player was pretty much set in stone by the start of his NHL career in 2005-06. His genetics won't change so he'll still be injury proof and have the same shooting ability. I'm pretty sure we can agree that it's the players around Ovechkin that has been holding him back the most. Ovechkin has shown that he can score in the regular season on his own as he has 41 goals this season on a terrible team. But he needs a good team to rack up more assists and have more playoff success, which he's been lacking through most of his career.
 
Well I kind of followed the response to the post you were responding to, were Ovechkin was a few days too old for the 2003 draft. He would've been taken by Pittsburgh in thaty draft instead of Fleury. I was more going by a timeline were the cutoff for the draft was later than it is now and everything else stays the same. Ovi stays in russia for the 2003-04 season and the 2004-05 lockout still happen. Then we get Ovechkin and Crosby on the same team, but without Fleury. Pittsburgh fans have always insisted that Fleury was a weak golie and not important for the cup wins, so we can assume that Pittsburgh does just as well in the playoffs with another goalie.

And Ovechkin as a player was pretty much set in stone by the start of his NHL career in 2005-06. His genetics won't change so he'll still be injury proof and have the same shooting ability. I'm pretty sure we can agree that it's the players around Ovechkin that has been holding him back the most. Ovechkin has shown that he can score in the regular season on his own as he has 41 goals this season on a terrible team. But he needs a good team to rack up more assists and have more playoff success, which he's been lacking through most of his career.

Thanks for the clarification on how Ovechkin ends up paired with Crosby on Pittsburgh.

Still don’t agree that things can’t play out differently or only better in such a scenario, so we’re at a standstill there, but sometimes that’s how it goes on here.
 
There’s room for more than one big star on a team. If anything Crosby and Ovechkin would enhance each others profile rather than a situation where one overshadows the other.

Florida also had the first overall and traded it to Pitt in 03. I doubt they do that if Ovechkin is there.
 
With regards to pure goal scoring, he's the best there ever was

If you can just stand in one spot for 90 seconds waiting for the puck, and every single player on the planet knows what you're going to do when you get it, yet you still rifle it home time and time again, that's just bonkers

That's not the majority of his goals or anywhere close.
 
That's not the majority of his goals or anywhere close.

Using only Ovi’s 518 ES goals, he would be T39th all time for total goals currently. He’s currently 4th all time ES goals, will pass Jagr next year for 3rd, and has a shot at catching Howe for 2nd.

I’m sure there’s a website that tracks the number of “Ovi office PP goals” but I don’t have it. I’m guessing if you remove all of them, he’d still finish close to Top 10 all time.
 
Completely different reality that is impossible to predict how it plays out. It’s easy to just count up the unplayed games and then pretend exactly everything else stays the same, which is completely unrealistic.

All things considered, the timeline we’re in has to be considered one of the greatest ways his career could have played out. He’s been virtually injury free for 18 years and pots 50 regardless of age and scoring levels.
I dunno about the whole 03 draft going to Florida thing of it all... but certainly the Lockouts/COVID shortages have not been beneficial to his career goal count in any way. Don't think it's fair to sort of imply or whatever that there's any universe balancing factors at play based on his lack of major injuries. That's been a major strength of Ovechkin's throughout his career. Man is built like a tank.
 
With his 42nd goal, powerplay on the road, OV padded his two all-time records:
powerplay goals +25
road goals +17

-72 from the main one

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Another record for him to put on his mantle.

One day we gotta dig up those 2016/2017 threads that stated he was done as an elite player, wouldn't come close to the goals record, should go back to the KHL etc.

I think it was back in 2011 when some sports writer said that Ovechkin and the Caps would both be better off, if OV just goes back to KHL.
 
What do I even respond to here? You read my post about how it’s a different timeline if Ovechkin plays the lost 2004-2005 season and you come back with him being drafted first by Pittsburgh in the 2004 draft which occurred before the season was canceled to begin with…then double down with Pittsburgh still landing Crosby in 2005, even though they won that pick in our reality with special procedures implemented specifically because of the lost season that would have been played in this scenario.

As to your second point, you demonstrated quite well that you don’t grasp what I’m saying, even though the core of it is a pretty basic concept that most are now familiar with due to its heavy use in modern films (Butterfly Effect, String Theory, Multiverse, etc).

Much like I don’t know how it all plays out, you don’t also don’t know happens in a reality that unfolds differently than what we’ve experienced. What seems clear though is that with Ovechkin having a very healthy successful career and knocking on Gretzky’s goal record door, I don’t see much of a point lamenting what else could have been, when the odds are that this is one of the highest marked simulations out there.

What I struggle to grasp is why anyone doesn’t realize that going left at the traffic light rather than straight one day can set you down a completely different path.
Dude...you're responding to Mulletman. In HF forums, this means you're getting Rickrolled.. :laugh:
 
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