Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[Frosty415]

I never said that. Put on your reading glasses.

I said he had the same rates in the dead puck era, going 69 in 70 in 95-96 and 35 in 43 in 00-01. Those are similar goal scoring rates as what he had in the 80's and early 90's.

You keep using the dead puck era as a reference multiple times in this thread as a way to descredit OV.

The fact remains, Lemieux scored most of his goals in the highest scoring era in NHL history, OV did not have that, and the fact that he's closing in on records by two of the greatest players of all time, it's a huge accomplishment and deserves a ton of credit and it's pretty exciting to see in our lifetimes.

But yeah, keep on hating.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Example: Ovy was 36 last year, playing in a much more productive league than when Lemieux was the same age In 00-01. Guess who flat out beats the other in goals per game despite playing in a less productive league? Also, less we mention all the freebie empty netters thst just widens the gap.

No doubt Lemieux had one nice half season after age 31 while he was playing with the best player in the world on his line (who outscored him in the games he bothered to play in).

Ovie was the Hart favorite at the half way mark of his age 36 season.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You keep using the dead puck era as a reference multiple times in this thread as a way to descredit OV.

I'm not discrediting Ovy. That's your own creation based on some childish fanboy propensity to see any critical thought as an attack.

Relax, calm yourself, take a breather, I think what Ovy did his tremendous and is a top 3 goal scorer in the histoty of the game, but I personally think he's not the very best, so please refrain from needlessly making claims about me that you are entirely clueless about. Arguing one is better than the other doesn't mean one is discrediting the other. Full stop.

The fact remains, Lemieux scored most of his goals in the highest scoring era in NHL history, OV did not have that, and the fact that he's closing in on records by two of the greatest players of all time, it's a huge accomplishment and deserves a ton of credit and it's pretty exciting to see in our lifetimes.

But yeah, keep on hating.

I'm not even hating. What age are you ffs?

Saying I think Lemieux is the better goal scorer doesn't discredit what Ovy did.

You're simply looking at goal totals and eras, yet I've showed you instance where Lemieux scores at a higher rate in a season where goalscoring was similar to what Ovy got ladt year, at the same age. This should give you pause. Yes Ovy is accomplishing quite a milestone, but that doesn't automatically make him the best goal scorer of all time. It's highly debatable, so no need to get your hundies in a bunch and playing the victim.

 

[Frosty415]

I'm not discrediting Ovy. That's your own creation based on some childish fanboy propensity to see any critical thought as an attack.

Relax, calm yourself, take a breather, I think what Ovy did his tremendous and is a top 3 goal scorer in the histoty of the game, but I personally think he's not the very best, so please refrain from needlessly making claims about me that you are entirely clueless about. Arguing one is better than the other doesn't mean one is discrediting the other. Full stop.


I'm not even hating. What age are you ffs?

Saying I think Lemieux is the better goal scorer doesn't discredit what Ovy did.

You're simply looking at goal totals and eras, yet I've showed you instance where Lemieux scores at a higher rate in a season where goalscoring was similar to what Ovy got ladt year, at the same age. This should give you pause. Yes Ovy is accomplishing quite a milestone, but that doesn't automatically make him the best goal scorer of all time. It's highly debatable, so no need to get your hundies in a bunch and playing the victim.

You came here flexing Lemieux, in an OV thread, you were 100% trying to discredit him.

Everyone knows Lemieux is arguably the #1 player to ever play this game, I definitely rank him above Wayne when comparing eras.

Longevity is nothing to be scoffed at, OV is the best goal scorer in history when his career is done.

and why do you keep bringing up ages? That's how I know you have no argument.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You came here flexing Lemieux, in an OV thread, you were 100% trying to discredit him.

Everyone knows Lemieux is arguably the #1 player to ever play this game, I definitely rank him above Wayne when comparing eras.

Longevity is nothing to be scoffed at, OV is the best goal scorer in history when his career is done.

and why do you keep bringing up ages? That's how I know you have no argument.

No, I was simply reacting to another poster who was talking about Brett Hull.

Scroll back, re-read, hone-up to your mistake and stop trying to portray something that is simply not true.

Also realize that the poster I quoted in my first post @NORiculous, who was saying Hull is the best scorer, is a poster I know from my own board, the Habs, and was simply arguing with him on who's the best goal scorer in history.

Stop the victim act cuz soon it will border on trolling.

Saying I have no argument is also false. I've repeated twice something that proves you its debatable. 00-01 Lemieux vs 21-22 Ovy, yet you keep ignoring it. That sample offers very similar league-wide factors, and Lemieux beats Ovy in GPG in that instance.

 

[WarriorofTime]

people really think the entire 1990s was the "dead puck era"

Lemieux scored 31 powerplay goals in 1995-96, that ain't "dead puck", that same season Jagr scored 20 powerplay goals for the Penguins. The season Ovechkin scored his high watermark of 25 powerplay goals, the next highest Capital scored 8 powerplay goals.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

No doubt Lemieux had one nice half season after age 31 while he was playing with the best player in the world on his line (who outscored him in the games he bothered to play in).

Ovie was the Hart favorite at the half way mark of his age 36 season.

I watched those games and I bet you didn't because if you did, you wouldn't say that. Lemieux's passing, shooting and zone control were as crisp as ever and changed his game to control and slowdown the play and helped Jagr just as much as Jagr helped Lemieux.

Crazy, discounting scoring 69 in 70 in a similar scoring rate as today, but yeah it was all Jagr.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

people really think the entire 1990s was the "dead puck era"

Lemieux scored 31 powerplay goals in 1995-96, that ain't "dead puck", that same season Jagr scored 20 powerplay goals for the Penguins. The season Ovechkin scored his high watermark of 25 powerplay goals, the next highest Capital scored 8 powerplay goals.

It's not at the peak of the dead puck era, but it was already started.

FFs i was there and watched the entirety of it. Scoring started going down around 93.

And anyway you want to slice it, 95-96 has about the same scoring rate as today and he scored 69 in 70.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's not at the peak of the dead puck era, but it was already started.

FFs i was there and watched the entirety of it. Scoring started going down around 93.

And anyway you want to slice it, 95-96 has about the same scoring rate as today and he scored 69 in 70.

You're just wrong, man, take the L. It's not that hard to admit that you were mistaken in your statement, you don't have to double and triple down on it. Lemieux played the bulk of his career in a very easy to score goals era. That's not criticism or hate, it's just fact.

Nobody calls 2022-23 a difficult to score in season, lol. That's why Ovechkin is still scoring goals at a 0.5666 GPG rate despite not being anywhere close to his prime. It's just you out here pretending the non-stop powerplay circus in 95-96 was the "dead puck era"

 

[Roshi]

Ovie just trolling the trolls now

3 to go for #800!! 6 games until christmas, can he get past Howe before santa comes??

Would be cool if he breaks the 800 on the 23.rd and then passes Howe 31st to kickstart the new year.

 

[Zuluss]

Ovechkin is just trolling haters right now.
4 ENGs in a row have to be some record too.

 

[SovietWings]

This is just hillarious..
Is it the "most consecutive ENG" record already or he needs to continue the streak?

 

[TheBeard]

It's not at the peak of the dead puck era, but it was already started.

FFs i was there and watched the entirety of it. Scoring started going down around 93.

And anyway you want to slice it, 95-96 has about the same scoring rate as today and he scored 69 in 70.

What is the point of all of this? It’s a thread about Ovi and his accomplishments. Why the need to come here and go on a crusade for Lemieux?

 

[Demandedace]

You got 5, eh? On pace for beating the old empty net record with 3-4 goals at least! Only need 4 more the rest of the season to beat his new set record from last season.

And just watch you continue to SOB about it lmao

 

[jetsforever]

This empty-net cherrypicking is getting ridiculous.

 

[Frosty415]

This empty-net cherrypicking is getting ridiculous.

"Cherrypicking"

 

[Hanji]

But, but, but.. He’s not breaking the record the ‘right’ way!


unfortunately, the closer Ovi gets to the record the more haters will come out of the woodwork.

 

[Signupnow]

Of course he will want to hold the record for eng as well as every other.

 

[tny760]

"Cherrypicking"

man, refs really just wanted to go home huh?

props to ovi for capitalizing but that's a hook and a slash on entry all day long

 

[vippe]

I heard from trustworthy sources, Ovechkins gonna score another ENG tonight just to spite all his detractors who tries their hardest to diminish a soon to be 800 goal scorer.

You really need to get over yourself.

Have to quote my post from yesterday because in hindsight it was 100% right lol.

 

[Video Nasty]

Based off his current season pace, he is scheduled to pass Howe at home versus Montreal on 12/31 in the third period.

 

[Deen]

Based off his current season pace, he is scheduled to pass Howe at home versus Montreal on 12/31 in the third period.

This guy maths.

 

[24 others]

This empty-net cherrypicking is getting ridiculous.

Of course you put Ovechkin out to defend against an empty net. Dude is a walking Selke trophy

 

[Mulletman]

This is just hillarious..
Is it the "most consecutive ENG" record already or he needs to continue the streak?

Not sure if it is the record. 4 empty net goals in a row without a regular goal is impressive. Hard to imagine anybody got 5 in a row. This is the kind of hockey knowledge that is hard to get. Maybe @Big Phil knows if anybody has managed to score 5 empty net goals in a row?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

He'll break it because he'll get all the EN goal attempts. No one else even tries for them for the Caps anymore.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it's what it is.

Funny how you said the same thing the last game, but then went quiet when I mentioned Eller scored an ENG. Stop embarrassing yourself, it's just sad at this point.