Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

Zuluss

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Given his usage versus his production it's broke.

But reality is tough for some and like I said it's going to be a very long 2 years chasing that record.

Is that some sort of way to cope with the fact that Ovechkin's age 36 season (4th in goals, top20 in points) seems to be better than Crosby's age 36 season (currently top20 in goals, top30 in points)? :P

Yes, Ovechkin is not passing a new name every week on any goals list, but that's because he has already passed pretty much everyone. He tops the all-time list in PPG, 1st goals, road goals, game-tying goals, etc. So every time Ovechkin scores a goal on PP, he sets a new all-time career record. It is sort of tired to bring that up every time, but still, if a swimmer or a high-jumper was setting a new world record on a weekly basis, everyone would be ecstatic. Ovechkin and his career are just so unusual that we got used to that.
 

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Is that some sort of way to cope with the fact that Ovechkin's age 36 season (4th in goals, top20 in points) seems to be better than Crosby's age 36 season (currently top20 in goals, top30 in points)? :P
No Ovechkin looked like a guy not deserving his TOI and usage very early on and Ovi's age 36 season looks better on the surface due to a smoking hot start in a Coivid hangover year then he was his usual self for the rest of the year goals but little else.
Yes, Ovechkin is not passing a new name every week on any goals list, but that's because he has already passed pretty much everyone. He tops the all-time list in PPG, 1st goals, road goals, game-tying goals, etc. So every time Ovechkin scores a goal on PP, he sets a new all-time career record. It is sort of tired to bring that up every time, but still, if a swimmer or a high-jumper was setting a new world record on a weekly basis, everyone would be ecstatic. Ovechkin and his career are just so unusual that we got used to that.
It's not that he isn't passing names it's the lack of goals except for a brief flurry.

18 goals given his usage is really bad and I'm not going to waste my time looking at all the preseason predictions but some here are still thinking he can rebound to 30 or 40 goals next year is like really comeonman.

Count the goals, heck count the assists but don't BS us on how his actual play is (really freaking poor).
 
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Who should be receiving his ice time in your opinion?
Basically anyone at this point if the goals chase wasn't on or do you think he has been worthy of top 3 forwards PP TOI in the league?

At ES he is a huge liability out there.

But the goals record......

Maybe he gets an empty netter tonight?
 
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OK, so his production isn't fantastic and he's a liability at ES. So what? Is he taking a spot from someone that would push Washington into the playoffs, make it a threat in the postseason? It's an aging team, it's headed for a rebuild, it might get lucky and scratch out a playoff spot at some point and then get waxed in 5. Whatever. Enjoy the moment, let him have his chance.

Sometimes, sports isn't all about "either he's productive, or he can GTFO." Pete Rose after 1981 was a .261 hitter who, when you look at all the esoteric stats, probably shouldn't have been in the lineup; he still got to play most of the next 5 years to get another 551 hits so he could finally pass Ty Cobb on the all-time hits list because it gave us all joy, even if in those last 2 years someone semi-decent might have given the Reds a shot at the NL West and the playoffs. No one cared. It's Charlie Hustle, he's gotta record to break, we might never see anyone get there again, let the guy have his chance.

Michael Jordan was objectively poor his 2 years in Washington. No one cared, it was nostalgia. Look there's Michael ... gah, he normally would have hit that shot, wouldn't have been beaten on that dribble, I know he's putting up points but this is a little tough to watch, ... it didn't matter. We knew Jordan wasn't in his prime, wasn't great, getting worse. We still enjoyed it, celebrated moments, remembered the good times. We didn't look at his last 3,000 points and passing Wilt on the all-time scoring list and say yeah, but ... this is getting cheap, this would be better if ...

Gordie Howe was 51, 52 playing in Hartford with his kids; I know that was pre-social media, I can just hear people already, the f*** is Howe doing out there, I know he's great but my god the game has passed him by, he's slow as shit, that's all he's doing and the team sucks ass, is he really just hanging on for 800 goals?, retire already and put someone else in. Who cares? He's having fun, the team is having fun, fans are enjoying it, Hartford isn't turning into some 101-point juggernaut if he's not out there, they're still getting swept by Montreal in the opening round and it's still not really close.

It's a game. Ovechkin's chasing a record. It's not hurting you, quit complaining about your feelings being hurt. We thought Lemieux might give Gretzky's record a run, thought Hull would give it a run, thought Jagr might give it a run, ... no one's done it. We think Matthews or McDavid or others might give it a run; there's no guarantee they do it either. Ovechkin is giving it a run. Don't nitpick the shit out of it because he's getting dogged 5v5 some nights and needs 3, 4, 5 extra shots to finally notch a goal. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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He wasn't. Spamming zillion assists behind the net is no longer possible, because today any player popping out there like a champagne cork



I’ve heard “it’s no longer possible” so many times. I’ve yet to see it prove true.

Yes, it is possible. The player has to be good enough. There hasn’t been a Gretzky since Gretzky.
 

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No Ovechkin looked like a guy not deserving his TOI and usage very early on and Ovi's age 36 season looks better on the surface due to a smoking hot start in a Coivid hangover year then he was his usual self for the rest of the year goals but little else.

In 2021/22, Ovechkin was giving McDrai a run for their money up until the last week of January. He was literally leading the league in goals and points and he definitely was in the Hart conversation for the first half of that season. Then the 36-old Ovechkin slowed down, which was natural at his age - but he did not slow down that season to 3 points in 13 games or whatever.
To say that someone keeping pace with McDavid "is not deserving his TOI" is laughable.
 

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OK, so his production isn't fantastic and he's a liability at ES. So what? Is he taking a spot from someone that would push Washington into the playoffs, make it a threat in the postseason? It's an aging team, it's headed for a rebuild, it might get lucky and scratch out a playoff spot at some point and then get waxed in 5. Whatever. Enjoy the moment, let him have his chance.

Sometimes, sports isn't all about "either he's productive, or he can GTFO." Pete Rose after 1981 was a .261 hitter who, when you look at all the esoteric stats, probably shouldn't have been in the lineup; he still got to play most of the next 5 years to get another 551 hits so he could finally pass Ty Cobb on the all-time hits list because it gave us all joy, even if in those last 2 years someone semi-decent might have given the Reds a shot at the NL West and the playoffs. No one cared. It's Charlie Hustle, he's gotta record to break, we might never see anyone get there again, let the guy have his chance.

Michael Jordan was objectively poor his 2 years in Washington. No one cared, it was nostalgia. Look there's Michael ... gah, he normally would have hit that shot, wouldn't have been beaten on that dribble, I know he's putting up points but this is a little tough to watch, ... it didn't matter. We knew Jordan wasn't in his prime, wasn't great, getting worse. We still enjoyed it, celebrated moments, remembered the good times. We didn't look at his last 3,000 points and passing Wilt on the all-time scoring list and say yeah, but ... this is getting cheap, this would be better if ...

Gordie Howe was 51, 52 playing in Hartford with his kids; I know that was pre-social media, I can just hear people already, the f*** is Howe doing out there, I know he's great but my god the game has passed him by, he's slow as shit, that's all he's doing and the team sucks ass, is he really just hanging on for 800 goals?, retire already and put someone else in. Who cares? He's having fun, the team is having fun, fans are enjoying it, Hartford isn't turning into some 101-point juggernaut if he's not out there, they're still getting swept by Montreal in the opening round and it's still not really close.

It's a game. Ovechkin's chasing a record. It's not hurting you, quit complaining about your feelings being hurt. We thought Lemieux might give Gretzky's record a run, thought Hull would give it a run, thought Jagr might give it a run, ... no one's done it. We think Matthews or McDavid or others might give it a run; there's no guarantee they do it either. Ovechkin is giving it a run. Don't nitpick the shit out of it because he's getting dogged 5v5 some nights and needs 3, 4, 5 extra shots to finally notch a goal. Enjoy it while it lasts.

We can enjoys sports in different ways and having positive feelings towards every player or team is just one of them. You can have an "enjoy it while it lasts"- attitude towards the successes of rival teams or players you dislike. I'll cheer against them every step of the way and that will give me enjoyment. It's just sports.
 

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He wasn't. Spamming zillion assists behind the net is no longer possible, because today any player popping out there like a champagne cork


You can't seriously bring up hitting as a reason for why it would be harder to score now? That's among the worst takes I have ever read on these boards. Clue: There is barely any hitting left in the game.

Rempe's hit the other day was not only legal back in Gretzky's day, but encouraged.

I think Ovie plays one more year. Probably with some better off season training. If he performs worse next year than this, he probably calls it a day and maybe plays another year or so in Russia.
 
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Zuluss

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I think Ovie plays one more year. Probably with some better off season training. If he performs worse next year than this, he probably calls it a day and maybe plays another year or so in Russia.

Ovechkin has two years left on his contract. If he retires in one year, Caps will still be stuck with his cap hit for another year. Why would he do that to his team?
 

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In 2021/22, Ovechkin was giving McDrai a run for their money up until the last week of January. He was literally leading the league in goals and points and he definitely was in the Hart conversation for the first half of that season. Then the 36-old Ovechkin slowed down, which was natural at his age - but he did not slow down that season to 3 points in 13 games or whatever.
To say that someone keeping pace with McDavid "is not deserving his TOI" is laughable.

He wasn’t “in the Hart conversation” thru the all star break that year - he was the runaway favorite. If life had shortened that season instead of a couple years prior he’d have a 4th Hart on his mantle. At 36. Pearson probably would have been a tight vote with Ovi / McDavid / Draisatl, but Ovi would’ve won the Hart by a landslide.
 
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He wasn’t “in the Hart conversation” thru the all star break that year - he was the runaway favorite. If life had shortened that season instead of a couple years prior he’d have a 4th Hart on his mantle. At 36. Pearson probably would have been a tight vote with Ovi / McDavid / Draisatl, but Ovi would’ve won the Hart by a landslide.
While true, that's also ignoring Ovi won a Hart due to Sid taking a slapper to the face in 2013. It balances out. This game can be played several different ways.
 

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In 2021/22, Ovechkin was giving McDrai a run for their money up until the last week of January. He was literally leading the league in goals and points and he definitely was in the Hart conversation for the first half of that season. Then the 36-old Ovechkin slowed down, which was natural at his age - but he did not slow down that season to 3 points in 13 games or whatever.
Sure crosby has had a poor stretch after carrying the Pens all season long but you don't really want to play the season versus season or age versus age matchup do you?
To say that someone keeping pace with McDavid "is not deserving his TOI" is laughable.
You are confusing this season with 20-21 but that's par for the course here.

Like I said it's going to be a very long 2 seasons waiting for goals.
 

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While true, that's also ignoring Ovi won a Hart due to Sid taking a slapper to the face in 2013. It balances out. This game can be played several different ways.
While true, that's also ignoring that Ovechkin lost a Hart due to a suspension, and death in his family in 2010 where he was the clear cut best player in the league and missed 10 games. It balances out. This game can indeed be played several different ways.
 

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While true, that's also ignoring Ovi won a Hart due to Sid taking a slapper to the face in 2013. It balances out. This game can be played several different ways.

…I’m not saying Ovi was robbed of the Hart that year. I’m trying to convey how good he was in the front half of the season (what was being discussed). He certainly did not deserve the Hart after the full season was played.

The shortened season comment was more musing on how random the covid years were that Ovi could have added a Hart at 36 if covid had hit a few years later (pretty much the only way anybody that age could win one).
 
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Zuluss

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Sure crosby has had a poor stretch after carrying the Pens all season long but you don't really want to play the season versus season or age versus age matchup do you?

Nah, I will spare you, you seem upset enough. ;)

Ovechkin has aged better than Crosby despite Crosby having relatively little health issues post-30. Still, post-30 Crosby has literally nothing outside of his 100-point season (2018/19), while Ovechkin post-30 has a ton of stuff. You might say it is unfortunate timing to an extent (Crosby won his 3rd Cup right before turning 30), but a fact is a fact, Ovechkin's post-30 career is better, and that's why we are having this very lengthy thread (preceded by two more quite long ones).
 

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53 goals from the record

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