Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[wetcoast]

He skates like he has a piano on his back his shot is not a laser anymore.

If he gets there, it will be limping like a peg legged prostitute.

Watching the game today he seems completely divorced from the play out there but he will shoot and then nothing else is happening just can't see this going on for 2 years but Washington doesn't seem to mind so who knows.

 

[HuGort]

How many Ovechkin score in 3on3 or 4on4 overtime though? I imagine it's significant number. Gretzky never had that advantage.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Goal in every game since all star break!

 

[hockeykicker]

goals in 4 straight games

 

[Satan]

He is so back

 

[Drumman44]

Beyond thrilled to see Ovechkin doing well

 

[winnipegger]

Watch him score 40 again this year lol F the haters.

 

[stephenball]

People always complain about him getting ENG’s but this was a nice one.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Only 60 left for the all time goals record

 

[Firsov99]

How many Ovechkin score in 3on3 or 4on4 overtime though? I imagine it's significant number. Gretzky never had that advantage.

26. Is it a significant number?

 

[Hockey Outsider]

With two ES primary points today (yes, today's EN goal counts as even strength), Ovechkin becomes only the 9th player in NHL history to score 800 primary points (goals & primary assists) at even strength:

Player	Position	Games	ES PRIM	Per game
Wayne Gretzky	C	1,487​	1,454	0.98​
Gordie Howe	R	1,767​	1,052	0.60​
Jaromir Jagr	R	1,733​	1,015	0.59​
Mark Messier	C	1,756​	922	0.53​
Marcel Dionne	C	1,348​	899	0.67​
Steve Yzerman	C	1,514​	860	0.57​
Ron Francis	C	1,731​	815	0.47​
Phil Esposito	C	1,282​	802	0.63​
Alex Ovechkin	L	1,394​	800	0.57​

This stat isn't adjusted for era. Based on a rough calculation, Ovechkin is probably 4th all-time (possibly 5th).

A pretty good result for someone who has been called a powerplay specialist.

 

[TheBeard]

How many Ovechkin score in 3on3 or 4on4 overtime though? I imagine it's significant number. Gretzky never had that advantage.

How many HoFers did Ovi play with vs Gretz? There's always a context to be brought up one way or the other.

 

[HuGort]

26. Is it a significant number?

Well yeah, it's another season pace he is on now.

How many HoFers did Ovi play with vs Gretz? There's always a context to be brought up one way or the other.

Changed the rules right.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Uh oh, is Ovechkin ROARING back?

 

[HuGort]

Actually 4on4 and onward goals shouldn't be counted on anybody stats. It's not fair to other players. Less players on ice and stars play the full 5 minutes

 

[TheBeard]

Well yeah, it's another season pace he is on now.


Changed the rules right.

There's been a lot of rule changes since Gretz's era. Who knows how many of his goals get called back from a challenge or an offsides that was missed?

 

[Firsov99]

Well yeah, it's another season pace he is on now.


Changed the rules right.

Well, but Ovechkin has lost 107 more games than Gretzky due to lock-outs and Covid. Most of the games were lost during his prime-scoring years. Should this be a part of the hypothetical goals calculation also?

 

[WarriorofTime]

There's been a lot of rule changes since Gretz's era. Who knows how many of his goals get called back from a challenge or an offsides that was missed?

Imagine all the pucks saved by the larger pads. Who knows what Ovechkin would be at if those were never a thing.

 

[HuGort]

There's been a lot of rule changes since Gretz's era. Who knows how many of his goals get called back from a challenge or an offsides that was missed?

That's very subjective.

Overtime hockey since advent of 4on4 bloats the stats of stars.

 

[andrjusha]

OV is now all-time leader in ENG goals with 57, Gretz had 56.

60 more for Саша

 

[stephenball]

26. Is it a significant number?

Probably pretty much equal to the number of goals Gretzky scored against the handyman the team picked up off the street to cover for their usual starting goaltender who was too drunk to play.

I say that jokingly, but it’s all been gone over time and time again. Ovechkin plays in a league with better equipment and conditioning. Gretzky played with better teammates in a league with worse player parity. Both have their positives and negatives you can give and take away from them. Gretzky is the undisputed greatest player ever in the game. Ovechkin already has a very real argument for being the greatest goal scorer ever. If Ovechkin goes down as the greatest goal scorer (whether he breaks the record or not), it’s not going to change anything about Gretzky’s legacy, he will still be the greatest player of all time by miles.

 

[Firsov99]

Probably pretty much equal to the number of goals Gretzky scored against the handyman the team picked up off the street to cover for their usual starting goaltender who was too drunk to play.

I say that jokingly, but it’s all been gone over time and time again. Ovechkin plays in a league with better equipment and conditioning. Gretzky played with better teammates in a league with worse player parity. Both have their positives and negatives you can give and take away from them. Gretzky is the undisputed greatest player ever in the game. Ovechkin already has a very real argument for being the greatest goal scorer ever. If Ovechkin goes down as the greatest goal scorer (whether he breaks the record or not), it’s not going to change anything about Gretzky’s legacy, he will still be the greatest player of all time by miles.

Not taking a jab at Gretzky at all. He is the holy cow of hockey.

I simply disagree with another poster’s attempt to belittle Ovi’s achievements.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Actually 4on4 and onward goals shouldn't be counted on anybody stats. It's not fair to other players. Less players on ice and stars play the full 5 minutes

And yet the number of goals scored per game is lower in today’s NHL than it was in the 80s in spite of 3 vs 3 OT.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

OV krasavits!

 

[TheBeard]

That's very subjective.

Overtime hockey since advent of 4on4 bloats the stats of stars.

That's subjective? No, there were no coaches challenges nor did they have the technology to enforce the ridiculous stinginess of offsides nowadays not to mention goaltender interference wasn't even a thing (introduced in 91-92).