Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[vpasla1]

He's Just Doing His Job

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He'd already have the record if Montreal didn't break him for 3 years in 2010

 

[Zuluss]

While Ovechkin did not tie Howe in career goals tonight, he did tie Orr in career assists.

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

Props to Ovi. Incredible goal scorer. One of the greatest to ever do it.

I don't want to take anything away from him, he deserves all the recognition.

One small thing though, let's not talk about Gretzky like there wasn't 2 versions of him. Early thirties while playing in the 90s he had major back problems. He wasn't the same player, there's no getting around that. It is what it is. So when talking about the back half of his career, acknowledge that it was going as far as being said that he may never play again before he decided to give the NHL another 7ish years.

Yup. I do wonder how many goals Suter cost him?
Sure he was already slowing down but not that drastically.

 

[GrizzGreen]

best scorer of all time AINEC. Add that to the hits and you just have an absolute joy to watch

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Yup. I do wonder how many goals Suter cost him?
Sure he was already slowing down but not that drastically.

I'm going with zero.

There's nothing to really indicate anything other than age and a less favorable goal scoring environment slowed him down.

His goal scoring had been dropping off steadily for 3-4 seasons and that trend simply continued.

 

[shtorm2005]

 

[TJHKY]

 

[StreetHawk]

Yup. I do wonder how many goals Suter cost him?
Sure he was already slowing down but not that drastically.

Wayne’s goal scoring pace did drop after that.
Ovy also lost a full season and a half to work stoppages plus missed out on the 03-04 season by a couple of days due to his birthday. But would he have been as good as a Fla Panther if he was eligible for 2003 draft if he was born a couple of days earlier?

 

[andrjusha]

GG yesterday, no goals by OV but he got 5 SOGs and now has 6200 career shots, just 9 behind Bourque's 6209 for the 1st.

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[Nasti]

Remember, Gretzky broke Howe’s record at the age of 33. Once the chase was over, his goal scoring slowed down considerably. If Ovechkin passes 99, I bet his pace drops off quite a bit after that.

 

[Fantomas]

Remember, Gretzky broke Howe’s record at the age of 33. Once the chase was over, his goal scoring slowed down considerably. If Ovechkin passes 99, I bet his pace drops off quite a bit after that.

Gretzky's goalscoring began slowing down much earlier than that.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Remember, Gretzky broke Howe’s record at the age of 33. Once the chase was over, his goal scoring slowed down considerably. If Ovechkin passes 99, I bet his pace drops off quite a bit after that.

I expect him to leave the ice mid game and go home forever after passing 99 to be honest

 

[Sentinel]

How do you assemble a cap compliant roster with prime Gretzky, Coffey, Messier, Kurri and Anderson? The Oilers were stacked, that’s how they won 4 Cups in 5 years.

Gretzky alone would command max salary, which is $16.5M under the current CBA.

They were all on entry-level contracts and won four Cups on entry-level contracts (or their 80s equivalents). As soon as they became too expensive, Edmonton started to ship them all out, one by one.

Not even close.

Gretzky is the best ever, but the run and gun 1980s suited his style of play perfectly. It was the perfect storm.

If Gretz played today he'd be winning league scoring titles by a considerable margin; but not to the extent he did back in the day where he had more assists than the next highest player had points.
No way.

Evidence? Anything to refute my points?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Lol anyone watching the 1st period intermission on CBC/Sportsnet? Instead of celebrating OV's accomplishment of 800 goals, it turns into "well he's out there cheating for offense", "Stamkos transformed into a 200ft player, OV never did", "if he changed it might have led to more cups". As a Canadian, it's absolutely embarrassing how OV is viewed/portrayed here. Like wtf does Stamkos have to do with anything? I guarantee if Stamkos, or any other Canadian, hit 800 goals then everyone here would have wet pants. I usually never pull the "xenophobia" card but man it was just embarrassing. Honestly reminded me of some people in this thread. Sad and embarrassing.

 

[HofT]

Lol anyone watching the 1st period intermission on CBC/Sportsnet? Instead of celebrating OV's accomplishment of 800 goals, it turns into "well he's out there cheating for offense", "Stamkos transformed into a 200ft player, OV never did", "if he changed it might have led to more cups". As a Canadian, it's absolutely embarrassing how OV is viewed/portrayed here. Like wtf does Stamkos have to do with anything? I guarantee if Stamkos, or any other Canadian, hit 800 goals then everyone here would have wet pants. I usually never pull the "xenophobia" card but man it was just embarrassing. Honestly reminded me of some people in this thread. Sad and embarrassing.

Yea that was bad. Comparing to Stamkos instead of giving props to Ovechkin's for his accomplishment that only 2 other players in NHL history have done is very disrespectful.

 

[ViD]

Caps need to slow down, at this rate, Ovie won’t get an ENG

 

[tarheelhockey]

I feel like a lot of people don't realize we witnessing a historic feat/player right before our eyes.

Too busy trying to tear him down with baseless nonsense, or pump him up with baseless nonsense, to just sit back and appreciate it for what it is.

 

[Dessloch]

I have heard that when Ovi comes 1 goals from 99s record they will black out the entire broadcast and just show Ovi moving on a black screen so nobody can miss whats about to happen

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

I'm going with zero.

There's nothing to really indicate anything other than age and a less favorable goal scoring environment slowed him down.

His goal scoring had been dropping off steadily for 3-4 seasons and that trend simply continued.

Zero? Cmon lol. The man had back surgery and almost retired. I'll go conservative and say 50.

 

[harmonica]

I usually don't post much during the season but had to say: how could you not love Ovie's big hit tonight?


Everyone saw it so the crowd's reaction was fantastic. Love to see it.

Link

 

[Voight]

Lol anyone watching the 1st period intermission on CBC/Sportsnet? Instead of celebrating OV's accomplishment of 800 goals, it turns into "well he's out there cheating for offense", "Stamkos transformed into a 200ft player, OV never did", "if he changed it might have led to more cups". As a Canadian, it's absolutely embarrassing how OV is viewed/portrayed here. Like wtf does Stamkos have to do with anything? I guarantee if Stamkos, or any other Canadian, hit 800 goals then everyone here would have wet pants. I usually never pull the "xenophobia" card but man it was just embarrassing. Honestly reminded me of some people in this thread. Sad and embarrassing.

Doesn't surprise me. A lot of the Canadian media has spent almost 20 years propping up Crosby and now that his contemporary Ovechkin is making a historic run at an all time record they are mad.

 

[wetcoast]

Lol anyone watching the 1st period intermission on CBC/Sportsnet? Instead of celebrating OV's accomplishment of 800 goals, it turns into "well he's out there cheating for offense", "Stamkos transformed into a 200ft player, OV never did", "if he changed it might have led to more cups". As a Canadian, it's absolutely embarrassing how OV is viewed/portrayed here. Like wtf does Stamkos have to do with anything? I guarantee if Stamkos, or any other Canadian, hit 800 goals then everyone here would have wet pants. I usually never pull the "xenophobia" card but man it was just embarrassing. Honestly reminded me of some people in this thread. Sad and embarrassing.

Funny that they actually spoke of what they have been seeing eh?

Also there is a reason you usually never pull out the "xenophobia card" and another ones comment should and doesn't change that reason does it?

 

[PlushMinus]

Funny that they actually spoke of what they have been seeing eh?

Also there is a reason you usually never pull out the "xenophobia card" and another ones comment should and doesn't change that reason does it?

If Ovechkin had never won a Cup then I would say - yep it's a big deal and it affects his legacy and his overall career achievements. (and I'm a big Caps fan and I have complained more than once that I think they should have won 2 or 3 Cups during his career).

Hundreds of players have won multiple Stanley Cups.

Only 3 players in the history of the NHL have scored 800+ goals.

 

[wetcoast]

If Ovechkin had never won a Cup then I would say - yep it's a big deal and it affects his legacy and his overall career achievements. (and I'm a big Caps fan and I have complained more than once that I think they should have won 2 or 3 Cups during his career).

Hundreds of players have won multiple Stanley Cups.

Only 3 players in the history of the NHL have scored 800+ goals.

Fair points but I guess my point is that there is a valid perception by some that Ovi cares too much about individual achievements than winning and it's not unfair to say that most other players wouldn't get the TOI and usage without the reputation which has surpassed utility compared to the past.

The race for the record is exciting but it still doesn't take away the reality that a lot of neutral observers have observed in his overall level of play.