Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

ToDavid

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Still wrong

OV has more goals then Mario and OV has been more consistent than Mario even at age 35+.

Mario did not averaged 50 goal per season after that age except for his return year.

Gretzky dropped off after the age of 31.

To be fair we can't really say what Mario would have done if not for his sickness and temporary retirement. In the four years prior to his first departure he scored 205 goals in 228 gp. If he stays healthy he's easily in the mix for the record and conceivably takes it by a decent margin.

That said, I still say OV is the best of all time because actually doing it > speculation. But I don't think it's quite as simple as comparing a handful of seasons late in their careers.
 

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Can't really fault anyone in that thread anyway. It was nearly impossible to believe Ovechkin would maintain his production for this long. That's Gordie Howe type stuff.

I'm a huge fan of Ovechkin, but every year this topic would come up and people would break down the numbers as "If he scores 50 goals x amount of times, and then drops to 40 for a couple seasons, and then is scoring in the 30s, he might get close" and I'd just think there was no way.

Now here we are. 800 goals in his career, with a couple more years left. He might actually hit 50 this year. That's insane.
Yeah. I can’t fault anyone (which includes myself) for expecting him to start regressing at some point, especially with his physical style. Its wild how here we are, in what feels like his 82nd season and he’s still right there in his usual spot near the top of the goal standings.
 

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Wow. I found he thread. It was from 2014 and at the time Ovechkin had 422 goals and was 472 goals behind Gretzky.

Will Ovechkin catch Gretzky in career goals?
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The only time in my life that I have ever seen a player singlehandedly lead a team far in the playoffs is JS Giguere in 2003 and the Ducks lost in the finals that year. Jiggy was beyond amazing most incredible goalie performance i have ever witnessed. That Ducks team had no business being in the finals.

Other than that every cup winner was a team effort. Crosby had a lot of help during those cup runs. Ovechkin had a lot of help in 2018 etc.... if you want to judge a players playoff career you have to judge how they played individually instead of how the team performed overall. So many things have to go the right away in order to get to the cup. You have to have every one step up. You have to have bounces go your way. Refs make calls in your favor at critical stages of the game. There is just so much that goes into winning those 16 games that you can not blame one player for not "leading" their team to the cup.

Its a damn shame the Thorton never won a cup. But it is not a knock on him in any shape or form. At least not in my opinion.
you make good points, I dunno maybe atleast getting one is the most important thing. and yes I remember Giguere and it was beyond incredible.

Even though you do make alot of good points, to turn the Big 4 into the Big 5 I feel like winning Championships matters. in the end most these rankings are personal preference. some will have OV part of the big 5 and others wont. will either side be right? Im sure there will be arguments to say yes or no but in the end it's all opinionated

now that I think of it I dont recall anyone really giving Sundin a hard time for never winning a cup. maybe that was more of a jab to piss him off. and yeah really is a shame Jumbo Joe couldnt get it done
 

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tbh can you blame any of them

Who would've thought a 37 year old Ovechkin is pacing for another 50 goal season. This guy defies logic and normal aging curves

It’s also worth noting that there was nothing pointing to the continued increase in scoring across the league that we’ve enjoyed over the past 6 seasons.

I don’t blame any of us, myself included, who didn’t think it was likely for Ovechkin, who had just entered his age 29 and was still not even halfway to Gretzky’s goal record by the end of it (475 goals) and continuing to play in a scoring environment of that 2.71-2.77 GPG range to break the record.

Keep in mind, we had just exited a season where there was only one scorer above 87 points (Crosby with 104) and 3 goal scorers above 40 (Ovechkin himself of course the lone 50 goal scorer).

The season of that thread would see Jaime Benn as our Art Ross leader with 87 points and a repeat of Ovechkin as the lone 50 goal scorer above just two others in the 40s. I don’t see where the optimism

It was sensible then to predict him falling short in the overall chase and I don’t think anyone in those older threads should be looked back on with smug laughter. Combine that with the 32 and 38 goals in his mid 20s, as well as 33 goals at age 31 in what still remained a lower scoring environment before the uptick we’ve been experiencing, and I don’t think it’s necessary to give anyone grief unless they’ve steadfastly held to the notion of him not breaking within the last few seasons.

Ovechkin has certainly redefined how I look at the aging process for superstars in the modern era. He’s made me think that someone like McDavid could very well be still racking up Art Rosses post 30.

Any way, hoping to see him notch two tonight to officially begin the final countdown to Gretzky.
 
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Jari Kurri, Mark Messier, Paul Coffee & Glen Anderson were really the only other recipes for success on that team. I really don't think they need Fuhr to win.

That's not really a crazy combo that would be out of cap reach imo
That’s pretty crazy tbh. A top 10 defenseman, a top 20 forward, and a top 10 winger all time? Between just Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, and Coffey you’re looking at well over 50m for 4 players in todays NHL salary.
 
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Its a damn shame the Thorton never won a cup. But it is not a knock on him in any shape or form. At least not in my opinion.
It’s a knock on him. He was on excellent teams and failed to raise his game numerous times. His playoff performances hurt his legacy and his spot in the all time rankings.
 

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It’s also worth noting that there was nothing pointing to the continued increase in scoring across the league that we’ve enjoyed over the past 6 seasons.

I don’t blame any of us, myself included, who didn’t think it was likely for Ovechkin, who had just entered his age 29 and was still not even halfway to Gretzky’s goal record by the end of it (475 goals) and continuing to play in a scoring environment of that 2.71-2.77 GPG range to break the record.

Keep in mind, we had just exited a season where there was only one scorer above 87 points (Crosby with 104) and 3 goal scorers above 40 (Ovechkin himself of course the lone 50 goal scorer).

The season of that thread would see Jaime Benn as our Art Ross leader with 87 points and a repeat of Ovechkin as the lone 50 goal scorer above just two others in the 40s. I don’t see where the optimism

It was sensible then to predict him falling short in the overall chase and I don’t think anyone in those older threads should be looked back on with smug laughter. Combine that with the 32 and 38 goals in his mid 20s, as well as 33 goals at age 31 in what still remained a lower scoring environment before the uptick we’ve been experiencing, and I don’t it’s necessary to give anyone grief unless they’ve steadfastly held to the notion of him not breaking within the last few seasons.

Ovechkin has certainly redefined how I look at the aging process for superstars in the modern era. He’s made me think that someone like McDavid could very well be still racking up Art Rosses post 30.

Any way, hoping to see him notch two tonight to officially begin the final countdown to Gretzky.
Very good point.

Ovechkin played pretty much his whole prime in a period of time that was just as low (if not technically lower) scoring than the DPE was. The fact that he's at 800 is unimaginable when you factor that in.

But without a doubt in my mind, Ovechkin still being a ~50 goal scorer today is heavily due to a large increase in scoring. 50 goals today is about the equivalent of 40 goals for quite a decent period of Ovechkin's career,
 
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99 fell off a cliff as a goal scorer by age 30.
Gretzky scored 41 goals in 1990-91 while also dishing assists to 2 players who were tied for 7th in goals. Then before the 1991-92 season, slimey Gary Suter drove him into the boards and messed up his back for good.

I'm not sure what narrative you're trying to make but he was a helluva goal scorer until his health was a major issue. Ovechkin might be better but I feel you're just talking blindly.
 

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Gretzky scored 41 goals in 1990-91 while also dishing assists to 2 players who were tied for 7th in goals. Then before the 1991-92 season, slimey Gary Suter drove him into the boards and messed up his back for good.
Gretzky stopped producing adjusted 50 G seasons at age 27.

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He was only able to score against 4 Hall of Fame goalies. Overrated

I wonder which goalie hes scored on the most; I'm sure when he retires or breaks the record someone will compile a list. It'll be an interesting one when you take into account how many goalies both debuted and retired in the span of his career.

When Messi broke Pele's record for most goals scored for a single club, Budweiser sent personalized beer bottle s to every goalie he scored on (162). Hopefully they or another company do something similar for Ovy if he breaks the record.
 
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I wonder which goalie hes scored on the most; I'm sure when he retires or breaks the record someone will compile a list. It'll be an interesting one when you take into account how many goalies both debuted and retired in the span of his career.

When Messi broke Pele's record for most goals scored for a single club, Budweiser sent personalized beer bottle s to every goalie he scored on (162). Hopefully they or another company do something similar for Ovy if he breaks the record.
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