HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: Off-Season Edition

[Frank Drebin]

Can’t believe the 2012 draft became that awful, I still remember HF Habs being in perfect harmony after that draft….one of the few times that happened

Ah man, we were set.
Galchenyuk
Dalton Thrower
Sebastien Collberg with his zero points in 45 games

Plus late round steals Tim Bozon, Brady Vail, CHARLES HUDON

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Schooner Guy]

What a shame about the mess Galchenyuk has become.

It's absolutely ridiculous for posters to blame his woes (both hockey and personal) on Habs management however. His inability to get his shit together is something way deeper than how he was managed by the Habs and much bigger than hockey.

I hope he has an epiphany sooner than later.

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

Will always love Galchenyuk for setting up Suzuki’s Game 5 winner vs the makebelifs in the Covid Bowl! I mean I don’t think you can call the guy a bust because of that alone (30 goals once, or close).

He has since fallen from grace but everyone would want redemption for the guy who can’t get out of his own way.

 

[salbutera]

What a shame about the mess Galchenyuk has become.

It's absolutely ridiculous for posters to blame his woes (both hockey and personal) on Habs management however. His inability to get his shit together is something way deeper than how he was managed by the Habs and much bigger than hockey.

I hope he has an epiphany sooner than later.

I dread to think what happens if he doesn’t ..

 

[MarkovsKnee]

You have to think Galchenyuk was under the influence. It sounds like he might have hit a car then took off, as it was a hit & run, but only property damage. They caught up with him later.

Guy needs to wake up & get himself into the NHL assistance program. He had issues when he was in Montreal, and it certainly doesn't seem like he's gotten any better.

Too bad. He could've been a player, but could never control his off-ice behavior.

 

[Schooner Guy]

You have to think Galchenyuk was under the influence. It sounds like he might have hit a car then took off, as it was a hit & run, but only property damage. They caught up with him later.

Guy needs to wake up & get himself into the NHL assistance program. He had issues when he was in Montreal, and it certainly doesn't seem like he's gotten any better.

Too bad. He could've been a player, but could never control his off-ice behavior.

Yup. Additional charges include resisting arrest and threatening/intimidating.

Fringe NHL/AHL players aren't going to be given any slack when they have incidents like this in the communities they play in. He's going to run out of teams soon.

 

[salbutera]

Yup. Additional charges include resisting arrest and threatening/intimidating.

Fringe NHL/AHL players aren't going to be given any slack when they have incidents like this in the communities they play in. He's going to run out of teams soon.

Galchenyuk turns 30 next Feb, he may have already run out of opportunities in a league hell bent on becoming younger & faster…

 

[Walksss]

I can't believe there are people blaming Galchenyuk's career trajectory on Bergevin, that is too funny. Some people are so stubborn they just cannot change their mind once it's been set.

Bergy is a monster for ruining this guys life, what a jerk haha.

 

[Scriptor]

You have to think Galchenyuk was under the influence. It sounds like he might have hit a car then took off, as it was a hit & run, but only property damage. They caught up with him later.

Guy needs to wake up & get himself into the NHL assistance program. He had issues when he was in Montreal, and it certainly doesn't seem like he's gotten any better.

Too bad. He could've been a player, but could never control his off-ice behavior.

He coulda been a contender...

...but he's just a bum.

 

[rahad]

You have to think Galchenyuk was under the influence. It sounds like he might have hit a car then took off, as it was a hit & run, but only property damage. They caught up with him later.

Guy needs to wake up & get himself into the NHL assistance program. He had issues when he was in Montreal, and it certainly doesn't seem like he's gotten any better.

Too bad. He could've been a player, but could never control his off-ice behavior.

His NHL career is over. Is kinda ironic. He started his career in the 2012-2013 season and is going to end his NHL career in the 2022-2023 (10 years after his draft).

Shame.... He had the talent to be a good top 6 forward.

 

[Mudz]

His NHL career is over. Is kinda ironic. He started his career in the 2012-2013 season and is going to end his NHL career in the 2022-2023 (10 years after his draft).

Shame.... He had the talent to be a good top 6 forward.

True. He could have been the new Newhook. Good speed, strong shot. Maybe not a center.

But Brendon Prust ruined him. Or was it his family?

 

[rahad]

True. He could have been the new Newhook. Good speed, strong shot. Maybe not a center.

But Brendon Prust ruined him. Or was it his family?

I will say both. He had bad influence in his entourage. Josh Georges did a great job with Gally. Galchenyuk needed a good mentor like Georges.

 

[Mudz]

I will say both. He had bad influence in his entourage. Josh Georges did a great job with Gally. Galchenyuk needed a good mentor like Georges.

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Yeah Georges leadership skills were underrated. I'm sure he helped Carey too.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Galchenyuk scored (or was on pace) for minimum 40 points for every season with us and was producing closer to 50 towards the end. After we traded him, he had one year of having 40 points (where half of it was from the PP) and then following years he was a tweener.

We didn't ruin him, he ruined himself.

I said it endlessly when he was here the stats showed he was incredibly sheltered. Once the training wheels came off on other teams it was obvious he couldn’t be a reliable force.

This isn’t exclusive to AG. Many teams shelter players for the good of optimizing performance but it does skew the reality of the individual.

 

[Toene]

I said it endlessly when he was here the stats showed he was incredibly sheltered. Once the training wheels came off on other teams it was obvious he couldn’t be a reliable force.

This isn’t exclusive to AG. Many teams shelter players for the good of optimizing performance but it does skew the reality of the individual.

He could've at least developed into an offensive top-6 role. He had glaring flaws but he could put it in the net.

 

[No More Subban]

really sad for chuckie. might've surrounded himself with the wrong people. i became such a big fan of him i even bought his jersey his first year. thought he was going to be a hab for a long time (like plekanec)

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don’t like speculating on things like this either. But just looking at the way Galchenyuk’s career projected, it was a pretty dramatic drop off from 2016-2018 and everything that followed after. It wouldn’t be a shock to anyone if there was something much larger at play there.

He lost his big brother on the team, Subban. He started the next season pretty well until he got injured and it all fell afterwards. I have a feeling things would've worked out differently if PK didn't get traded.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

bottom line was Galchenyuk was a mental midget

Mental midgets usually spend their time droning on the same old stuff, they repeat themselves often while using incredibly vain and shallow reductionist thought and usually are extremely ignorant of human nature.

Which is why Asian kids in general dominate STEM programs … extreme drive, work ethic, hunger, and fear of failure, the key ingredients for success in any walk of life

The three bolded are not even close to necessary when it comes to academia and other walks, unless the way you self-describe success as something other than what people would normally recognize.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yeah Georges leadership skills were underrated. I'm sure he helped Carey too.

It fits the bill as I heard he was captain in Kelowna

 

[JianYang]

In the case of AG it's not an if anymore. There was and still is out of ice issues. That was his main problem. He never was going to be a star but he easily had the skills to be a 30/60 player. I don't consider him a bad pick personally. It was one of the weakest draft ever and it's hard to predict out of ice issues.

We will never know exactly how much the off ice issues affected ag's career. The stories you hear about from the 80s and 90s are pretty insane in terms of player lifestyle off the ice.

Chelios had his fair share of off ice problems and a bum knee in Montreal but you'd never know it based on his on ice play. Corson was another valuable player but he also had his off ice problems that he tried to mask with alcohol . Richer had his battles with mental illness. It likely affected his career, but he still carved out a pretty good career overall.

On the other end of the spectrum, you had guys like Fogarty though, who just couldn't keep it together despite the immense talent.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We will never know exactly how much the off ice issues affected ag's career. The stories you hear about from the 80s and 90s are pretty insane in terms of player lifestyle off the ice.

Chelios had his fair share of off ice problems and a bum knee in Montreal but you'd never know it based on his on ice play. Corson was another valuable player but he also had his off ice problems that he tried to mask with alcohol . Richer had his battles with mental illness. It likely affected his career, but he still carved out a pretty good career overall.

On the other end of the spectrum, you had guys like Fogarty though, who just couldn't keep it together despite the immense talent.

Corson and Odelein were drinking buddies and got into a whole lot of trouble.

 

[JianYang]

Corson and Odelein were drinking buddies and got into a whole lot of trouble.

It wouldn't shock me. Corson was already getting in trouble in the 80s though when odelein was not even on the scene yet. His battles with anxiety and panic attacks during his nhl career are pretty well known. He's talked about losing his dad at a very young age, and how it affected him.

It wasn't a time where where people acknowledged these types of problems, but as much trouble as he did get into, he did also mention that pat burns was like another father for him, despite the extra headaches that he must have caused him.

 

[Kimota]

From Dubois himself on the radio Kent Hughes made no offer to Dubois

Didn’t PLD himself say Montreal had internal cap that didn’t work for him? He must’ve known what Hughes was willing to do through his agent, which means Highes knew what PLD wanted. I D they weren’t close, why would Hughes bother to make an offer? In addition, Hughes wasn’t willing to pay the price to acquire him in addition to the price PLD wanted.

Big nothing burger of a comment.

Jesus Christ this story has more twists and turns than an episode of Game of Thrones. I'm going insane over here.

I hope that whole eternal cap thing is not true. It's not like Suzuki is McDavid.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It wouldn't shock me. Corson was already getting in trouble in the 80s though when odelein was not even on the scene yet. His battles with anxiety and panic attacks during his nhl career are pretty well known. He's talked about losing his dad at a very young age, and how it affected him.

It wasn't a time where where people acknowledged these types of problems, but as much trouble as he did get into, he did also mention that pat burns was like another father for him, despite the extra headaches that he must have caused him.

Not gonna go into a lot of details how I know this, just that it's someone in the family who was involved and had to meet the Habs over this, including Patty Burns (I have a signed Pat Burns Top Set card out of it). Shane and Lile got into a lot of drunken bar fights at the tail end of the 80's and in the early 90's and authorities often had to meet officials at the forum to deal with the matters without alerting the press. The last one my relative went to was mere weeks before Shane got traded, so I guess that was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Jesus Christ this story has more twists and turns than an episode of Game of Thrones. I'm going insane over here.

I hope that whole eternal cap thing is not true. It's not like Suzuki is McDavid.

Not to state the obvious, but Dubois isn't either.