Proposal: Ottawa-Edmonton Blockbuster

[WesMcCauley]

I'd easily do it if I'm the Oilers

Even if healthy, Mcdavid won't produce more than 20 pts more than EK per season, Stone makes this deal completely lopsided, people will soon realize he's one of the best right wingers in the game.

i agree its good value for Edm but remember Mcjesus is only 19 and he is the face of Edm already and will probably be the face of the league for the next 10 years together with Sid.
Another problem for Edm is that EK would want and should get 10+ mill on his next contract. Stone probably 6+. Would be expensive for them.

 

[garyturner3]

Ottawa says no. Karlsson's value goes well beyond points and wins.

Silly proposal.

I get that this trade isn't horrible value wise, but statements like this are just completely nuts. Karlsson is the best d-man in the league and extremely valuable no doubt. Stone is getting pretty close to an elite player as well so it's a ton to give up I agree. But if you think the Sens GM would need more than 5 minutes to accept this trade offer you're kidding yourself. You can't measure what McDavid would mean for the city of Ottawa. Fans enjoy watching Karlsson for sure, but McDavid would single handedly rejuvenate the fanbase and bring in so much revenue for them.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I get that this trade isn't horrible value wise, but statements like this are just completely nuts. Karlsson is the best d-man in the league and extremely valuable no doubt. Stone is getting pretty close to an elite player as well so it's a ton to give up I agree. But if you think the Sens GM would need more than 5 minutes to accept this trade offer you're kidding yourself. You can't measure what McDavid would mean for the city of Ottawa. Fans enjoy watching Karlsson for sure, but McDavid would single handedly rejuvenate the fanbase and bring in so much revenue for them.

Karlsson + Stone is easily equal to or better than McDavid.

Not dissing McJesus, but a lot of folks are taking his 'jesus' moniker too much to heart. Karlsson IS the Senators at this point. Throwing in Stone (a legit first line player and helluva underrated player in this league)...come on. Will not happen.

We view Erik the same way Edmonton views Connor. All the yapping from other fanbases won't change that.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

You simply dont trade a player like McDavid. Even if it was Karlsson + Stone ++.

The marketability of McDavid is worth too much. The team will make a fortune with McDavid merch. He's the kind of player who lures free agents to a team that nobody wanted to sign with before (See comments from Lucic on why he signed)

 

[garyturner3]

Karlsson + Stone is easily equal to or better than McDavid.

Not dissing McJesus, but a lot of folks are taking his 'jesus' moniker too much to heart. Karlsson IS the Senators at this point. Throwing in Stone (a legit first line player and helluva underrated player in this league)...come on. Will not happen.

We view Erik the same way Edmonton views Connor. All the yapping from other fanbases won't change that.

YOU may view him that way, but I don't need inside knowledge to say without a shadow of a doubt that your ownership does not. They'd be smart enough to realize what McDavid would mean for the franchise. This guy is going to be the face of the league.

 

[Paradise*]

This makes Edmonton a better team.

It makes Ottawa worse.

 

[NyQuil]

Why don't we just admit it's not a really ideal trade given circumstances and leave it at that?

 

[Pinto Bean]

I can't be the only one who would love to see McDavid not become a superstar after seeing all these claims of guaranteed Stanley Cups within a few years, 100 Million dollars of increased revenue and putting him in the same sentence as the all time greats.

 

[Jumptheshark]

[Disclaimer: Obviously this would never happen due to the players involved, but it's the offseason, so why not? I apologise in advance if anyone is offended]

Ottawa:
Erik Karlsson
Mark Stone

Edmonton:
Connor McDavid


Reasoning:
Ottawa is not looking likely to become a contender in Karlsson's prime, so by acquiring a younger franchise player they can start rebuilding well.
Edmonton is clearly lacking on defence after Larsson, but has a stacked forward group who could be very dangerous in the next couple seasons. Karlsson could be the last piece for them to be great.
Right now Karlsson and McDavid are arguably the two most valuable assets now, with McDavid having an edge, so I added Stone to even it out and reduce the impact on the Oilers forwards.

Thoughts?

then why make the offer?

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Easy no from both sides

 

[LordNeverLose]

By the time McDavid is 26 he will have at least two cups

I wouldn't bet your house on that. They're at least 2 years from being a contender. That gives him 5 years to win 2+ Cups

 

[THall4]

Karlsson's a fantastic player.

Oilers don't do this in the slightest.

 

[THall4]

You simply dont trade a player like McDavid. Even if it was Karlsson + Stone ++.

The marketability of McDavid is worth too much. The team will make a fortune with McDavid merch. He's the kind of player who lures free agents to a team that nobody wanted to sign with before (See comments from Lucic on why he signed)

You forgot Sekera too. That's the top 2 UFA's the team has signed in the last 5-10 years, both chose the Oilers because of McDavid. Mind you if Ottawa didn't have such a cheap owner Karlsson is definitely the kind of player UFAs would sign in Ottawa to play with as well.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Makes no sense for Ottawa. Phaneuf would be a 1D and his time in Toronto showed us he is not capable of that. It would make Brassard a 3C and Pageau a 4C. Not to mention White and Brown coming in 1-2 years. Ottawa would be a mess.

As for Edmonton, this instantly solves their 1D problem, and they still have Draisatl/RNH down the middle so it likely makes them a better team overall (when you factor in Stone).

Neither team does this, but Ottawa says hell no unless Klefbom or Larsson come back the other way. It's simply not viable for them to trade Karlsson without a "replacement" dman coming back.

It's kind of like if Ottawa offered Turris for Larsson and Eberle. Edmonton doesnt need another C, and Larsson is too important to lose. It just doesnt make sense.

 

[internetdotcom]

Not a snowball's chance in you-know-where from Ottawa. We've been through all this EK-McDavid stuff before. They are similar value, where McDavid has the edge is contract and age, EK is more proven. Even if you accept that McD has more value than EK (I don't), the difference is not a young, very good, 2-way top line winger.

 

[DarthProbert]

For a McDavid proposal, this actually addresses needs pretty well. The Oilers still have Draisaitl and RNH at C, which is amazing C depth after trading your #1.

 

[JetsHomer]

then why make the offer?

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret here friend

Offers made on HFboards aren't real. None of them actually happen in real life. I know its weird but thats the secret the forum mods don't tell ya when you sign up

 

[DJJones]

If Karlsson was just coming off his 22 year old season it would be tempting.

Him at 26 six though just limits the Oilers window.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

I think Karlsson is unreal, the best offensive dman in a long time. He's a game changer, and so much fun to watch. Add in Mark Stone, who is one of the top offensive wingers in the NHL, and that's a huge package. But, any Sens fan saying NO to this deal is not seeing the big picture. McDavid has more value than any player to ever enter the league. The combination of talent/skill and hype/interest in this kid is unparalleled. The value he brings to any team has never been heard of before. Maybe he won't live up to the hype, and have the success that many are predicting for him at this point, that's a very real possibility, but right now, he has delivered, and the hype train is still on track and running smoothly.

I get that trading one of the best offensive D and top 10 winger would be a huge blow to any team when it comes to their chances of competing on the ice. But what McDavid adds, at least in the next couple years is much bigger than that. Before McDavid showed up, no one cared about the Oilers, but once he arrived, they are in the news all over the place. He's a special kid.

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

I can't be the only one who would love to see McDavid not become a superstar after seeing all these claims of guaranteed Stanley Cups within a few years, 100 Million dollars of increased revenue and putting him in the same sentence as the all time greats.

Probably not the only one, but I do think/hope that you bitter-Betty's make up the vast minority.

As for the OP, it's a pretty obvious no from Edmonton and I don't know why it's so difficult for people to disagree without feeling insulted. It's not a sleight on Karlsson or any of the +'s; you just don't trade a 19 year old generational player for a 26 year old elite player.

Does anyone actually think that trading a hypothetical 19 year old Gretzky for a 26 year old Coffey would have been a good move?

 

[Chabot84]

I think Ottawa does this... Edmonton doesn't. Would put Ottawa back into rebuild mode temporarily however but I don't think you can say no to Mcdavid even at that price. I also don't think Ottawa would be much worse without King K.. as good as he is.. he has not shown he is the key piece to a winner yet. Losing STONE would hurt more in the long run I think, and thats a bold prediction but STONE makes this deal SUPER LOPSIDED in the Oilers favour from an Ottawa point of view. (Talking strictly hockey here, not marketability of stars) You don't NEED Bobby Orr on the back end to win a cup, but you do WANT/NEED a Mcdavid. Also.. Mcdavid will turn the Oilers around on his own.. KINGK has yet to show he can lead a struggling team and turn them around.. (although I do think this will be a special year for Ottawa, but since this year hasn't happened yet.. as an Ottawa fan.. I pull the trigger on this deal and make the trade)

 

[Nordic*]

Ottawa without Karlsson would be a lesser team, than it would be WITH McDavid.

Let alone throwing Stone in there too. He's Ottawa's second best player.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Don't see either Ottawa or Edmonton doing this deal, Pretty east pass from both clubs.

 

[TT1]

If Ottawa does this trade they turn into the new Edmonton Oilers..

 

[Chabot84]

Ottawa without Karlsson would be a lesser team, than it would be WITH MacDavid.

Let alone throwing Stone in there too. He's Ottawa's second best player.

In the short term.. MAYBE... however I think we forget that losing KINGK would change our whole system and how we play.. having MCDAVID, Turris, Brassard down the middle we could easily create three potent scoring lines.. (Not to mention it actually makes one expendable to replace Stone or upgrade on D) its actually losing STONE that hurts the most in this trade for the SHORT TERM imo. You don't NEED KINGK or a Bobby Orr to win a cup, You do WANT / NEED a Mcdavid. The marketability of Mcdavid alone is worth the 2-3 season (at worst case) lost to re-tool / rebuild around him.

So far with KARLSSON leading our DEFENSE... we have been at the bottom of the league for GA / Shots Against etc., have we not?? We have missed the playoffs.. one year without him.. we made the playoffs (changed our system) I am just not convinced yet that KINGK playing the way he does = WINNER yet. He hasn't proven this? He can put up points, is flashy and fun to watch.. YES.

This Trade would make one or some of the following players expendable to help with a quick re-tool:

Turris

Brassard

Lazar

White

Brown

1st round pick

In other words: Who do you want?