Proposal: Ottawa cap floor issue

[Pez68]

The way Lucic has played since Christmas, he is certainly valuable to have at 3 million. He's still overpaid, but if we retain to the point of 3 million, we won't need to add other pieces as incentive to take him.

The thing that Melnyk might like about Lucic's contract is that his cap hit is 6, but he is only owed 4.5 per year, and I believe there is another bonus on July 1 that will affect the overall total that he is owed. I don't know how it works out in terms of what pieces go to who, but I do think that Lucic to Ottawa isn't impossible.

7 points in 19 games? I beg to differ.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Nope. Floor is $58.8M,

After trading those three and calling up players to fill roster spots they can meet it.

This year. If the upper limit goes up, so will the floor.

 

[BowDangles]

7 points in 19 games? I beg to differ.

For a team only paying 2-3mil for him after retention, a 30pt pace is fine for a guy who also brings other elements to the game.

 

[Mersss]

For a team only paying 2-3mil for him after retention, a 30pt pace is fine for a guy who also brings other elements to the game.

You mean, like being slow and drawing stupid penalties cause the guy can't hit anyone anymore?

 

[Chabot84]

It starts to get too expensive for Oil ,and any other team that needs cap help to trade for an sign one of our UFA,s...

Now if you want to get really fancy and crazy with it.. and IMO fix the Oilers so they can compete right now in one big swoop:

Sekera + Lucic*+ Spooner + RNH + Bouchard + 1st 2019 = like 19 million

for

Stone + Dzingle + Bobby Ryan = like 21 million

Oilers still have some tweaking to do to get all these players under the cap for next year but could make a run for the playoffs this year in the meantime for with a top 6 flush full of wingers.

Dzingle - Mcdavid - Pulj
Stone - Draisaitl - Ryan (Ryan and Stone have proven chemistry by the way)

Whatever mix of these 6 players works best...

Something like that... haha

Id prob start cheering for the Oilers if this happened. RNH doesn't need to get paid until our spending window starts.. or we can flip him for assets. Its a homerun for Ottawa.. but fixes Edmonton imo.

Hey man.. down 3-2 in the third in the playoffs and you need a goal?

Stone - Mcdavid - Draisaitl

TO THE RESCUE!!

 

[topshelf15]

For a team only paying 2-3mil for him after retention, a 30pt pace is fine for a guy who also brings other elements to the game.

Yeah that is still a hard move,its the term that kills it

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

I could see Dallas sending Hanzal to Ottawa if we make a trade with them. He has ongoing back issues and has only played around 7 games in the last season and a half. Good bet on him being LTIRetired.

 

[Sureves]

I could see Dallas sending Hanzal to Ottawa if we make a trade with them. He has ongoing back issues and has only played around 7 games in the last season and a half. Good bet on him being LTIRetired.

But don't LTIR contracts not count towards the floor?

 

[stempniaksen]

But don't LTIR contracts not count towards the floor?

They do, since Ottawa would be below the ceiling and wouldn't technically put him on LTIR (like they're currently doing with Mac and Gaborik).

As long as Hanzal is insured it's a deal that makes sense.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

But don't LTIR contracts not count towards the floor?

IIRC only if you put them on LTIR I believe Ottawa has MacArthur on IR and not LTIR so his cap hit counts.

 

[Sureves]

They do, since Ottawa would be below the ceiling and wouldn't technically put him on LTIR (like they're currently doing with Mac and Gaborik).

As long as Hanzal is insured it's a deal that makes sense.

IIRC only if you put them on LTIR I believe Ottawa has MacArthur on IR and not LTIR so his cap hit counts.

Ah thanks guys, I didn't realize you could do that. This definitely seems like something Melnyk would/will do.

 

[ToDavid]

If Melnyk is picking up actual salary to hit the cap floor then I'm guessing he'll want that salary on the ice for his own team. He's not going to spend money just to flip a player for picks.

Ottawa needs to fill 7 roster spots, 10 if they carry a full 23 players. It won't be that hard for them to hit the floor.

 

[Erndog]

They wont have THAT much trouble next season.

Gaborik: $4.875
MacArthur: $4.65
Condon: $1.325 (buried)
Phaneuf: $1.75M (retained)

That's $12.6M of DEAD MONEY they already have on the books next year.

Funny though but going forward AFTER next season a couple of those drop off and they only have $19.5M committed total... and not a ton of huge raises to give. Plus that's 2 cap increases in the interim.

Could be a $65M floor with a roster of $19M and mostly scrub RFA's to sign (other than Chabot and White).

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

so Darling will be playing in ottawa next year?

great shot at getting the 1st OA for the 2020 draft then.

 

[bert]

Now if you want to get really fancy and crazy with it.. and IMO fix the Oilers so they can compete right now in one big swoop:

Sekera + Lucic*+ Spooner + RNH + Bouchard + 1st 2019 = like 19 million

for

Stone + Dzingle + Bobby Ryan = like 21 million

Oilers still have some tweaking to do to get all these players under the cap for next year but could make a run for the playoffs this year in the meantime for with a top 6 flush full of wingers.

Dzingle - Mcdavid - Pulj
Stone - Draisaitl - Ryan (Ryan and Stone have proven chemistry by the way)

Whatever mix of these 6 players works best...

Something like that... haha

Id prob start cheering for the Oilers if this happened. RNH doesn't need to get paid until our spending window starts.. or we can flip him for assets. Its a homerun for Ottawa.. but fixes Edmonton imo.

Hey man.. down 3-2 in the third in the playoffs and you need a goal?

Stone - Mcdavid - Draisaitl

TO THE RESCUE!!

No way the sens do that thats brutal. Take all that garbage back while they give up Stone and Dzingel?

 

[TML1967]

If Ottawa trades Stone to Vegas, they could take Clarkson's contract back and a roster player like Holden.

Clarkson is mostly insured so that's 7m to reach the floor. Vegas wouldn't have to worry about putting him on LTIR and defer possible bonuses for Glass, Brannstrom, Gusev and Engelland. If they can get Gusev to come over they're likely to want to get rid of the Clarkson contract.

What does mostly insured mean?

 

[StreetHawk]

I think more than likely Ottawa trades for injured insured players. We'll happily toss in some picks for those guys. We don't want guys that may actually play.

I think it would be moves where the term isn’t as long. 4 more year with Lucic is a long time plus the actual cash owed.

Backes for example is owed $5 million cash with a $12 million total cap hit owing for 2 more years after his bonus is paid in July. That’s way more palatable than Lucic and his $16 million of cash and $24 million cap. Half the cap and term and 1/3 of actual cash.

There are other players like that too. But that’s assuming they waive to go to Ottawa.

Actual cash is important to them. And they also would not want to burn all 3 retention spots.

 

[Chabot84]

No way the sens do that thats brutal. Take all that garbage back while they give up Stone and Dzingel?

RNH + Bouchard (rd) + 1st 2019 is garbage?

We can flip RNH again down the road... for the same value as Stone.. its like trading Stone twice. All those garbage contracts come off the books before we contend. Including RNH (not garbage) he isn't up to be paid until our magic year of 2021 where we spend to the cap. We could keep him if we want.. imagine that.

*lucic is flipped a third team.. we retain on him.

If that's how people see the deal on the surface... that's what makes it perfect. There is going to be an equal amount of people thinking the Oilers fleeced the Sens as people thinking the Sens fleeced the Oilers... what more can you ask for?

You do realize that having bouchard in this deal will make 80% of Oilers fans say no right, let alone RNH... they are attached.

Its a trade that works for both teams. Both fan bases are prob pissed off at first.. until the dust settles.. and then everyone is happy.

Think about it.. this is a trade between 2 of the most mismanaged teams in the NHL.. there is no way they could come up with this trade, let alone execute it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You mean, like being slow and drawing stupid penalties cause the guy can't hit anyone anymore?

He's like, 4th in the league in hits right now...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The way Lucic has played since Christmas, he is certainly valuable to have at 3 million. He's still overpaid, but if we retain to the point of 3 million, we won't need to add other pieces as incentive to take him.

The thing that Melnyk might like about Lucic's contract is that his cap hit is 6, but he is only owed 4.5 per year, and I believe there is another bonus on July 1 that will affect the overall total that he is owed. I don't know how it works out in terms of what pieces go to who, but I do think that Lucic to Ottawa isn't impossible.

Since xmas is a short sample and even in that timeframe he hasn’t played up to a 3M dollar player.

Lucic is too slow for the current NHL. I don’t see anyone takingvthat contract with or without retention.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

7 points in 19 games? I beg to differ.

The bar is so low in Edm that 7pts in 19 games looks like elite production.

 

[CupInSIX]

What does mostly insured mean?

Clarkson's back will likely never allow him to play hockey again, The Columbus Dispatch reports.
It's been over 11 months since he saw any game action, and a few weeks ago his back was so stiff he couldn't even get out of bed in the morning. Clarkson is dealing with three degenerative discs in his spine, and the only surgical remedy -- having his spine fused -- would completely end any possibility of a comeback. His contract runs through the 2019-20 season but is mostly covered by insurance, so expect the 32-year-old to essentially remain a permanent resident on the Blue Jackets' long-term injury list, barring a miraculous recovery.

Blue Jackets' David Clarkson: May never play in NHL again

I'm not privy to that info but I would assume close to 5m of it is covered.

 

[CDN24]

Are people only reading half of my original post?
The point is that OTTAWA WOULD RETAIN THEN MOVE HIM ELSEWHERE.
This could all be worked out in a three way deal with Lucic signing off on the final destination.

Ottawa ends up with retained money, plus assets from Edmonton AND assets from the new destination.

Ottawa is still out of pocket for any money they retain- both the cap hit and the actual salary payment are retained. As most have said there are better options like insured LTIR or a back diving contract like Luongo's Cap hit of 5.33m for next 3 years while actual salary is $1.6M/1M/1M

 

[ManofSteel55]

The bar is so low in Edm that 7pts in 19 games looks like elite production.

Not elite. Just competent when doing so from the bottom six. Nobody is saying that he is worth his contract, but at 50%, Lucic would be earning his salary this year. That certainly isn't much to brag about of course, and it doesn't take the length of his contract into consideration.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

We have a certain 34 yo RW that ottawa could use to reach the floor.