Proposal: Ottawa cap floor issue

[TheNewEra]

Just want to remind people it cost CHI Teravainen to get rid of Bickell, and It cost FLA Crouse to get rid of Bolland.

but this is also ottawa so quantity over quality

some team will offer their next 6 7th round picks for us to take on a bad contract and Dorion will be like "I GOT 6 ASSETS"

 

[405Exit]

I read yesterday that if Ottawa trades Stone + Duchene (and possibly Dzingel) they could potentially have to take on some big money just to get to the cap floor next year.

Do you think there is a deal there to send Lucic to Ottawa then have Ottawa retain cap on Lucic and flip him somewhere else?

I think a 2-3 mil Lucic can hold some value to certain teams.

Y’all can always take on Silfverberg again. He needs a new contract this summer. Just a thought.

 

[flyers4life88]

Andrew McDonald 5m 1 more year +7th for 5th

 

[flyers4life88]

Or just take him

 

[moosemeister]

You can have Hossa

 

[Reddwit]

This makes sense too, but I don't think Detroit needs to move those contracts. Ottawa would be looking to get a sweetener for taking on those deals (like the Coyotes did with Hossa), but Detroit has no reason to add the sweetener. Looking at the Wings cap situation, they can easily hold onto Franzen for that final year since they don't really have any big raises to hand out, and they'll likely move on from Kronwall, Howard, Vanek and possibly even Nyquist - which gives them more cap cushion. However, summer of 2020 could be a little tricky for them as Mantha, Athanasiou and Bertuzzi need new deals so maybe (or maybe not?) they move the Zetterberg deal in its final year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Coyotes move the Hossa deal to Ottawa though - they have a lot of FA's to re-sign this summer, and Dvorak's extension kicks in next year.

Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate that Detroit needed to move Zetterberg or Franzen. They certainly don't. Any potential cap crunch won't come until after Zetterberg's deal expires.

Honestly, I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the Senators take on the Clarkson/Franzen contracts for an absolutely negligible price. They likely don't have many options to hit the floor if/when the big boys are moved out and other teams will know it. Dorion will be caught between a rock and a hard place and I could see them taking on one of those deals for a mid/late pick swap.

The deals with more term (Zetterberg/Hossa) might be trickier to swing, as you'd assume the Sens would be looking for some value to take those deals on.

Sir Goose is right - Detroit doesn't need to move Franzen or even Zetterberg so if getting the added sweetener is the real goal, then Detroit doesn't make sense. Hossa could though.

Like I said, I see no reason for Detroit to give up assets to move Franzen. Clarkson is a very good candidate, but I wonder if Ottawa would take Eakin as well. When Haula comes back next year, Eakin will be the odd man out at C for Vegas. He'd have one year left at $3.85M and could fit into the Sens bottom 6 (it'd be just like signing a UFA). Eakin + Clarkson for 2020 6th rd pick (SJ)?

Clarkson is a great candidate but I can't imagine Vegas is going to be so desperate to move Clarkson that they move Eakin for free. Eakin on his own has solid value and could be easily moved with just a year left on his deal, being a center, having a good season, etc. As for Clarkson, LTIRetired players with just 1 year left on their deal can be subsumed by plenty of teams given the off-season cap overage allowance.

Just want to remind people it cost CHI Teravainen to get rid of Bickell, and It cost FLA Crouse to get rid of Bolland.

Context matters.

Chicago was smack up against the cap the preceding season and had impending tagging issues come July 1st with new contracts going into effect. They didn't have all summer to negotiate a move like almost anyone else would. Also, Bickell was healthy, so whoever took him was going to have to pay him and play him. Lastly, Chicago was still poised to compete. Bickell and Shaw were basically the only two guys who would alleviate enough cap space but weren't core players. Everyone else (outside of Kruger) either made a pittance and wasn't worth the cap savings to move or was too important to the team. If Chicago really valued TT over their Cup-worthy core, I'm sure they would've moved Hammer for a sexy return (and still Shaw) instead.

Florida's situation was unique as well in that Bolland was still trying to get healthy and wasn't resigned to being on LTIR. That meant he and his $5.5M cap hit/salary were one big question mark. Whoever had Bolland had to prepare for the possibility that he was going to come off LTIR once the season started. If they valued Crouse that highly or were that concerned about Bolland's contract, they could've opted to trade Jokinen or forgo signing one of Jagr, Demers, Reimer, Yandle, et al, but they had also just come off their best season ever (6th overall) and their two young centers, Barkov and Trochek, just had huge breakout seasons. They didn't need a healthy Bolland if he ever made it back, and like Chicago, they clearly valued keeping their playoff core together.

And both teams got a 2nd + 3rd back.

Compare that to what was given up in almost any other cap dump offer and these two cases are closer to the exception than the rule.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

David Backes come on down!

 

[LukeLocomotive]

Lucic will never waive for Ottawa,the only way we can help is taking some cap then moving him on to another team predetermined by him

Wouldn't he lose his NMC once he's traded to Ottawa?

 

[DictatorTots427]

Zaitsev for Ceci lol

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Andrew McDonald 5m 1 more year +7th for 5th

Macdonald has negative value, how do you think you're moving up the draft by trading him to us?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I read yesterday that if Ottawa trades Stone + Duchene (and possibly Dzingel) they could potentially have to take on some big money just to get to the cap floor next year.

Do you think there is a deal there to send Lucic to Ottawa then have Ottawa retain cap on Lucic and flip him somewhere else?

I think a 2-3 mil Lucic can hold some value to certain teams.

Just get an older guy with a year left on his contract at a high cap hit and low money like a 6.5 mill hit and 1.25 mill in actual dollars.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Zaitsev for Ceci lol

Lol not going to happen it doesnt really help the sens it they are almost at the same cap and I am certain ceci wants a raise.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

I want Stone on the Habs.

 

[gianni]

After July 1, 2019, Loui Eriksson will be owed 9 million over 3 years, but w/ a cap hit of 6mill/year.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a report come out a week or two ago where Melnyk said he will be spending to the cap for the next few years? How are we worried s out the cap floor if he plans on spending to thr cap limit?

 

[jbeck5]

The bar is so low in Edm that 7pts in 19 games looks like elite production.

Lol pace of 28 points in 78 games...now everyone will want him.

 

[garyturner3]

There's no such thing as a real "cap floor issue". There's plenty of teams lined up to give away high cap hit, low actual dollar contracts at all times.

 

[shortfuze]

This doesn't mean Ottawa is a dumping ground for your overpaid plugs with term. Just means we'll trade for some LTIR contracts and call it a day. Maybe some veteran will sign on for 1 year this summer if we overpay him and then we have an asset to flip.

If you had the chance to be a dumping ground for a couple of years and pick up assets, you wouldn’t want to do it?

 

[stempniaksen]

If you had the chance to be a dumping ground for a couple of years and pick up assets, you wouldn’t want to do it?

Doesn't matter what I want, it's what Eugene Melnyk wants. And I strongly doubt EM wants to have to actually pay old plugs who will take spots away from our youth when he could trade for an LTIR contract and straddle the cap floor.

 

[shortfuze]

Doesn't matter what I want, it's what Eugene Melnyk wants. And I strongly doubt EM wants to have to actually pay old plugs who will take spots away from our youth when he could trade for an LTIR contract and straddle the cap floor.

Well you should probably stop referring to the team as WE than.

 

[FerrisRox]

The way Lucic has played since Christmas, he is certainly valuable to have at 3 million.

He has 7 points in 20 games since Christmas. Not sure that's "certainly valuable" as a $3 million player who can't skate.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

The way Lucic has played since Christmas, he is certainly valuable to have at 3 million. He's still overpaid, but if we retain to the point of 3 million, we won't need to add other pieces as incentive to take him.

The thing that Melnyk might like about Lucic's contract is that his cap hit is 6, but he is only owed 4.5 per year, and I believe there is another bonus on July 1 that will affect the overall total that he is owed. I don't know how it works out in terms of what pieces go to who, but I do think that Lucic to Ottawa isn't impossible.

Let me get this straight.

You want to have 3 million in dead cap space for the Oilers over five years.

Then you admit that Lucic is good value at 3 mil. IOW, they will have a hard time finding a 3 mil player as good as he is right now and it would most certainly take assets to gain one.

Sounds illogical to me. Sounds like an emotional move.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

He has 7 points in 20 games since Christmas. Not sure that's "certainly valuable" as a $3 million player who can't skate.

He's top 5 in the league in hits. Slow players can't get there fast enough to accumulate that number of hits.

Watch a game. He is noticeably quicker this year.

 

[tmg]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a report come out a week or two ago where Melnyk said he will be spending to the cap for the next few years? How are we worried s out the cap floor if he plans on spending to thr cap limit?

Not "for the next few years". For their planned competitive window, which is NOT the immediate. In the immediate they won't be spending to cap while rebuilding.

"the team will plan to spend close to the NHL’s salary cap every year from 2021 to 2025"

Of course that also runs contrary to the Lucic concept. If they want to spend close to cap from 2021, they actually intend to have players earning that money to make a competitive team here in that window, NOT have players being paid a portion of Ottawa's cap to not-play-here.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Not "for the next few years". For their planned competitive window, which is NOT the immediate. In the immediate they won't be spending to cap while rebuilding.

"the team will plan to spend close to the NHL’s salary cap every year from 2021 to 2025"

Of course that also runs contrary to the Lucic concept. If they want to spend close to cap from 2021, they actually intend to have players earning that money to make a competitive team here in that window, NOT have players being paid a portion of Ottawa's cap to not-play-here.

Ahhh gotcha. My bad. I missed the 2021-2025 part. I thought it was starting next season.

Carry on and ignore my post