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Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

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Do we have any knowledge, or failing that some informed speculation, on the nature of MacKenzie's injury and a possible timeline?
 
September 2024

Pinelli Gardner Dever
Gerrior(OA) Foster Kelly
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton/Yanni 1st rd draft pick
Houben

Mews Marelli
Brady Mayich (OA)
Horner Dietsch
draft pick Sirman (OA)

MAcK
Michelone (OA)
Nelson

I added Mich simply because he is on the team and is at this point avail for next year.

The OA that are safe to start are Gerrior and Mayich. But if the right offer comes through and we can find a player to play in their place, they would be avail.

Going into next year, we need to draft a Scoring center, a RH D, and a winger RW with size.
 
beastintheeast said:
September 2024

Pinelli Gardner Dever
Gerrior(OA) Foster Kelly
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton/Yanni 1st rd draft pick
Houben

Mews Marelli
Brady Mayich (OA)
Horner Dietsch
draft pick Sirman (OA)

MAcK
Michelone (OA)
Nelson

I added Mich simply because he is on the team and is at this point avail for next year.

The OA that are safe to start are Gerrior and Mayich. But if the right offer comes through and we can find a player to play in their place, they would be avail.

Going into next year, we need to draft a Scoring center, a RH D, and a winger RW with size.
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Too early for this, Mack is an OA and Stonehouse is better than 50% to return IMO.
 
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beastintheeast said:
September 2024

Pinelli Gardner Dever
Gerrior(OA) Foster Kelly
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton/Yanni 1st rd draft pick
Houben

Mews Marelli
Brady Mayich (OA)
Horner Dietsch
draft pick Sirman (OA)

MAcK
Michelone (OA)
Nelson

I added Mich simply because he is on the team and is at this point avail for next year.

The OA that are safe to start are Gerrior and Mayich. But if the right offer comes through and we can find a player to play in their place, they would be avail.

Going into next year, we need to draft a Scoring center, a RH D, and a winger RW with size.
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I don't see any reason why Uronen won't be back next season. That's a top-6 winger with a good amount of size. He's a strong kid.

The other OA d-man is Smyth.

At this point I'm not sure whether Stonehouse will turn pro. He needs to really turn it up for the remainder of the regular season + playoffs. If he does return to the OHL, I'd lean heavily towards keeping Gerrior over Stonehouse as an OA forward. Gerrior is having the more productive season, is more consistent than Stonehouse, and imo is more versatile up and down the lineup than Stonehouse.
 
NordiquesForeva said:
I don't see any reason why Uronen won't be back next season. That's a top-6 winger with a good amount of size. He's a strong kid.

The other OA d-man is Smyth.

At this point I'm not sure whether Stonehouse will turn pro. He needs to really turn it up for the remainder of the regular season + playoffs. If he does return to the OHL, I'd lean heavily towards keeping Gerrior over Stonehouse as an OA forward. Gerrior is having the more productive season, is more consistent than Stonehouse, and imo is more versatile up and down the lineup than Stonehouse.
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There are multiple strategies that may unfold. There are three categories of 20 year old players:

1> Players that are not likely to be of any value and would be doubtful to return as an OA:
Michelone

2> Players that will return and would likely have a place to play but their trade value is not very good in the early season when teams are filling holes:
Smyth
Sirman

3> Players that will or may return if they dont’ graduate and their trade value is likely to be more than a 4th round pick:
Gerrior
Stonehouse
Mayich
MacKenzie

Just because there are four players potentially returning in category #3, it doesn’t mean the 67’s would automatically keep those four players on the roster which they can do to start the season. IMO, I think Sirman is going to be a serious consideration for an OA spot the entire season. I could see them trading one of the four players in category #3, keep Sirman as the 4th OA and play him in the games where MacK doesn’t start/dress. If there are any serious offers for Mayich at the beginning of the season, I have a feeling they will move him and keep Sirman.

I think they would hold on to all four until later in the fall when the trade values would likely increase as we get closer to the deadline.

I don’t think we can seriously suggest who they would keep because a lot of it will be tied to whether they feel they need to do a larger sell off or try to compete a bit. That would likely influence who they keep/trade.
 
PuckStop75 said:
Too early for this, Mack is an OA and Stonehouse is better than 50% to return IMO.
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Stonehouse will make the AHL or be sent down to start at the ECHL level.

OMG67 said:
There are multiple strategies that may unfold. There are three categories of 20 year old players:

1> Players that are not likely to be of any value and would be doubtful to return as an OA:
Michelone

2> Players that will return and would likely have a place to play but their trade value is not very good in the early season when teams are filling holes:
Smyth
Sirman

3> Players that will or may return if they dont’ graduate and their trade value is likely to be more than a 4th round pick:
Gerrior
Stonehouse
Mayich
MacKenzie

Just because there are four players potentially returning in category #3, it doesn’t mean the 67’s would automatically keep those four players on the roster which they can do to start the season. IMO, I think Sirman is going to be a serious consideration for an OA spot the entire season. I could see them trading one of the four players in category #3, keep Sirman as the 4th OA and play him in the games where MacK doesn’t start/dress. If there are any serious offers for Mayich at the beginning of the season, I have a feeling they will move him and keep Sirman.

I think they would hold on to all four until later in the fall when the trade values would likely increase as we get closer to the deadline.

I don’t think we can seriously suggest who they would keep because a lot of it will be tied to whether they feel they need to do a larger sell off or try to compete a bit. That would likely influence who they keep/trade.
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I agree on the face with OMG. However, I think we have to add Michelone into the picture as it is possible that a team needing goaltending could make an offer for MacK that Boyd could not resist. I am not saying it will happen but it could.

The question about what we are going to do next year, compete or build, I think, will be answered by Brampton, Brantford and possibly Barrie.

I really do not see this team having the level of competition that we would need (but then again this is the OHL)
 
beastintheeast said:
Stonehouse will make the AHL or be sent down to start at the ECHL level.


I agree on the face with OMG. However, I think we have to add Michelone into the picture as it is possible that a team needing goaltending could make an offer for MacK that Boyd could not resist. I am not saying it will happen but it could.

The question about what we are going to do next year, compete or build, I think, will be answered by Brampton, Brantford and possibly Barrie.

I really do not see this team having the level of competition that we would need (but then again this is the OHL)
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Nothing against Michelone but if you look at the level of quality for OA goalies over the years, he doesn’t qualify. He simply doesn’t. He is at replacement level which means no one will waste an OA spot on him when they can acquire an equal 19 year old for a 12th round pick (like we traded for him this year). Sorry Beast but the depth on goaltending would have to be at a historic low for any team to use an OA spot on him and burn a card. We waived Donoso. WAIVED. A last place team picked him up as a home town kid for free. Michelone won’t be in the league as an OA to begin with so that opportunity won’t present itself.

The only “IF” involved for Michelone is “if” MacK we’re out the remainder of the season and Michelone led the team to the League Finals against Saginaw and a birth in the Memorial Cup. We know what kind of odds those would be. Suggesting there is a possibility without qualifying how remotely slim those chances would be is not a good take.

Even if we were to trade MacK in the preseason, we would be able to add a replacement level goalie on the cheap. We would not give up on the other potential OA’s we have returning because we are hard up for goaltending. Maybe if we had no other options like this season coming out of the preseason where we could waste a spot for a few months. But, next season, we have MacK plus 5 other guys available to return that make more sense. We’d need to trade MacK AND two other players to make room for him as the 4th OA (One if Stonehouse doesn’t return). I cannot see them do that. It makes less than zero sense.
 
OMG67 said:
Nothing against Michelone but if you look at the level of quality for OA goalies over the years, he doesn’t qualify. He simply doesn’t. He is at replacement level which means no one will waste an OA spot on him when they can acquire an equal 19 year old for a 12th round pick (like we traded for him this year). Sorry Beast but the depth on goaltending would have to be at a historic low for any team to use an OA spot on him and burn a card. We waived Donoso. WAIVED. A last place team picked him up as a home town kid for free. Michelone won’t be in the league as an OA to begin with so that opportunity won’t present itself.

The only “IF” involved for Michelone is “if” MacK we’re out the remainder of the season and Michelone led the team to the League Finals against Saginaw and a birth in the Memorial Cup. We know what kind of odds those would be. Suggesting there is a possibility without qualifying how remotely slim those chances would be is not a good take.

Even if we were to trade MacK in the preseason, we could add a replacement-level goalie on the cheap. We would not give up on the other potential OA’s we have returning because we are hard up for goaltending maybe if we had no other options like this season coming out of the preseason where we could waste a spot for a few months. But, next season, we have MacK plus 5 other guys available to return that make more sense. We’d need to trade MacK AND two other players to make room for him as the 4th OA (One if Stonehouse doesn’t return). I cannot see them do that. It makes less than zero sense.
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Agreed but the trading of MacK is a possibility. unlikely but possible.

I would put it in the same category as the chance of Stonehouse coming back.

Do I think he is a viable replacement no but it depends on what Boyd and Cameron are doing,

Consider that we can also find a goallie in Euro so there are many options.

I am just saying that if Nelson had a good camp, then putting them together and trading MacK is a possibility. Of course, as the season goes on, they can replace him.
 
beastintheeast said:
Agreed but the trading of MacK is a possibility. unlikely but possible.

I would put it in the same category as the chance of Stonehouse coming back.

Do I think he is a viable replacement no but it depends on what Boyd and Cameron are doing,

Consider that we can also find a goallie in Euro so there are many options.

I am just saying that if Nelson had a good camp, then putting them together and trading MacK is a possibility. Of course, as the season goes on, they can replace him.
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You‘re missing the point. EVEN IF they trade MacK, they won’t burn a valuable OA spot on a replacement level goalie when we can acquire a comparable 19 year old for a 12th round pick. You are suggesting somehow that if we trade MacK that Michelone is the only option. They will not make room for him under any circumstances short of him miraculously turning out to be an elite goalie that finds his way in the second half and leads us to a Championship.

We likely have 6 returning OA’s. They will not sacrifice any of those guys to make room for a guy they can get for nothing elsewhere that is not an OA.

I think we agree that Smyth is likley gone before the season starts. That brings us down to 5. I highly doubt they trade MacK in the preseason at a pre-season discount but let’s say they do. That brings them down to four. Then they have a decision to make on which “other” guy they want to move at a pre-season discount if they keep Michelone. They won’t move two guys at a pre-season discount return to keep Michelone. It would be an incredibly stupid management of assets. It would likely be an incredibly bad management of assets to move MacK in the pre-season. His highest value will be at the deadline. Same with Stonehouse, Mayich, and Gerrior. They’ll have to take a hit on at least one of those guys at some point, especially if they keep Sirman. Even that would be a stretch.

Look at Beck.. They traded him at a discount because he requested a trade. IF they had kept him, they’d have gotten and extra 2nd round pick for him at the deadline. They won’t trade guys needlessly early Unless they request a trade. You are dreaming up a scenario that quite simply does not exist.
 
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Simpson was traded early. I can see the same with MacK
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Ben Gaudreau as well. I agree that it could happen. But, if it were to happen, it doesnt’ mean that Michelone slides into that spot as a replacement OA.

Both of those goalies were traded in an effort to open OA spots for other players that were valuable to the team. The catalyst for doing it would be to have the flexibility to keep 3 of Gerrior, Mayich, Stonehouse and Sirman.
 
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OMG67 said:
Ben Gaudreau as well. I agree that it could happen. But, if it were to happen, it doesnt’ mean that Michelone slides into that spot as a replacement OA.

Both of those goalies were traded in an effort to open OA spots for other players that were valuable to the team. The catalyst for doing it would be to have the flexibility to keep 3 of Gerrior, Mayich, Stonehouse and Sirman.
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At the end of the season the direction for next year will be much clearer. The ability to play playoff quality hockey for the core group will be instrumental in determining the plan going forward. I don't see a scenario where Michelone stays as an OA, but I also didn't see Donoso staying until the deadline either so stranger things have happened.
 
PuckStop75 said:
At the end of the season the direction for next year will be much clearer. The ability to play playoff quality hockey for the core group will be instrumental in determining the plan going forward. I don't see a scenario where Michelone stays as an OA, but I also didn't see Donoso staying until the deadline either so stranger things have happened.
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The difference was we had OA spots open. It allowed Boyd a bit of a runway to try to get Donoso placed on another team. We won’t have that luxury next year.

If we had four high end OA’s coming into this season (Beck, Boucher, Matier) plus Donoso, you would not have seen Donoso game one to start the season. He would have been moved or waived. It is possible they may have kept him as the 4th OA and sat him in the press box but even that would have been unlikely.

Regarding the plan for next year, I don’t think it changes much. I think they approach next year being mindful of the possibility we will be competitive. We will see how the Import draft unfolds as well as the Priority Draft. We’ll see how the team looks through the pre-season. I think Boyd will give the team an opportunity to perform. There would be no serious rush to move assets anyway. He may as well give them some rope.

I have a sense of how it will all work out but I recognize the need to allow the team to stretch its legs as well. I’m looking more at the following year to be the big sell with Mews likely out the door. We will see about Marrelli. I have a sense that he will get drafted late like Mayich and will be an OA candidate when the time comes.

It would be nice to thin out the OA’s a bit and get some future value, and trade Pinelli next season but i am not 100% sure that will be Plan “A”.
 
Hearing as many as 8-10 guys dressing tonight are playing with the flu, hopefully we can find a way to get 3 of 6 points at min this weekend
 
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Ottawa carried a lot of the play but you could tell the energy was low. They struggled when trying to get the puck to the net. Not a lot of fight for position.

Nelson did well for a 16 year old rookie in his first start. He needs to do a lot of work on covering up on those short rebounds. He seems very slow reacting to the pucks dropping from his chest to the ice In that 18” perimeter. He needs to swallow up those shots more. He seems to be the type of goalie that lets it hit him which is good provided you can get on the loose puck after.
 
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