Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread

[beastintheeast]

I just don’t see Wright coming back and if he were to come back and be traded, for Ottawa it would be a deadline deal and it would start with Henry Mews and finish with a ton of additional draft picks….. I don’t like that deal, AT ALL.

Wright is going to have to come back. Seattle can not put 2 1st round picks into a lineup in the same year.
The issue is will he come back to Caputi who he has not faith in.

I actually see him being a late October November trade.

I am not sure Mews would be needed as this is going to be a must-trade and we know that the price drops.

I know that others will probably bid high but you have to admit watching Beck Wright and Boucher on a line might be interesting.

If Kington is smart they will trade him to a low level team and then he could be a deadline deal.

 

[beastintheeast]

Are NHL teams running 2 camps. I noticed that Rohrer is not listed with Montreal for the tournament and neither is Moldenaur with Toronto

 

[dirty12]

Wright is going to have to come back. Seattle can not put 2 1st round picks into a lineup in the same year.
The issue is will he come back to Caputi who he has not faith in.

I actually see him being a late October November trade.

I am not sure Mews would be needed as this is going to be a must-trade and we know that the price drops.

I know that others will probably bid high but you have to admit watching Beck Wright and Boucher on a line might be interesting.

If Kington is smart they will trade him to a low level team and then he could be a deadline deal.

Seattle can, and probably will have the two first round picks in the line-up. Maybe Wright is returned around the Christmas break.
If returned, the cost for Wright will equal MacTavish last years.

 

[Square Corners]

Wright is going to have to come back. Seattle can not put 2 1st round picks into a lineup in the same year.
The issue is will he come back to Caputi who he has not faith in.

I actually see him being a late October November trade.

I am not sure Mews would be needed as this is going to be a must-trade and we know that the price drops.

I know that others will probably bid high but you have to admit watching Beck Wright and Boucher on a line might be interesting.

If Kington is smart they will trade him to a low level team and then he could be a deadline deal.

Theres no chance he gets traded in november. He woujld only be traded in January because he would be traded for a rookie 1st round player as hed be a top 5 player in the leageu

 

[sirius67fan]

Are NHL teams running 2 camps. I noticed that Rohrer is not listed with Montreal for the tournament and neither is Moldenaur with Toronto

Rohrer is injured(puck to face) out 4 weeks so missing Habs training camp.

 

[OMG67]

Theres no chance he gets traded in november. He woujld only be traded in January because he would be traded for a rookie 1st round player as hed be a top 5 player in the leageu

100%. No chance Wright is traded until the January window.

If he returns, Seattle will probably send him to the WJHC and Team Canada in December and he’d get traded when their window opens after the tourney. He wouldn’t play a game in Kingston under that circumstance.

But, make no mistake, the trade for Wright if it were to Ottawa would look like:

Mews
Gardiner or Foster
two 2nds
two 3rds

OR

Marrelli
Gardiner or Foster
three 2nds
three 3rds

I still say it is unlikely Wright returns to the OHL. I know he dropped to 4th but only because of circumstance. He was still the best or second best player in the draft. Just wasn't a good fit on a couple teams. I think he is a great fit for Seattle. Say what you want about wright and his disappointing level of offence last eyar but he still can play a 200 foot game and players that are responsible defensively can play at the NHL Level while adjusting.

 

[beastintheeast]

I think everyone is a little higher on Wright than he is. I think that Seattle is going to keep him until the 9 games rule is expired. He will get the chance BUT I do not think that they can operate a team with 2 rookies fresh from the Junior hockey leagues centers. Beniers grad this year so he will get the nod he was the first draft pick of the team and they need to work with him.

The challenge will be that he does not want to go back to Kingston. As I said he will be traded and if Kingston is smart then will deal with him before he comes back.

No matter when he is avail the price will be interesting and will involve money as well as players. NHL teams pay for draft picks to play.

Seattle will have a small say in where he goes and may even depending on how the team starts may just fire their coach and hire someone that Wright likes.

Remember that that is what happened in Kingston with Bruce Cassidy.

 

[OMG67]

I think everyone is a little higher on Wright than he is. I think that Seattle is going to keep him until the 9 games rule is expired. He will get the chance BUT I do not think that they can operate a team with 2 rookies fresh from the Junior hockey leagues centers. Beniers grad this year so he will get the nod he was the first draft pick of the team and they need to work with him.

The challenge will be that he does not want to go back to Kingston. As I said he will be traded and if Kingston is smart then will deal with him before he comes back.

No matter when he is avail the price will be interesting and will involve money as well as players. NHL teams pay for draft picks to play.

Seattle will have a small say in where he goes and may even depending on how the team starts may just fire their coach and hire someone that Wright likes.

Remember that that is what happened in Kingston with Bruce Cassidy.

I think you are looking at this too closely. I really don’t think it is quite as involved. Wright will get an opportunity to prove he can play at the NHL Level. Age doesn’t matter. Either he is a top 4 Centre or he isn’t. It doesn’t matter if Beniers is the #2 and Wright is the #3. Seattle isn’t competing for anything. The Kraken don‘t have four bonafide centres. They have guys that shift from wing to centre but it‘s not like they have cemented centremen. In fact, they are fairly deep on the wings and these two could benefit from playing with veteran wingers that can help insulate them.

Assuming you are right and the Kraken want to send him back to the OHL, if Wright and Seattle don’t want the kid to play in Kingston, they can silently demand a trade. The only teams willing to pay for him are the top 3 or 4 teams in the League. There is no real directing traffic. Any of the 3 or 4 teams would be fine. The whole point is to put him in a situation where he’d likely challenge for a Championship.

Regarding the 9 games, that’s fine too. There are about 25 games in the Kraken schedule before Team Canada traditionally gathers for training camp in preparation for the Tourney. It is not uncommon for players like Wright to play their 9 games over the first 24 or so games and then get sent back to Junior with their first stop being the WJHC Camp.

Then circle back to Ottawa. I really don’t see Ottawa paying that sort of price to acquire Wright and nor should they. I’m all for Ottawa acquiring an OA Centre at a reasonable cost and maybe upgrade on Costantini if there is a puck moving D-Man that makes sense. I’m even ok with them trading one of their expendable 17 year olds and a few top picks to acquire a veteran to help stretch out the lineup if they look like they are contending. Give the younger kids an opportunity to develop by playing in some meaningful playoff games and maybe win a couple rounds. Cool. Trading 1st rounders is out of the question unless those players are duds. I mean, the 67’s did trade David Perklin for John McFarland so if it is a deal like that then fine. Perklin was a dud. At this point I don’t see either of Marrelli or Mews as duds.

We shall see what happens. But regardless, Wright isn’t coming to Ottawa.

 

[dirty12]

I am not sure Mews would be needed as this is going to be a must-trade and we know that the price drops.
I actually see him being a late October November trade.

If Kington is smart they will trade him to a low level team and then he could be a deadline deal.

Wright has a NTC. He can choose the OHL teams he is willing to go to, if returned. The price did not drop for MacTavish even though there were only three teams on his list.

 

[OMG67]

Wright has a NTC. He can choose the OHL teams he is willing to go to, if returned. The price did not drop for MacTavish even though there were only three teams on his list.

The prices are well established for these types of players. There is an expectation for high profile players getting a return including the first rounder. The only situation that can arise is the player demands one specific team. Outside of that, there really isn’t much wiggle room. Even if the first isn’t included, the picks package would be crippling. We’d be in the solid 17 year old, four 2nds and three 3rds +++ category which most teams wouldn’t be able to even do.

 

[beastintheeast]

The prices are well established for these types of players. There is an expectation for high profile players getting a return including the first rounder. The only situation that can arise is the player demands one specific team. Outside of that, there really isn’t much wiggle room. Even if the first isn’t included, the picks package would be crippling. We’d be in the solid 17 year old, four 2nds and three 3rds +++ category which most teams wouldn’t be able to even do.

I am sure that Wright will announce his choices for trades at the last chance so that he can choose teams at the top of the standings.

 

[OMG67]

I am sure that Wright will announce his choices for trades at the last chance so that he can choose teams at the top of the standings.

I don’t think it matters. Only teams at the top of the standings would be willing to trade for him.

 

[dirty12]

I don’t think it matters. Only teams at the top of the standings would be willing to trade for him.

It shouldn’t affect the trade return much, but MacTavish and Xhekaj being able to determine their destination certainly affected the trade deadline for Barrie and NB.
There just wasn’t a lot available last season. Even London was effectively shut out.

 

[OMG67]

It shouldn’t affect the trade return much, but MacTavish and Xhekaj being able to determine their destination certainly affected the trade deadline for Barrie and NB.
There just wasn’t a lot available last season. Even London was effectively shut out.

The point is there is typically only about 4 teams truly in contention at the deadline. Of those four teams, only two are typically willing to deal their 1st rounder so the trade destinations are usually pretty much already narrowed down.

The teams have more clout than we give them credit. If a player says I want to go to location “X” and location “X” plays hard ball, the team with the player simply pulls the player off the market and tells the agent that the player is staying because the return isn’t worth it. The agent then typically expands the list to a more reasonable size.

The examples you are using had teams willing to actually pay market value so no big deal. If those teams werent’ willing to pay market value then the player usually caves and expands the list. The player is the one that wants out more than the team wants the assets.

 

[dirty12]

The point is there is typically only about 4 teams truly in contention at the deadline. Of those four teams, only two are typically willing to deal their 1st rounder so the trade destinations are usually pretty much already narrowed down.

The teams have more clout than we give them credit. If a player says I want to go to location “X” and location “X” plays hard ball, the team with the player simply pulls the player off the market and tells the agent that the player is staying because the return isn’t worth it. The agent then typically expands the list to a more reasonable size.

The examples you are using had teams willing to actually pay market value so no big deal. If those teams werent’ willing to pay market value then the player usually caves and expands the list. The player is the one that wants out more than the team wants the assets.

Yeah maybe it’s typical to have 4-5 teams in contention, and things are just not yet normalized after the league shut down and double rookie cohort. Last year there was 8 fairly equal teams looking to add in January, the Petes looking to sell then buy ahead of this season, and Oshawa ...? There just wasn’t enough available at the deadline to go around.
I don’t think it will be quite as unbalanced this year, but still a good year those teams wanting and having the players to sell

 

[beastintheeast]

I think the fact that Seattle would also have something to say is also involved Where it does affect Ottawa is if Kitchener thinks that they have a shot then they may not be willing to trade a Pinella or Hamilton may not be willing to trade Morrison to us on the chance that they could be on his list.

Anyway, I am noticing that a lot of teams are looking for defence YEAH!!!!!
That should open up a few spots for us with trade partners.

 

[OMG67]

Yeah maybe it’s typical to have 4-5 teams in contention, and things are just not yet normalized after the league shut down and double rookie cohort. Last year there was 8 fairly equal teams looking to add in January, the Petes looking to sell then buy ahead of this season, and Oshawa ...? There just wasn’t enough available at the deadline to go around.
I don’t think it will be quite as unbalanced this year, but still a good year those teams wanting and having the players to sell

It will be interesting. If things go back to normal as I expect they will, I think we will see the three tiers of competitive playoff teams.

Tier I - usually 2 teams. These teams are willing to push all their chips in this year and then next year they sell off and recoup what they lost this season. These are the teams that would actually go after Shane Wright and pay the proper freight.

Tier II - Usually 3 teams. These teams are willing to add a significant player and a role player but are really only willing to trade draft pick assets. Usually around three 2nds and three 3rds are available and that’s as far as these teams are willing to part with at the deadline

Tier III - Usually about 4-5 teams. These teams are willing to fill gaps in an effort to gain home ice advantage and get to the 2nd round. They won’t typically add top tier players. They look for underachieving players or middle lineup type guys that help stretch their depth. They know they don’t have the type of roster to compete at the top but they know they are strong enough to get some added playoff gate and part with a reasonable amount of assets.

I think Ottawa is in the Tier II zone, maybe the Tier III if they underachieve through the fist half. I think they will add the OA at or near the beginning of the season. From that point forward, I think they will part with a couple players along the way to gain assets to flip at the deadline for a player of two that will help stretch the roster. I don’t think they will go after a big fish like Wright.

 

[OMG67]

I think the fact that Seattle would also have something to say is also involved Where it does affect Ottawa is if Kitchener thinks that they have a shot then they may not be willing to trade a Pinella or Hamilton may not be willing to trade Morrison to us on the chance that they could be on his list.

Anyway, I am noticing that a lot of teams are looking for defence YEAH!!!!!
That should open up a few spots for us with trade partners.

I really don’t think the NHL teams meddle as much as we thing they do. They may very well suggest they will send back the player but want the player to go to a competitive team but I don’t think they direct traffic more than that. I think the NHL teams understand that the OHL teams need to be able to work out their own deals and operate their franchises in the manner they see fit. It would be a little offside for them to make demands other than making an agreement that they send back the player with the intention there will be a trade to a better situation for development.

 

[dirty12]

I think the fact that Seattle would also have something to say is also involved Where it does affect Ottawa is if Kitchener thinks that they have a shot then they may not be willing to trade a Pinella or Hamilton may not be willing to trade Morrison to us on the chance that they could be on his list.

Anyway, I am noticing that a lot of teams are looking for defence YEAH!!!!!
That should open up a few spots for us with trade partners.

Some potential trade partners for D are; Flint-Matier, NB-1st paring LD, any re-tooling team should have interest in the ‘67s 1st round ‘06 born picks, and what are the other teams?

 

[dirty12]

It will be interesting. If things go back to normal as I expect they will, I think we will see the three tiers of competitive playoff teams.

Tier I - usually 2 teams. These teams are willing to push all their chips in this year and then next year they sell off and recoup what they lost this season. These are the teams that would actually go after Shane Wright and pay the proper freight.

Tier II - Usually 3 teams. These teams are willing to add a significant player and a role player but are really only willing to trade draft pick assets. Usually around three 2nds and three 3rds are available and that’s as far as these teams are willing to part with at the deadline

Tier III - Usually about 4-5 teams. These teams are willing to fill gaps in an effort to gain home ice advantage and get to the 2nd round. They won’t typically add top tier players. They look for underachieving players or middle lineup type guys that help stretch their depth. They know they don’t have the type of roster to compete at the top but they know they are strong enough to get some added playoff gate and part with a reasonable amount of assets.

I think Ottawa is in the Tier II zone, maybe the Tier III if they underachieve through the fist half. I think they will add the OA at or near the beginning of the season. From that point forward, I think they will part with a couple players along the way to gain assets to flip at the deadline for a player of two that will help stretch the roster. I don’t think they will go after a big fish like Wright.

In that way, yeah things should be pretty normal.
I wonder if there are enough 2nd, 3rd level players available for the potential buyers. Since January the Petes & Icedogs have already removed ‘03 born; Stillman, Lockhart, Zito, Dann, Sirrizotti, Michaud; and, the Colts & Steelheads have each added an ‘03 at their position of greatest need.
KGN, LDN, HAM, OSH, WSR all have to be major sellers and have their top assets available and healthy for normal balance?

 

[OMG67]

In that way, yeah things should be pretty normal.
I wonder if there are enough 2nd, 3rd level players available for the potential buyers. Since January the Petes & Icedogs have already removed ‘03 born; Stillman, Lockhart, Zito, Dann, Sirrizotti, Michaud; and, the Colts & Steelheads have each added an ‘03 at their position of greatest need.
KGN, LDN, HAM, OSH, WSR all have to be major sellers and have their top assets available and healthy for normal balance?

We will have to wait to see what ends up happening. The wildcard in all of this is the West. We know there are a handful of viable teams in the East. It will come down to which ones are willing to actually spend real assets. That will be the deciding factor of which teams will emerge. However, the West is less predictable. If the West is weaker from a depth perspective, one of two things will happen. Either a team or two will strike a little early and try to separate themselves and discourage the other teams from doing anything or they will all wait through the deadline and try to go tit for tat as best they can. If that happens, I could see virtually no key players move west. They may stay closer to status quo understanding that making the Final is a coin flip. from there, anything can happen.

For Ottawa, I think it will come down to their ability to acquire a prime OA Centre that can help deepen the forward depth chart. If they can get that ten I think they can have enough offence. If they don’t, I don’t think they will be able to score enough to be true viable contenders heading into the deadline. I am holding out faith they will do it.

 

[beastintheeast]

I really don’t think the NHL teams meddle as much as we thing they do. They may very well suggest they will send back the player but want the player to go to a competitive team but I don’t think they direct traffic more than that. I think the NHL teams understand that the OHL teams need to be able to work out their own deals and operate their franchises in the manner they see fit. It would be a little offside for them to make demands other than making an agreement that they send back the player with the intention there will be a trade to a better situation for development.

What I was getting at was your comment about

"a player says I want to go to location “X” and location “X” plays hardball, the team with the player simply pulls the player off the market"

I don't think that could happen. I think Seattle would get very pissed if Wright sat in Kington very long.

I also think that most OHL teams will be calling Kingston it is just a matter of are they willing to pay the price.

I am expecting that Kingston will want the trip to the moon but they may have to settle for a trip to Toronto.
It will not be the Fronts that decide the value but the other teams with the highest bidder winning.

As to our team I am expecting that trades will be made and that players will be moving it is just a case right now that I am not sure Boyd and Cameron know what they have or what they want,

Unless it is a trade with Kingston for wright I do not see Matier or either of the rookies going anywhere.

They also have to take into consideration that Rohrer will start the season with a full face shield.

When do they have to get down to their game players list for the season?

 

[dirty12]

What I was getting at was your comment about

"a player says I want to go to location “X” and location “X” plays hardball, the team with the player simply pulls the player off the market"

I don't think that could happen. I think Seattle would get very pissed if Wright sat in Kington very long.

I also think that most OHL teams will be calling Kingston it is just a matter of are they willing to pay the price.

I am expecting that Kingston will want the trip to the moon but they may have to settle for a trip to Toronto.
It will not be the Fronts that decide the value but the other teams with the highest bidder winning.

As to our team I am expecting that trades will be made and that players will be moving it is just a case right now that I am not sure Boyd and Cameron know what they have or what they want,

Unless it is a trade with Kingston for wright I do not see Matier or either of the rookies going anywhere.

They also have to take into consideration that Rohrer will start the season with a full face shield.

When do they have to get down to their game players list for the season?

Wright won’t sit if returned. Seattle may decide to loan Wright for the WJC then OHL afterwards in which case, he might dress for a game in Kingston and not play if Canada wins gold and the Fronts home schedule works out.
A team will pay the price for Wright. It might be an unexpected team. Flint & NB probably stretch their spending limit if Hache is packaged with Wright.
I’m very curious which of ‘a lot of teams looking for D’ you think will be looking for ‘67s D other than Matier, Mews, Marrelli.

 

[beastintheeast]

Wright won’t sit if returned. Seattle may decide to loan Wright for the WJC then OHL afterwards in which case, he might dress for a game in Kingston and not play if Canada wins gold and the Fronts home schedule works out.
A team will pay the price for Wright. It might be an unexpected team. Flint & NB probably stretch their spending limit if Hache is packaged with Wright.
I’m very curious which of ‘a lot of teams looking for D’ you think will be looking for ‘67s D other than Matier, Mews, Marrelli.

I didn't say they would not be looking for Matier Mews and Marrelli I just don't see them in the trade [picture unless the 67's are getting a player comparable to Wright in calibre and that will be here for a couple of years.

It makes no sense to trade them at this stage.

If the 67's end up becoming sellers at the deadline then I can see Matier traded but not before. Trading either Mews or Marellli screws up the future plan.

 

[OMG67]

Let’s be clear. This team is almost zero percent chance of selling at the deadline. The only way that happens is if a player requests a trade. They will either buy because they feel they are well positioned or they will tinker a bit at low cost and run with that. They cannot sell off and throw away playoff experience.

That said, if the right combo of trades are available where they trade one or two of the 19 year olds and get back a significant 18 year old then maybe I could see it. Something like what Peterborough did last year dealing MacT and ending up with Stillman. I don’t think adding draft picks is productive for Ottawa.