Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread
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Were any of those picks going to Guelph the ones that would have come to the 67's if Moldenhauer reported?
honeydripper
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No, those are all out of play until they lapse or he magically shows up...not going to happen.
'23 5th
'24 2nd
'24 3rd
'25 2nd
'25 3rd
'25 4th
can't use any of them for this "all in" attempt.
OMG67
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Interesting observation so far this week. It looks like teams that are selling will sell their players now IF there is a significant player included int he deal coming back. A player that will help fill the vacated spot, albeit not to the same level of competency of course.
So, if Boyd is willing to trade players on his roster to get a deal done, it looks like the opportunities are there Now, unless the player he needs to trade is Marrelli because he won’t be available to move until January 1.
Straight up picks for a player type move doesn’t seem to be on the table yet for the more elite players.
So, if Boyd is willing to trade players on his roster to get a deal done, it looks like the opportunities are there Now, unless the player he needs to trade is Marrelli because he won’t be available to move until January 1.
Straight up picks for a player type move doesn’t seem to be on the table yet for the more elite players.
beastintheeast
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My personal opinion based on what I have seen on a different OHL team (Look to the other end of the canal) is that trades for 3 players do not work
It can also deplete your team for the next year.
Adding a good OA that can be a leader with the other team leaders is good. Ottawa has had a lot of success in doing that.
That being said, I still think the only thing we are missing is either Pinelli or Morrison.
Our defence is strong and will get stronger.
I do not agree with the idea that we have to trade for a plyer because we are afraid someone else will get him. To me that is the perfect way to screw things up.
My defence of that argument is again the team at the other end of the canal when Mav was in town.
As to how this team will fair in the second half, I think the big difference is the teams that we have played versus the teams that we are going to play the 19 Jan to 24 Feb is going to tell what this team has. We play mostly on the road and have 19-22, Barrie, Kit OS 30 Feb flint Sag and Sarnia In that 60-hour weekend, followed by 2 games against the Olympique, Wsr, Miss and Oshawa on 24-26 Feb
That is and always has been the big thing about the second half the 67's seem to play a crap load of away road games at a time when the weather truly seems to be at its worst
It can also deplete your team for the next year.
Adding a good OA that can be a leader with the other team leaders is good. Ottawa has had a lot of success in doing that.
That being said, I still think the only thing we are missing is either Pinelli or Morrison.
Our defence is strong and will get stronger.
I do not agree with the idea that we have to trade for a plyer because we are afraid someone else will get him. To me that is the perfect way to screw things up.
My defence of that argument is again the team at the other end of the canal when Mav was in town.
As to how this team will fair in the second half, I think the big difference is the teams that we have played versus the teams that we are going to play the 19 Jan to 24 Feb is going to tell what this team has. We play mostly on the road and have 19-22, Barrie, Kit OS 30 Feb flint Sag and Sarnia In that 60-hour weekend, followed by 2 games against the Olympique, Wsr, Miss and Oshawa on 24-26 Feb
That is and always has been the big thing about the second half the 67's seem to play a crap load of away road games at a time when the weather truly seems to be at its worst
I think the big and fair trades early are smart for buyers and sellers.
Sarnia needs to separate themselves from the middle. The Petes and Battalion (missing 3 significant pieces for 6 weeks to March) should not want to cede the #1 seed to the ‘67s with 3/4 of the season remaining.
More than that, the trade market at the deadline is very uncertain. Barrie and Kitchener can combine to either flood the market allowing middle teams to add cheaply or create a shortage of players making prices soar.
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Well I think Ottawa shoulld concentrate on others besides Pinelli and Morrison as they might not be able to acquire them due to the bidding. I have been looking around and have a couple of ideas, mainly Kyrou and Cohen from Erie or Moore and Harrison from Oshawa. Cohen is a center who had decent numbers last year and would be a good OA candidate for next season. His numbers are very similar to Harrison over the last 2 seasons.
I know that some people say that we do not need a defensman but the addition of a 50 plus pt PP QB can only improve our chances.
I know that some people say that we do not need a defensman but the addition of a 50 plus pt PP QB can only improve our chances.
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I’d do the Oshawa deal but not the Erie deal. Cohen is an OA and really isn’t a centre. Not great on draws and I believe he is playing as a winger mostly this season.
I am targeting Morrison because he’s the current captain on the OHL Championship winning team from last season. Having someone in the room that won last year has an immeasurable impact.
Since 1996, over 25 seasons from the McCauley yeas forward, this team has one OHL Championship. How does that qualify as “that approach has worked well for Ottawa in the past” when referring to adding one player?
2019 we added two OAs to fill out OA holes and we lost to Guelph handily in the Finals after they acquired 4 Elite players. Not sure we weren’t “outmaneuvered” that season? Especially considering Guelp was slightly over .500 at the deadline.
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Sorry I thought Cohen was 19, so scrap that idea as he has some flaws. I would really like to acquire Morrison but if not an Oshawa deal would be a good backup plan.
Hopefully we can be successful with our trading transactions.
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In a perfect world, Morrison and Mintyukov would be spectacular. But if they were to acquire a second Centre, to go along with that, it would stretch out their forward roster. The only problem with that plan is it would be tough to not touch the active roster to acquire the players we would want. You have to think that a player like Ewles would need to be a part of the Saginaw trade for Mintyukov and maybe a player like Barlas in the deal for the 2nd 19 year old centre, someone like Zhilkin. Morrison would likely be just picks as an OA or maybe a player like Quick or Dever.
Pinelli - Morrison - Rohrer
Beck - Tolnai - Boucher
Stonehouse - Zhilkin - Foster
Barlas - Gardiner - Gerrior
You go into the playoffs with that group lining up at forward and that will do major damage.
Mayich - Matier
Mintyukov - Costantini
Sirman/Smyth - Mews
That back end is sick.
Barring injury, I’m not sure how that team would lose.
What would that likely cost?
Morrison - two 2nds, two 3rds, 4th
Zhilkin - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and Dever or Quick
Mintyukov - two seconds, two 3rds, 4th, Ewles
If the cost would be that exactly, Ottawa would still have two 2nds, four 3rds, and a bunch of 4ths between 2023 and 2026. They return a good number of players and don’t part with Marrelli. They make a small reset next year and trade Rohrer, they’d get enough picks back to reset their picks cupboard to the normal 1 pick or more in each round in the 2024 to 2027 seasons Drafts.
I don’t think they will do that. I think they will add one OA and call it a day. That’s my official prediction.
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beastintheeast
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You missed the sentence before I was only talking about mixing the new players into the team and how it has worked out.
I am still one that does not feel that the team should never sell the future
I make no apologies for that.
Have a nice day
OMG67
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It worked out GREAT for Guelph in 2019.
I don’t know how it would work out for Ottawa. They’ve never done it. Ever.
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These returns seem a little light to me?
For Morrison, we already know what he can do when you put him on a good team. His 1.67 points per game last season would have him in second place this season behind Voit. I would expect at least what Xhekaj returned (the best OA traded last year) which was 2,2,3,3,4 + Mutter. Maybe throw in another 3rd to get there?
Zhilkin is a late birthday, and so a good chance to be back for an OA year even though NHL drafted in the 3rd round - expect the return to reflect this. Last year Olausson returned more than you are suggesting Zhilkin will, and Olausson was an import with similar numbers to Zhilkin, albeit a 1st round NHL pick. I think it would be closer to another 2nd or swap in an underperforming Barlas instead. Not sure that Dever or Quick move the needle enough to get this done.
The Mintyukov one might be the one where we are the closest on. On the one hand, he's an import so demand across the league might be down as there are teams without a free spot for him. On the other hand he is a clear upgrade on many of the 2nd imports that those teams have (2nd highest scorer in the league, as a defenseman!. It depends what other teams offer, but I wouldn't expect him to go for any less than that, and you quite possibly might have to sweeten the deal to outbid another team for him. Being in the other conference would help Ottawa in this bidding war at least.
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Don’t think there’s a very good chance Zhilkin is back. He’s shown he’s ready for pro hockey and as a 3rd round pick don’t think he’d gain anything beating up on teenagers another year
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I used recent trades to determine the values.
I equated the Morrison trade to the Xhekaj last season for Hamilton. The Zhilkin deal equates to the Pastujov trade this week. The Mintyukov deal equates to the Xhekaj but adds the 17 year old because he is a 19 year old and not an OA.
They are not exact of course but reflect relatively closely to what we’ve seen this year and last.
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Is he beating up on them though? 1.06 points per game, tied for 50th in that metric, is good but is it beating up good?
It's tough to say. His 2022 draft class so far has 5 of the 3rd rounders signed. The 2021 draft class with an extra year to sign players has 9 of the 3rd rounders signed by comparison. How many more signings from the 3rd rounders in the 2022 draft class before the start of next season? And is Zhilkin going to be one of them?
As a late birth player drafted after his 3rd season of OHL eligibility, Winnipeg doesn't have to make a decision on him until after his OA year. I wish I could find a database of players in his position to compare to, but haven't been able to find anything on the subject.
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Don't you think Namestnikov carries a lot more value than Dever or Quick? On his own he would likely fetch more than a 2nd, no?
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Agreed but he’s an 18 year old and hasn’t really reached his lofty draft position. Not saying he is a bust, he did have 40 points last year but you have to admit we should have expected more.
Our forwards are a year younger. I did flip one of the 5ths into a 4th. Maybe Barlas is a better comparison to Namestnikov but like I said, the trades aren’t exact and would need tweaking individually. But, the values were presented to show what the likely full assets going out would be if Ottawa were to go more all in with three premium adds.
If the names going out slightly change or a couple extra picks are used then that’s fine. It gives the Ottawa posters a peak at what to expect.
Roger - KGN, Coe & Jackson - NB …
(NB - Arnsby, Vrbetic, Podoliouhk, Hislop seek out late births?)
…are examples of drafted late birth as OAs. I believe it’s relatively common given NHL teams are not obligated to make financial decision until after the OA season
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1ST 8:16 #25 Brad Gardiner (11) scores. Assists: #23 Will Gerrior, #12 Anthony Costantini
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1ST 15:59 #20 Luca Pinelli (11) scores. Assists: #9 Chris Barlas, #29 Cooper Foster
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1ST 17:13 #10 Cameron Tolnai (10) scores. Assists: #17 Brady Stonehouse, #27 Jack Matier
1ST 8:16 #25 Brad Gardiner (11) scores. Assists: #23 Will Gerrior, #12 Anthony Costantini
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1ST 15:59 #20 Luca Pinelli (11) scores. Assists: #9 Chris Barlas, #29 Cooper Foster
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1ST 17:13 #10 Cameron Tolnai (10) scores. Assists: #17 Brady Stonehouse, #27 Jack Matier
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2ND 15:08 #6 Thomas Sirman (3) scores. Assists: #18 Jack Dever
What is with all these misconduct penalties for illegal equipment, ie mouth guards 5 of them
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2ND 15:08 #6 Thomas Sirman (3) scores. Assists: #18 Jack Dever
What is with all these misconduct penalties for illegal equipment, ie mouth guards 5 of them
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