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Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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OMG67 said:
I had that thought initially as well but I’m not sure how much value he’d have.

I think it is more reasonable to assume that if we have one D-Man coming in and two going out then he’d be the #7 until Smyth is back. So, in my mind, he’s here only because Smyth is out. Once Smyth is back, he‘s the #8 and Cameron likes to have access to eight D-Men.

He’d also be on the depth chart for next season similar to how Ewles was coming into this season.

And he’d be in the lineup on Friday night because they are short bodies and the WJHC players are likely not rejoining the team until at least Sunday. They need their family break for Christmas.

It is reasonable to think that at least one D-Man body is on his way out though.
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He can play Friday as a WJC replacement, initiate his education package and not affect carding. Good depth add for next year at RD when Matier and Costantini leave RD now has Mews, Ewles and Horner, until advised otherwise... LOL
 
PuckStop75 said:
The micro analytics really doesn't address the problem, any team can put a positive or negative twist on a situation if they try hard enough. If the team wants to win a Championship there are things that need to happen, it doesn't take away from what they have done up to this point. The team has still had to win these games, and they have the best record in the league because of it, there is no taking away from that.
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At the end of the day, it really isn’t a big deal and I didn’t mean to blow this up. It was an observation. I was noticing the difference with which the way people talked about London and the way they talked about Ottawa and I thought it was weird that one team got full credit for where they are and the other one has mostly been discarded entirely as a non-entity. Granted, the discussion is Conference based, not league based so maybe within the context of the western Confernce, the talk can be different because of the other teams in it compared to the East. But I still thought it was weird that teams needed to trade to catch London int he West and teams needed to trade to catch Peterborough and North Bay in The East. If Ottawa wanted to contend, they needed to add three elite players just to keep pace With the other powerhouses in The East and even if they did…..

It was that sort of slant I couldn’t understand.
 
OMG67 said:
As I said above, the WJHC guys will likely not join the team until at least Sunday. They have been playing with a short bench so he’ll be another body on the bench this weekend. Unless there are injuries, I doubt we see much of him the rest of the season. I think he’s more likely a depth piece this season and part of the depth chart next season when we graduate a handful of guys.
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I would expect Vinny back at some point this weekend, Boucher and Matier are questionable, Matier hasn't been utilized a lot so it wouldn't surprise me to see him return right away, Boucher will likely be a wait a see how he feels when he gets back.
 
PuckStop75 said:
He can play Friday as a WJC replacement, initiate his education package and not affect carding. Good depth add for next year at RD when Matier and Costantini leave RD now has Mews, Ewles and Horner, until advised otherwise... LOL
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Carding doesn’t really matter too much for this season. They have 24 cards assigned and have six more. I think in a worst/best case scenario, they add three players which increases it to 27. That still leaves three vacant cards.

Where the carding comes into play is next season. If they end up needing to card Horner this season, he then couldn’t be assigned an affiliate card to start next season. As soon as he is assigned a card, he automatically is assigned a card when he players his first game the following season.

So, if this is being managed froma carding perspective, it is likely to be managed based on next season.

PuckStop75 said:
I would expect Vinny back at some point this weekend, Boucher and Matier are questionable, Matier hasn't been utilized a lot so it wouldn't surprise me to see him return right away, Boucher will likely be a wait a see how he feels when he gets back.
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I expect them all back on Sunday. It’s a home game. I assume guys will return to their family homes on Friday. They will spend Friday and Saturday there. Probably travel to Ottawa on Sunday morning.

I think the teams will leave to up to the players. But I think the players typically want to play and will dress for Sunday. That is my sense based on previous tourney’s. Some may want to dress Friday but usually the teams don’t let them and force them to take the rest and time with family.
 
OMG67 said:
At the end of the day, it really isn’t a big deal and I didn’t mean to blow this up. It was an observation. I was noticing the difference with which the way people talked about London and the way they talked about Ottawa and I thought it was weird that one team got full credit for where they are and the other one has mostly been discarded entirely as a non-entity. Granted, the discussion is Conference based, not league based so maybe within the context of the western Confernce, the talk can be different because of the other teams in it compared to the East. But I still thought it was weird that teams needed to trade to catch London int he West and teams needed to trade to catch Peterborough and North Bay in The East. If Ottawa wanted to contend, they needed to add three elite players just to keep pace With the other powerhouses in The East and even if they did…..

It was that sort of slant I couldn’t understand.
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I know this is just discussion, and enjoy the passion you show towards this board. I don't disagree that their is always a slant when dealing with London, when a team wins multiple Championships in a short time frame the organization and management team tend to get that respect.
 
OMG67 said:
Carding doesn’t really matter too much for this season. They have 24 cards assigned and have six more. I think in a worst/best case scenario, they add three players which increases it to 27. That still leaves three vacant cards.

Where the carding comes into play is next season. If they end up needing to card Horner this season, he then couldn’t be assigned an affiliate card to start next season. As soon as he is assigned a card, he automatically is assigned a card when he players his first game the following season.

So, if this is being managed froma carding perspective, it is likely to be managed based on next season.



I expect them all back on Sunday. It’s a home game. I assume guys will return to their family homes on Friday. They will spend Friday and Saturday there. Probably travel to Ottawa on Sunday morning.

I think the teams will leave to up to the players. But I think the players typically want to play and will dress for Sunday. That is my sense based on previous tourney’s. Some may want to dress Friday but usually the teams don’t let them and force them to take the rest and time with family.
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That is my point on the carding, they can do it now and as a WJC replacement the card is temp and has no long term implications.
 
BarberPole9 said:
Owen Beck is the huge prize there, as he would be a two year addition and trades would have to be delayed until after the WJHC. Mississauga is really light in the ‘04 group after trading Lavoie and are unlikely to contend next year.
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The haul for Beck might even exceed what Wright would bring back. I wonder if anyone is willing to pay that, and also wonder if Mississauga might prefer to deal him at next year's deadline?
 
HockeyPops said:
The haul for Beck might even exceed what Wright would bring back. I wonder if anyone is willing to pay that, and also wonder if Mississauga might prefer to deal him at next year's deadline?
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I think the structure of the Beck deal would involve a significant package of conditional picks. Since he is a younger player and is probably has about a 25% chance of jumping pro next year, I think Mississauga, if they can find a taker under this structure, would likely get a similar return to Shane Wright PLUS additional conditional picks. Probably around two 2nds and two 3rds as conditionals for him returning next season. Otherwise, the return would be based on him being a two year player and they’d get additional assets up front.

Stillman went for an ‘05 1st, two 2nds and three 3rds. Shift that to an ‘06 1st and that is what Wright will likely go for. Beck would be similar but there needs to be the compensation for the potential next season.
 
Much less than 25% chance for Beck to stick next year IMO. Mesar and Roy are a year older and should be above him on Montreal's depth chart and are both AHL eligible. Probably Kidney as well. They won't be in any rush to bring Beck up.
 
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OMG67 said:
I think the structure of the Beck deal would involve a significant package of conditional picks. Since he is a younger player and is probably has about a 25% chance of jumping pro next year, I think Mississauga, if they can find a taker under this structure, would likely get a similar return to Shane Wright PLUS additional conditional picks. Probably around two 2nds and two 3rds as conditionals for him returning next season. Otherwise, the return would be based on him being a two year player and they’d get additional assets up front.

Stillman went for an ‘05 1st, two 2nds and three 3rds. Shift that to an ‘06 1st and that is what Wright will likely go for. Beck would be similar but there needs to be the compensation for the potential next season.
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Very much less than 25% my friend. More like 0% I think someone like you should know this lol
 
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If we get wright when do you think he would be dressed and practice with the team.? I would assume that he has things to pick up or look after in Seattle. I would expect him on the ice on Wednesday at earliest.

I do not think anyone, including Rohrer, will be flying back until Friday, so they will not dress until Sunday.
 
HockeyPops said:
Much less than 25% chance for Beck to stick next year IMO. Mesar and Roy are a year older and should be above him on Montreal's depth chart and are both AHL eligible. Probably Kidney as well. They won't be in any rush to bring Beck up.
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Mesar was picked 26 and Beck was picked 33 in 2022. Beck stayed at the main camp right up to the start of the OHL season and is quite a bit more NHL ready imo. I’d put his chance in excess of 30%, high enough that Miss will consider trading Beck.
 
dirty12 said:
Mesar was picked 26 and Beck was picked 33 in 2022. Beck stayed at the main camp right up to the start of the OHL season and is quite a bit more NHL ready imo. I’d put his chance in excess of 30%, high enough that Miss will consider trading Beck.
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Beck likely stayed in the main camp longer because he wasn't eligible for the AHL like Mesar.

That said there's no reason not to trade Beck if the price is right.
 
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HockeyPops said:
Much less than 25% chance for Beck to stick next year IMO. Mesar and Roy are a year older and should be above him on Montreal's depth chart and are both AHL eligible. Probably Kidney as well. They won't be in any rush to bring Beck up.
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See and this is where i think someone like Drinkell could sell off Mintyukov for a ton of picks to Barrie and then flips the picks for Beck to round out the top 6 for next season. McNamara out for a D and boom you're set. He already essentially flipped Bloom for Haight. Idk.
 
Montreal is not going to have a lot of turnover on their team. They have a young team with still lots of years of control left. I just can't see Montreal having any reason to rush Beck next season. 30% sounds about a factor of 10 too high.
 
Knownothing said:
I believe the chances are remote that he sticks next season. Next season is the time to trade him.
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Beck is currently projecting to have an 85pt season, Montreal will be looking for him to return and have a dominating season similar to what Suzuki had when he returned - he likely sticks around for the 9 game cup of tea to start next season as well. The decision by Missy will be entirely based on what is being offered, a three way deal involving Saginaw and Mintyukov could get real interesting if the pieces started moving around.

This could involve Ottawa or Barrie, both have the assets to work with.
 
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AGranderson said:
Very much less than 25% my friend. More like 0% I think someone like you should know this lol
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The issue with him potentially making the jump to the NHL next year is the ONLY reason to trade him now. This has been something discussed. Admittedly, I have not followed it very closely. I am just reiterating what has been discussed and some of the concerns regarding Beck and why they would trade him now instead of next year.
 
PuckStop75 said:
Beck is currently projecting to have an 85pt season, Montreal will be looking for him to return and have a dominating season similar to what Suzuki had when he returned - he likely sticks around for the 9 game cup of tea to start next season as well. The decision by Missy will be entirely based on what is being offered, a three way deal involving Saginaw and Mintyukov could get real interesting if the pieces started moving around.

This could involve Ottawa or Barrie, both have the assets to work with.
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If Missy trades him, they need at minimum:

’06 1st
two 2nds
three 3rds
conditional 2nd x2
conditional 3rd x3

As long as that is satisfied, I think he is on the table. If it isn’t at least that, they can simply get the ‘07 1st, two 2nds and three 3rds next deadline and keep him another calendar year.

For Saginaw to end up with Beck this year, it would need to be a 3 way deal in the same manner that Peterborough ended up with Stillman last year.
 
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