Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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I haven't watched too many Ottawa games.. but looking at their roster on paper this start seems a little too good to be true if that makes sense? Great team don't get me wrong.

I think what OMG67 says might be accurate.. with the age of this team I think they cave under pressure. A little immature compared to a contender who may be a bit older?

I don’t think anyone disagrees with the assertion that if Ottawa wants to win, they’d be better off acquiring multiple experienced pieces to play in key lofty positions on thre depth chart.

I’ve said we needed an OA centre since day one. I was wrong. We didn’t need one to this point. We could have benefited from one for sure but haven’t needed one. We will when things get tougher in the 2nd half.

I’d like to see a D-man to play the 2nd pairing to reduce our reliance on youth on the back end. I’d like an additional winger to help with balance and reduce reliance on youth.

I think we can compete by adding a player like Morrison. I don’t think we separate ourselves from the pack but Inalso don’t think we create a significant deficit by only doing that either.
 
Ben Roger with Shane Wright in a package ? Kingston has some idea with 1 of Roger, Curie or Belanger after just acquiring Lemieux
 
Contender OA spots available…

East:
Ottawa - 1 spot
Peterborough - 1 spot. Plus an Upgrade Panwar? Not likley.
North Bay - could upgrade Winslow
Barrie - Could upgrade MacDonnell

West:
Owen Sound - could upgrade Chenard (G)
Sarnia - Upgrade Dillingham? Not likely.


So, if we look at it realistically, only Ottawa and Peterborough have an open OA spot.

If Owen Sound upgrades on Chenard, it will be for an upgrade in net. So either OA for OA or they snag a younger goalie and couple it with adding an OA.

North Bay doesn’t really have any picks left to make a significant upgrade.

So, really, the OA market shouldn’t be all that active at this point.

You have to think the Shane Wright deal is holding up the Morrison deal. If Ottawa gets Shane wright, Morrison goes to Peterborough (most likley). And Vice Versa. If Wright goes somewhere else, Hamilton picks between offers From Peterborough or Ottawa with the caveat that Peterborough may potentially value a D-Man over a centre.

There could be other upgrades but they would be marginal At best because the rest of the OAs on contenders are heavy contributors.

And, Avery Hayes still remains as well as White. So, Hamilton has all three of the top OAs with Kingston sitting there with Roger. Those seem to be the four up for grabs.
 
Contender OA spots available…

East:
Ottawa - 1 spot
Peterborough - 1 spot. Plus an Upgrade Panwar? Not likely....
NK, especially after his 2 big goals last night
North Bay - could upgrade Winslow
Barrie - Could upgrade MacDonnell

West:
Owen Sound - could upgrade Chenard (G)
Sarnia - Upgrade Dillingham? Not likely.


So, if we look at it realistically, only Ottawa and Peterborough have an open OA spot.

If Owen Sound upgrades on Chenard, it will be for an upgrade in net. So either OA for OA or they snag a younger goalie and couple it with adding an OA.

North Bay doesn’t really have any picks left to make a significant upgrade.

So, really, the OA market shouldn’t be all that active at this point.

You have to think the Shane Wright deal is holding up the Morrison deal. If Ottawa gets Shane wright, Morrison goes to Peterborough (most likley). And Vice Versa. If Wright goes somewhere else, Hamilton picks between offers From Peterborough or Ottawa with the caveat that Peterborough may potentially value a D-Man over a centre.

There could be other upgrades but they would be marginal At best because the rest of the OAs on contenders are heavy contributors.

And, Avery Hayes still remains as well as White. So, Hamilton has all three of the top OAs with Kingston sitting there with Roger. Those seem to be the four up for grabs.
Very well put OMG.
I totally agree that Shane Wright is holding up a number of other deals.
Once his domino falls, the rest will follow.
 
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Watching today's canada us game...wow I would like to add DelMastro to the 67s D corps for sure....
If we don't win in the playoffs we definitely won't be blown out.....alot of OT games for sure.
 
Watching today's canada us game...wow I would like to add DelMastro to the 67s D corps for sure....
If we don't win in the playoffs we definitely won't be blown out.....alot of OT games for sure.
DelMastro is my main target for sure. Morrison as well but DelMastro with Costantini as a pairing with Matier and Mayich for 50 minutes keeps the goals against down for sure.
 
Just a coincidence? But I noticed at the end of the game when team Canada was standing after the awards for o Canada.....Wright ,Matier and DelMastro stood beside each other....hmmm curious.
 


Not the acquisition that anybody was expecting but good news nonetheless. Horner has a very good rep in the CCHL. I wonder if it signals that they aren’t adding another defender at the deadline?
 


Not the acquisition that anybody was expecting but good news nonetheless. Horner has a very good rep in the CCHL. I wonder if it signals that they aren’t adding another defender at the deadline?

Very good pen to paper. This kid is going to be good. That being said, what is about to go down in the coming days that is now 9 Defence on the roster. Something is brewing & it’s not small in my opinion. They did not just do this to trade him away he is here to stay for the season.
 
It isn’t about that. It isn’t about doubting they need to make additions. It is about discrediting what they’ve done to date. The angle of approach when discussing Ottawa is why they aren’t as good as their record and why other teams are better than their record. I don’t understand the logic to be honest.

I understand it from team fans who are bias but I see it from the more respected posters that are not commenting at all on their team.

I can honestly say I think right now that North Bay has the strongest team. I think that is evident. I can make an argument for that. I get it. But it isn’t about that. It is the angle of attack that I find disrespectful. “Ottawa isn’t that good. They will come down to Earth. If they don’t add significantly at the deadline they are toast.” Stuff like that I don’t understand.
OMG
Relax, let all these people tell us how bad we are and that we are not that great. Ottawa has been treated that way for as long as I can remember, This has always been what we needed in the dressing room and in the stands.

It is what the players hear, and it is what drives them to perform at a level that is higher than most teams and makes them a team as the hear that everyone is against them as a team.

You and I both remember when they said that. Killer used to love hearing it and made sure the players were aware of it, It creates the us versus them that has made many of these teams better.

As to the pre covid year that, we got beat by Guelph, I wonder how many fans saw Guelph do the last minute by all selling the future.

This is not just the best OHL team at the moment but it is and always has been the best hockey team on the Ottawa side of eastern Ontario and that includes the also-rans in Kanata at the NHL level.
 
This may seem disrespectful then. The ‘67s have been the most consistent team so far, and I believe that is the reason they have the best record so far. But I don’t think they have the team right now, not even close.
It is funny you say that we do not have the team but yet if you think about it we have not had THE team yet this year. Boucher was injured and suspended as well as the WJC Beck injured, Matier and Mayich were away at international tournaments. We went into a long road trip with no backup goalie and young players that were sick.

I for one look forward to seeing THE TEAM PLAY.

Could we use some help yes we need players that have been there that have the ability to take others to the next level and add some grit to help the younger smaller players

Remember though this is a speed team we do not need big guys that can not skate.

As to worrying about trades take a look not a whole lot is happening to the players that we have talked about.

Morrison still available
Wright Still available
Clarke still available
Del Maestro still avail.
Mntynov unknown

Friday and Saturday are going to be interesting.

It will start with the Kings and Kraken making it official followed closely by the Front, Miss and Barrie making the announcements

Then all hell is going to break lose
 
I haven't watched too many Ottawa games.. but looking at their roster on paper this start seems a little too good to be true if that makes sense? Great team don't get me wrong.

I think what OMG67 says might be accurate.. with the age of this team I think they cave under pressure. A little immature compared to a contender who may be a bit older?
Devin no one and I can say most of us did not expect this team to be this good. BUT they are not because they have an elite player or line lighting up the league but because they found out that no one gave them much hope and they said that was crap and work together as a team.

Cameroon taught them how to play as a team and how to work with each other. They depend on each other to do their best every game and that is what they get.

This is a prototypical Ottawa 67 team. The players know their roles and they are playing to them.
 
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Very good pen to paper. This kid is going to be good. That being said, what is about to go down in the coming days that is now 9 Defence on the roster. Something is brewing & it’s not small in my opinion. They did not just do this to trade him away he is here to stay for the season.
Going to be a very interesting weekend. Got to think that makes Marelli and Ewles more avail.

Looking forward to the rest of this season but can see that next year this is still going to be the top team in the east
 
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Very good pen to paper. This kid is going to be good. That being said, what is about to go down in the coming days that is now 9 Defence on the roster. Something is brewing & it’s not small in my opinion. They did not just do this to trade him away he is here to stay for the season.
Totally agree something is brewing. This kid is likely being brought in for depth as bodies are about to go out imo. Apparently a very high upside player. Marelli replacement?? Ewles??
 
Very good pen to paper. This kid is going to be good. That being said, what is about to go down in the coming days that is now 9 Defence on the roster. Something is brewing & it’s not small in my opinion. They did not just do this to trade him away he is here to stay for the season.

Or he is signed to ensure we have the bodies for next season when DelMastro, Matier, and Costantini are gone?
 
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Hum or on second thought he's the trade bait. He's seventeen so he can be traded.
That seems unlikely. He’s an Ottawa area native and JF said that he’s in the lineup for the 67’s on Friday night.

Why do I think a big deal might be cooking with Mississauga between old friends James Boyd and Richmond?
 
Hum or on second thought he's the trade bait. He's seventeen so he can be traded.

I had that thought initially as well but I’m not sure how much value he’d have.

I think it is more reasonable to assume that if we have one D-Man coming in and two going out then he’d be the #7 until Smyth is back. So, in my mind, he’s here only because Smyth is out. Once Smyth is back, he‘s the #8 and Cameron likes to have access to eight D-Men.

He’d also be on the depth chart for next season similar to how Ewles was coming into this season.

And he’d be in the lineup on Friday night because they are short bodies and the WJHC players are likely not rejoining the team until at least Sunday. They need their family break for Christmas.

It is reasonable to think that at least one D-Man body is on his way out though.
 
Or he is signed to ensure we have the bodies for next season when DelMastro, Matier, and Costantini are gone?
He is playing Friday night. Wright & Del Mastro are aloud to be traded tonight after the game looks like a D is heading out and they will need a body Friday night by the sounds of it.
 
He is playing Friday night. Wright & Del Mastro are aloud to be traded tonight after the game looks like a D is heading out and they will need a body Friday night by the sounds of it.

As I said above, the WJHC guys will likely not join the team until at least Sunday. They have been playing with a short bench so he’ll be another body on the bench this weekend. Unless there are injuries, I doubt we see much of him the rest of the season. I think he’s more likely a depth piece this season and part of the depth chart next season when we graduate a handful of guys.
 
Or he is signed to ensure we have the bodies for next season when DelMastro, Matier, and Costantini are gone?
We’ve been hearing that Del Mastro was going to Sarnia for Porter Martone for a while. If that’s still the plan, the obvious option is Del Bel Belluz.

Owen Beck is the huge prize there, as he would be a two year addition and trades would have to be delayed until after the WJHC. Mississauga is really light in the ‘04 group after trading Lavoie and are unlikely to contend next year.
 
As I said above, the WJHC guys will likely not join the team until at least Sunday. They have been playing with a short bench so he’ll be another body on the bench this weekend. Unless there are injuries, I doubt we see much of him the rest of the season. I think he’s more likely a depth piece this season and part of the depth chart next season when we graduate a handful of guys.
We are just as short on body’s tonight. Why would he not play tonight?
 
With respect, you don’t understand my point. I will try to be more clear because I am not making my point clear enough. It is my fault.

There are two approaches to viewing the best teams, most successful people or successful businesses.

1> Respect for their accomplishments. People view them with reverence and look at the positives.
or
2> Disrespect or discount their accomplishments. People don’t understand why they are where they are and they try to discredit their standing mostly because of preconceived expectations. People look for reasons to discredit a team, person or company by pointing out advantages or others entities disadvantages to diminish their success. Essentially saying it is unwarranted.

This is a situation where when speaking about Ottawa, what I see a lot of is, “Sure, Ottawa is tops in the league but…
Insert reason one
Insert reason two
Insert reason three

Positives:
1> We have the best 16-17 year old core in the league. Hands down. That is demonstrated by our standing and the impact those players have on the results of our games. That is not to say we have the individual best player etc. Just the best collection.
2> We have two strong goalies as evidenced by their Goals Against Average
3> We have 8 OHL D-Men that have all contributed to a fairly high level. The combination of strong and consistent goaltending, a good returning core of D-Men and dedication to overall puck control has led to reduced scoring opportunities and positive results in the defensive zone
4> We are close to the league lead in Goals For and don’t have anyone in the top 25 in scoring which means we don’t rely on one line or a couple players to carry the load
5> We have an accomplished Head Coach that has demonstrated success in the past. He just came off a WJHC Gold Medal this summer. They’ve also made a strong investment in a supporting staff on and off the bench
6> They’ve faced adversity this season with injuries, suspensions, sickness and players lost to International Tournaments. No one can say we’ve benefitted from “good fortune”
7> They made sacrifices at the beginning of the season trading away four 19 year olds and one 20 year old to give way to the younger players who have found success
8> They still have an OA spot as well as an Import slot. They have found success without filling key roster spots
9> Of their 6 losses, only one game was by a wider margin than 2 goals. They’ve been in all games other than one.
10> Since the end of last season (2022 Priority Draft), the team has moved expendable players with no spot to play plus a 6th and have netted a balance of a 2nd, five 3rds, a 5th and an 8th. These picks can be used to strengthen this seasons roster at the deadline without using any picks they didn’t have at the beginning of April last year.

Negatives:
1> They’ve had an easy schedule (not something they can control)
2> Only 6-4-1 against what we’d consider the top teams. 3 losses and SO loss all on the road. Only one of those losses on home ice. That makes them 4-1 on home ice against the stronger teams

On balance, there seem to be a lot of positives and very few negatives. The fact the team has a great group of younger players provides two significant advantages. First, they can use some of those players in deals for more experienced players. Second, if they add players and those younger players move lower on the depth chart, they have tried and tested substitutes to step in during times of injury. They don’t need to catch up to the competition. They are already ahead. They have all the core elements in place. They play strong defence and score goals. The scoring is spread out which means they don’t rely on a handful of players. They’ve accumulated a lot of picks that can be used to improve further if they choose to do so.

They don’t have control over their schedule. Their losses have mostly been on the road in a league that usually benefits the home team. It is not unusual for the stronger teams to lose to the other stronger teams when they play on the road.

They’ve faced a lot of adversity with player games lost and don’t have the benefit of a team that has had the advantage of consistent health. Teams can’t point to them having that advantage.

I think on balance, it is unfair to focus on schedule. They don’t have control over their schedule. London is 10-5 and North Bay is 9-4 when I use the same criteria for strength of opponent. Clearly a better outcome for sure but they’ve had more opportunity as well. Strength of schedule may result in maybe a 4 point boost for Ottawa (assuming they would have lost two additional games of four which is below their current win% against stronger teams). That puts them at par with London and North Bay at 49 points.

I stand by my assertion that Ottawa gets discredited for a small handful of reasons while their positives are ignored or misunderstood.
The micro analytics really doesn't address the problem, any team can put a positive or negative twist on a situation if they try hard enough. If the team wants to win a Championship there are things that need to happen, it doesn't take away from what they have done up to this point. The team has still had to win these games, and they have the best record in the league because of it, there is no taking away from that.
 
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