Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)
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Larionov
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Kraken just sent Shane Wright back to Kingston - I will freely admit I got that one wrong. I thought he'd be heading back to Seattle. Let the sweepstakes begin...
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I really don’t see Wright in Ottawa. I think the chances are better we see one of DelMastro or Mintyukov.
Then add the OA which would be Morrison. I think Hamilton is just waiting on the Wright deal to go down to make sure they can up the ante if Wright goes somewhere other than Peterborough. If Wright goes to Peterborough, I think they lose the ability of getting a player instead of picks. Meaning, the contingent Peterborough offer probably includes players and the Ottawa offer is likely just picks (or includes a lessor player). I think that makes sense as to why deals with Hamilton for OAs have not been completed.
If I had to guess, and this is a complete guess, I’d say Wright goes to the Petes and Morrison to Ottawa. Petes add a cheap OA D-Man from Niagara. Ottawa gets one of DelMastro or Mintyukov.
Not sure where Barrie goes in this but I don’t think e see the first big deal until Clarke is officially sent back. I think Barrie needs that before they make the big commitment.
Then add the OA which would be Morrison. I think Hamilton is just waiting on the Wright deal to go down to make sure they can up the ante if Wright goes somewhere other than Peterborough. If Wright goes to Peterborough, I think they lose the ability of getting a player instead of picks. Meaning, the contingent Peterborough offer probably includes players and the Ottawa offer is likely just picks (or includes a lessor player). I think that makes sense as to why deals with Hamilton for OAs have not been completed.
If I had to guess, and this is a complete guess, I’d say Wright goes to the Petes and Morrison to Ottawa. Petes add a cheap OA D-Man from Niagara. Ottawa gets one of DelMastro or Mintyukov.
Not sure where Barrie goes in this but I don’t think e see the first big deal until Clarke is officially sent back. I think Barrie needs that before they make the big commitment.
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Clarke has been sent back. Just hasn’t been made ”official“
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For clarity, What I am saying is the dominos will fall as:
1- If Wright goes to Petes, it means Morrison is likely going to Ottawa in a picks heavy deal. If Wright doesn’t go to Petes, Morrison likely goes to Petes in a package for less picks and more players. Hamilton is waiting on Wright’s destination because they want players from Peterborough more than picks from Ottawa. Or at least that is how I am reading this.
2- Now that Clarke seems to be headed back to Barrie, Barrie is hunting. The problem is they don’t have a lot of expendable players. They are either too good and would need to be replaced if traded (Akey) or they are sorta undesirable. That leaves them in pick heavy offers unless they deal Beaudoin.
3- Mintyukov and DelMastro are the studs available after Wright.
Based on discussion in the Barrie thread, looks like some reliable info suggests Wright is going to Barrie. The speculation is Beaudoin plus three 2nds and three 3rds. Again, the return for Wright is speculation but it sounds like Wright to Barrie is a done deal.
That does somewhat complicate things because I think that means Petes are likely in on Morrison. Since they are short of draft picks, they likely look at it being more roster player based trade If they make it happen. I have no insider info on this. Just the way I am reading the room right now,
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If you're James Boyd, you have to do your due diligence and at least put a package out to Kingston for their consideration. Hold a little sweetener back in case you need it, but present them the structure of what we would offer for Wright. Here it is - let us know if you like it. Just avoid getting into a protracted auction, and I'm happy. For instance, Mews is completely 110 percent untouchable - it isn't even up for discussion.
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That’s not really how it works. It’s close but not accurate.
Essentially what happens is Kingston will send out the parameters of what a deal would look like. They will say an ‘06 1st or mature ‘05 plus picks equal to three 2nds and three 3rds is the minimum we would consider.
Teams then could call Kingston for clarification but they don’t talk trade specific. More like defining the pieces in broad terms.
Teams then formulate one or more different offers for consideration. For example, a tema like Ottawa could have a deal involving Marrelli and a separate option involving Foster. Depending on how Ottawa values the players, they may alter the picks component etc so that neither deal has the same picks or add ons.
Kingston then compiles the offers, reviews them and would typically go to the team withthe best structured offer (not necessarily the best offer) and see if they can tweak it. For example, maybe Peterborough offers Lardis in one deal and JVV inn another deal. They like one of the payers better thant he other but they want to adjust the picks to make it work. Essentially what Kingston is doin in that case is they have identified the PLAYER that they like the best out of all the offers and want to build the rest of the trade around that player. They wouldn’t “auctioning.” They see a player they really like and want to finish off the rest of the deal structure. If they are unable to tweak it to their liking, they may go to the deal involving the next best KEY PLAYER offered and work with that team.
Boyd may have given an offer but there could be other offers with players Kingston likes more as the key piece. Kingston may come back and say to Boyd that if they want to be in the running, they have to include Mews and request an alternate package. Boyd can choose to go that route or not. IF Boyd chooses to not go that route then that usually means there are other offers that include players that exceed what Boyd has offered.
There isn’t an auction per se but there is a feeling out process prior to the offer stage. I assume Boyd would know whether he has a shot and would act accordingly.
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Seems like a seller's market. At this point, I'd be happy with acquiring Morrison to fill the vacant OA spot. Let Barrie, Sarnia and Peterborough blow their brains out on Wright, Del Mastro, Minyukov and we live to fight another day. Mews shouldn't be parted with under any condition (imo).
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I don’t think Mews is an issue.
What it comes down to is whether Marrelli and Foster have better or similar strategic value to VanVolsen, Lardis, Beaudoin and Martone etc.
If our two guys don’t have strong strategic value compared tot he other players listed then it will be tough for Ottawa to make a huge move. It is what it is but we cannot trade Mews so it is what it is.
I am ok with Morrison and Grushnikov if our assets don’t line up with the other available assets. If they went that way, maybe they could add another 3rd line type forward that can stretch the roster to four full ines without using Kelly or Dever.
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It would depend on what people consider a depth move to be.
As much as adding players like Wright, DelMastro and Beck would be exciting, the prices are super high by the looks of things.
If we come out of this with Morrison and Grushnikov and it ends up costing only draft picks, I think that is a successful deadline. Will it position us really well for a Championship? Probably not. But, we should play a minimum of two rounds while returning a solid roster next year. Not a Plan A from my perspective, but a solid Plan B
If adding a depth piece means picking up a marginal OA for a 3rd and 5th round pick is the “depth move” then this would be a disaster of a deadline.
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Sounds like Hayes and White to the Petes.
That could be good news. It means they wouldn’t be in on Morrison.
That would mean any team other than Ottawa trading for Morrison would need to trade an OA.
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Do you think any team is looking to book a blockbuster for both Clarke and Wright? Rental players that will be very expensive. Much like the Tavares / Del Zotto deal back a few years. I've always felt that big deals don't change the fact that there is only one puck on the ice at a time. Windsor has made a bunch of deals. Barrie has one of the big names and, maybe, they could add the other?
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ecraigs
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I asked a Barrie fan about them making a run and he said "naw". I'm not so sure that he was right. They've made a couple of "meh" moves, including one to Kingston. Those almost looked like housekeeping.
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They traded for Savard. Good deal. They’ve got 9 2nds through 2026, 5 in 2024 alone.
I can’t see them sit in the picks.
Nothing is official because Wright needs to approve the deal but it is sounding like Barrie is where Wright is likely to end up.
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They gave up on Haight, which must have hurt. To be fair, I asked my source about this back in early November, when both Clarke and Wright were in a holding pattern. Savard was a good pickup. Decent scorer. This whole trade deadline could get nuts.
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It will be interesting. Potential big names:
Owen Beck
DelBelBelluz
DelMastro
Morrison ((OA)
Mintyukov
Shane Wright
Grushnikov
Plus a bunch of other secondary names that may plug a bunch of holes deeper on lineups.
Seems to be a number of teams willing to sell everything not nailed down and a bunch of teams that could care less going into next season with a jr B team.
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