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Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)
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beastintheeast
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unless beck has been practicing with the team in full contact I expect him to get limited ice time this weekend unstill everyone is sure.
Clarke is the same if Barrie get him back do they make the trades to go for it or trade him
This is the NHL messing with the CHL
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Barrie has ten 2nd round picks with five of them in 2024. If Clarke is returned, I don’t see any reason for them to do anything other than liquidate some of those picks and make a run this season.
The NHL is not messing with the CHL. Provided the NHL teams make their transaction to either recall or reassign their players at the end of the tournament the following day after their tournament is done (Friday), the NHL teams are being courteous to the CHL. There should not be an expectation for the NHL to make an announcement prior. The CHL teams cannot trade the players until their Tournament is done anyway. So, it is not like they are holding anything up.
Even if you made an argument that not knowing holds up other trades, what does that matter? The deadline is Jan 9 and 10th. That is a full 4-5 days after the end of the WJHC tournament. That is more than enough time to process all the transactions. Teams mostly know what is going on even if we don’t. Teams know what the trade prices are and where their players are fitting into the market.
As much as it may be somewhat frustrating for fans not knowing what is happening, it doesn’t mean the teams don’t know.
with the holidays it will be difficult to determine exactly how much he has been working with the team, but Ottawa will have ensured he went through the full gantlet of exercise and testing prior to participating in a game. They won't be throwing him out there in any situation without the full confidence he is prepared to do so, its not like coming back from a broken bone.
As far as Clarke and Wright goes, this is not the NHL messing with the CHL, as much as it is not public it is not a secret to those involved either. This approach is taken in the best interest of the players, and not being another distraction while they are at the WJC.
If Clarke returns and the pieces to improve the team are made available, it will be a full send by Williamson in Barrie. He's not going to spend good assets on garbage either though. The list of players who can improve that team is short and the number available is even smaller. It won't be a lot different than what Ottawa is considering, and the approach won't be a whole lot different with the exception being they aren't likely shopping the OA market which leaves the Morrison, White and Hayes trio in Hamilton off the board. Wright, DelMastro and Harrison would be at the top of the list. I suspect the big WJC deals are done already, once they are announced the scramble by the teams on the outside looking in will complete the Morrison and Harrison deals.
He's been on it since the beginning of the season and was on the pre-season roster as well.
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Watching him play in the world juniors, I have a hard time believing that Clarke won't be sent back to Barrie. My assessment is that he has poor defensive awareness, and can be overly-aggressive offensively. Not to mention his ugly skating stride...
Being played 25-30 minutes a night at this level of competition probably isn't helping though, as Williams has made poor use of his depth players.
His composure handling the puck is where his strength is, once in possession he makes good reads and distributes the puck well. Clarke is never going to be a shutdown defender, as he matures they will look for him to utilize his tools better defensively. At 6'2 the skating stride and speed is deceptive, as is the case with a number of pro level players.
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I don't disagree with what you said, but unless he's playing sheltered minutes in LA I can't see him be anything but a defensive liability in the NHL until he rounds out his game. The puck skills are are very strong (and evident), but the decision-making and defensive composure is questionable imo. I have little doubt he can get there, and if he is returned to Barrie after the tournament concludes I believe he'll tear up the OHL in his remaining months in the league.
Really, my only point is that I can easily see him sent to Barrie at the conclusion of the world juniors.
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Savard would have been a really good add for Ottawa, imo. Nice middle-six winger to complement our younger/less physical forwards.
He was on my wishlist as well. Good size and chips in with a ppg. In addition, he woulld of added another veteran presence to the young lineup.
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He is also a strong possible OA candidate for next season.
Looks like we are seeing some of the non-WJHC players move today.
I guess this means the Harrison and DelBelBelluz watch starts now. Maybe Mintyukov as well?
Something tells me Moreiaon won’t move until after Wright. No information on my part, just a gutt feeling.
Players are slowly starting to get taken off the board let’s take a look at the top players remaining. In no order below is my list of OA’s & O3’s
OA likely to be Available
Ryan Gagnier C OSH
Logan Morrison C HAM
Avery Hayes RW HAM
Kalvyn Watson RW SOO
Mark Duratee RW SOO
Cameron Butler RW OSH
Nick DeGrazia LW SBY
James Hardie LW MISS
David Jesus RD NIA
Ben Roger RD KGN
Gavin White RD HAM
Alec Belanger LD KGN
Jake Murray LD GUE
Ian Lemieux LD BAR
03 that could be available
Amadeus Lombardi 03 C FLNT
Del Bel Belluz 03 C MISS
Brett Harrison 03 C OSH
Nolan Dan 03 LW NIA
Del Mastro 03 LD MISS
Artyom Grushnikov 03 LD HAM
Pavel Mintyukov 03 LD SAG
David Jesus 03 RD NIAG
OA likely to be Available
Ryan Gagnier C OSH
Logan Morrison C HAM
Avery Hayes RW HAM
Kalvyn Watson RW SOO
Mark Duratee RW SOO
Cameron Butler RW OSH
Nick DeGrazia LW SBY
James Hardie LW MISS
David Jesus RD NIA
Ben Roger RD KGN
Gavin White RD HAM
Alec Belanger LD KGN
Jake Murray LD GUE
Ian Lemieux LD BAR
03 that could be available
Amadeus Lombardi 03 C FLNT
Del Bel Belluz 03 C MISS
Brett Harrison 03 C OSH
Nolan Dan 03 LW NIA
Del Mastro 03 LD MISS
Artyom Grushnikov 03 LD HAM
Pavel Mintyukov 03 LD SAG
David Jesus 03 RD NIAG
| Jan 3 | GUE | Danny Zhilkin GUE 8 2025 | KIT | Jesse Fishman BAR 2 2023 HAM 4 2023 OSH 3 2024 HAM 2 2025 KIT 3 2025 KIT 3 2026 |
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This is a little but of revisionist history but is there anyone out there now that still feels Belanger is a better D-Man than Costantini? I know last season Belanger was probably the asset withthe higher value at the deadline but there is no question keeping the RH D-Man as the OA was the right decision regardless sof how well Costantini has played this year.
Costantini has played really well with Matier gone. I wasn’t sure if he was going to be able to step into Jack’s skates during his absence but he has managed to pick up the slack.
I know the younger guys get a lot of the accolades because of their advanced performance this season but I don’t think Costantini has received anywhere near enough praise for what he has done.
Costantini has played really well with Matier gone. I wasn’t sure if he was going to be able to step into Jack’s skates during his absence but he has managed to pick up the slack.
I know the younger guys get a lot of the accolades because of their advanced performance this season but I don’t think Costantini has received anywhere near enough praise for what he has done.
Belanger been hurt most of the season but I mean anyone with two eyes knows Belanger when healthy is the better D. I would like to try & upgrade Costantini at the deadline much better OA’s out there. We have to remember since we lost the guys to WJ we have played terrible teams Kingston, Oshawa, Guelph & lost to a terrible Hamilton team. Glad we are getting the points but I mean not much offence coming at ya from the teams we have played.
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Belanger didn’t prove it in Ottawa as a D-Man. He played a solid role as a swing man part-time forward but last season he didn’t live anywhere near up to expectations. He’s a half point per game d-Man on a good team and that is what he displayed last year. Less this year with a weaker team.
Costantini has been steady defensively all season. He has been great in net front coverage defensively. He’s had some difficulties, more so earlier on, with transition coverage defensively but he’s managed to narrow his gaps and keep on the right side of the play more often. He’s chipped in some good offence. HE also plays from the right side which has significant value And gives the team some options.
Are there better OA RHD options out there? Yes. But not significantly better, at least not enough to manage the cost. I do like David Jesus a lot though. Keane would also be an upgrade. But would you take a grass is greener approach in that regard? You have a known quantity contributing on and off the ice. You bring in a marginal upgrade and potentially hurt the team in other ways? I’m not sure that would be a great approach.
I say try to do what is necessary to bring in DelMastro and play him with Costantini. You have to wpairings that can play 50 minutes of the game and not give much up on the back end, if any.
I believe that was always the plan, the challenge with Clarke is he does and will dominate junior so getting him the minutes against the faster and stronger players at the pro level was important - yes it was very sheltered. The key element is the ability to process the information and getting the mind to move at pro speed. I understand the defensive concern, he can't be leaving players open in the slot to jump a player below the goal line.
With the injuries Belanger's play leveled off and the progressions are not as visible. Costantini is a steady D who lacks the physical components that many other OA's bring, the transition defense has improved, he's never going to be able to tie up or dump an offensive player in front of the net which may become an issue in playoff hockey. At the pure skill level he skates and moves the puck as well as any of them.
DelMastro would be a great pick-up for Ottawa.
Del Mas or Wright would be great. Team Canada could be eliminated tomorrow evening. This could put them in the lineup on Sunday if a deal happens to be done & just not announced until after the tournament. Time will tell but it’s time for JB to answer if he is going to.
Even if they lose tomorrow they still play Thursday in the bronze medal game so Sunday is probably out.
Likely to land Friday no reason why they do not play Sunday. But I guess we shall see
in my opinion, Belanger did not prove it last year in Kingston either. His progress seems to have stopped.
I think Constantini has been way more valuable to the 67s this year than what Belanger would have been.
Look at the last 5 games, the team being shorthanded, playing with three rookies, the D has continued to play very effectively and complement our overall game.
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