Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)
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67`s down 5-3
3RD 2:08 #13 Tyler Boucher (9) scores.
3RD 11:01 #9 Chris Barlas (5) scores. Assists: #10 Cameron TolnaiSHORT HANDED
3RD 2:08 #13 Tyler Boucher (9) scores.
3RD 11:01 #9 Chris Barlas (5) scores. Assists: #10 Cameron TolnaiSHORT HANDED
dominated in every category even though some might not show it. Team better find some toughness soon Windsor bigger, stronger, faster demolished in both scraps. I would love someone to go back & count the SOG 67’s did not have 19 in the 3rd period home town favouriting there. Need a D man terribly bad
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There are times when the kids aren’t going to be on their best game. They can and have gotten away with it agaisnt the weaker teams and maybe a home game here or there but you can’t do it on the road agaisnt a strong team. So be it.
However, this is the reason why I (and others) have pointed out that you can’t rely so heavily on the 17 year olds. The games are only going to get tougher and you need enough depth of experience to help lift the team up when some of the other vets are sluggish and not quite on their game.
Windsor played a very sold game and didn’t give Ottawa enough room to cruise to a win. Ottawa needed to actually play and they didn’t answer the bell tonight.
On a positive note, both North Bay and Peterborough lost as well so no one gains ground other than Barrie.
Things are going to get lean if Beck doesn’t return soon though. It’s going to be tough sledding next weekend without Matier, Boucher and Rohrer. If Beck is still out, ouchie!
However, this is the reason why I (and others) have pointed out that you can’t rely so heavily on the 17 year olds. The games are only going to get tougher and you need enough depth of experience to help lift the team up when some of the other vets are sluggish and not quite on their game.
Windsor played a very sold game and didn’t give Ottawa enough room to cruise to a win. Ottawa needed to actually play and they didn’t answer the bell tonight.
On a positive note, both North Bay and Peterborough lost as well so no one gains ground other than Barrie.
Things are going to get lean if Beck doesn’t return soon though. It’s going to be tough sledding next weekend without Matier, Boucher and Rohrer. If Beck is still out, ouchie!
Meh poor effort first two periods. Credit to Windsor, one of a few times we were outplayed when healthy. The one positive for me was Marelli, incredible change since u17, looks like a vet out there and physical.
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Have to wonder if only having 1 goalie also made a difference. This was always thought of as 3 points on this trip is good.
After they scored their first 3 goals we managed to outscore them 3 to 2. We were not ready for the start of the game at all, very poor defensive zone coverage, the puck was bouncing all over with no control and we looked like we were just going through the motions.
The 3rd period we came out like a whole new team. Although one period against good teams will not work in your favour very often. Even with the poor effort we could of still scored a couple of more goals if not for shooting the puck over the net from right in front and deflections going wide. Windsor deserved the win and came out like they really wanted it right from the get go..
They better be on time tonight as London is 8 and 2 in the last 10.
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I don't think the market on Mintyukov would require Ottawa to include Marrelli, and I really don't think 06's are what Saginaw has interest in acquiring. They are building around Misa (next year and the year after), that window does not fit most 06's including Marelli's skillset. The question becomes whether the ceiling on Sirman & Dever is high enough compared to the other options that may be presented... I see Saginaw setting their sights a little higher at a player like Foster or Gardiner, they may even be willing to take a flyer on Barlas if Sirman is included in the deal.
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I is interesting that you say that. I said the exact same thing last night. It looks like he has caught up to the speed and has started to settle into a groove.
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The Mintyukov deal is going to be the most difficult to figure. I feel the same way as you with respect to what they want. It is pretty hard for Ottawa because any player that moves the needle is a player that is probably more advanced than we want to give because it creates a hole we then have to go back and fill. This is why O am starting to think any deal with Saginaw probably has two players coming back. Both players coming back would be 19.
To me, Saginaw needs the D-Man in return. They traded Hislop and now it would be Mintyukov. Sirman makes the most sense when you look at our roster. But if Barrie is willing to part with Akey then we aren’t in that conversation at all.
If Ottawa makes any serious impact deal, you have to think Barlas is going the other way though. You gotta give something and I think that is where the 67s are willing to go.
Agree, this is where the transactions the teams make gets more complicated as its never as simple as just add a top player without giving something up. Ottawa has stripped things down to allow that type of move, but I'm not sure there are alot of teams outside of Hamilton who are looking at a straight players for picks as being good enough.
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The challenge that we don’t normally see that we are seeing this year is four of the teams selling players at the deadline are all bidding for the host duties of the Memorial Cup. This means they likely want players that can contribute next year. That is not the norm. This means they are likely to want 17 and 18 year olds as opposed to 16 year olds. Of course, if the 16 year old is elite like Mews then that would tip the scales.
I know one of the Barrie fans was talking about shipping Akey + picks to Saginaw for Mintyukov. If they do that, the only way Ottawa could compete is to ship Mews there, which they would be highly unlikely to do.
The 67’s have a gap with very few more experienced players that wouldn’t need to be replaced if traded. If they trade a player like Sirman for Mintyukov, Sirman is replaced by Mintyukov of course. But, if they had to trade Foster for Mintyukov, you then have to replace Foster somehow. Can they replace a 25 goals scorer internally?
This is where it all gets complicated with a lot of moving parts. You want to try to trade same position for same position. But, the value of those players may not line up the same way.
If you trade a guy like foster for Mintyukov the question is can we fill fosters loss in house? Can Kelly be foster on that line? Or when Dever is heathy can he fill Foster spot?
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That was exactly my point. IF it cost the 67’s a piece that is already contributing, do we replace that contributing piece with another 19 year old ont he trade market that maybe isn‘t in the elite category?
Of, do we even need to replace Foster? Would Foster be on the 4th line With multiple additions?
That is what makes the puzzle piece start to fall apart a bit.
The one thing I have noticed over the last few weeks is Barlas has a higher and more consistent compete level. He kills penalties well. He drives the net more. But, Foster has the higher ceiling by far as an offensive player but he seems to disappear for entire games now and then. That may be because he is younger and a rookie but the question really is, what do the 67’s need more? Foster is an easier target but if you want to keep Gardiner with Barlas and Gerrior but shift them to the 4th line post-deadline, maybe Foster isn’t a bad option to use to acquire a more consistent 19 year old As opposed to Barlas?
I would chew off my left arm live on the Internet if Donoso was on the bench tonight…..
With Mews being a year younger than Akey there is a gap there, on the defensive side of things more than the offensive. Its certainly a comparable and in any other situation Mews would likely be considered the better option.
When you start looking at the Foster or Gardiner options you also have to factor in the potential of adding the centre we have all exhausted considerable effort discussing previously, they aren't trying to replace it internally they are upgrading it. Take away Sirman, Foster + picks and add Morrison and Mintyukov. Your replacing 2 players a year away from being impactful with two that are, the team is much better this year for it!
Turn the page on next year and the core of Pinelli, Rohrer, Stonehouse, Gardiner, Gerrior, Mayich, Smyth, Mews and Marrelli are all still there - with Quick, Dever, Ewles, and Kelly a year older and hopefully ready to contribute. Add an Import, and if Beck returns they should be well on there. The point is, teams can't have it all every year, but in years like this one there has to be some commitment to finishing the process. The days of developing a three line machine from within are long gone. The game and the way teams need to structure lineups to develop its players just doesn't allow for it.
Barrie trading Akey is almost unthinkable. The kid is trending towards being a 25-35 NHL pick.
What if we went all in
Brady Stonehouse- Cameron Tolnai- Jack Beck
Luca Pinelli-Brett Harrison- Tyler Boucher
Will Gerrior- Francesco Pinelli- Vinzenz Rohrer
Chris Barlas- Brad Gardiner-Jack Dever
Derek Smyth - Jack Matier
Pavel Mintyukov - Anthony Costantini
Matthew Mayich - Henry Mews
Collin MacKenzie
Max Donoso
Scratched
Gavin Ewles
Steven Laforme
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Trade To Saginaw
Thomas Sirman
Cooper Foster
Picks ??
To Ottawa
Pavel Mintyukov
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Trade To Kitchener
Frankie Marrelli
Ethan Quick
To Ottawa
Francesco Pinelli
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Trade To Oshawa
Caden Kelly
Picks ??
To Ottawa
Brett Harrison
Brady Stonehouse- Cameron Tolnai- Jack Beck
Luca Pinelli-Brett Harrison- Tyler Boucher
Will Gerrior- Francesco Pinelli- Vinzenz Rohrer
Chris Barlas- Brad Gardiner-Jack Dever
Derek Smyth - Jack Matier
Pavel Mintyukov - Anthony Costantini
Matthew Mayich - Henry Mews
Collin MacKenzie
Max Donoso
Scratched
Gavin Ewles
Steven Laforme
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Trade To Saginaw
Thomas Sirman
Cooper Foster
Picks ??
To Ottawa
Pavel Mintyukov
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Trade To Kitchener
Frankie Marrelli
Ethan Quick
To Ottawa
Francesco Pinelli
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Trade To Oshawa
Caden Kelly
Picks ??
To Ottawa
Brett Harrison
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I know but the reality is they would have Clarke and Mintyukov. Is that a difference maker? There has been the specualtion that Bedard could be available in the WHL. Doubt it happens but where there is smoke…. If a kid like Bedard could be available? Is Akey a 4 year player? If he doesn’t project as a 4 year player, what good would he be to Barrie if he is here this year and next and then gone?
Like the basis of this particular situation, the type of market that seems to be shaping up is different than normal. Oshawa wants an ‘06 for Harrison. Great. Normal ask. But we don’t see teams like Saginaw and Kingston looking for the traditional rebuild trade. They are likely looking at the repositioning type of trade.
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Kelly isn’t trade eligible as a non-1st round pick 16 year old.
I don’t think Sirman and Foster would go together but who knows.
The trade for Pinelli is too much. He isn’t worth an ‘06 1st.
A better (far fetched) possibility would be:
Trade #1:
To Ottawa:
Morrison
To Hamilton:
Quick
two 2nds (including one of the 2023’s)
three 3rds
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Trade #2
To Ottawa
Harrison
McIntyre
To Oshawa:
Marrelli
2nd
two 3rds
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Trade #3
To Ottawa
Mintyukov
To Saginaw
Sirman
Dever
two 2nds
three 3rds
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RESULT:
Beck - Tolnai - Foster
Pinelli - Rohrer - Boucher
Harrison - Morrison - Stonehouse
Barlas - Gardiner - Gerrior
Mayich - Matier
Mintyukov - Costantini
Smyth - Mews
Donoso
MacKenzie
I think that is probably more realistic from a trade return perspective. The only question is the Mintyukov deal. I think the picks portion is right. I think the Sirman part is right. I am jsut not sure about the Dever part. I think it is right but it may be slightly light and I think there are other teams that may have A better fit player than Sirman.
Cholach-Clarke
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There is no good reason to add D. Punnet & Cholach are legitimate #2 D.
Wright-Arcuri, & Michaud; look out!
convincing Sale to come over would be icing on the cake
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Did you just trade for McIntyre and then he didn't make your roster... Gens just got him though, he's not going anywhere
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He gets inserted on the 4th line when they need size. Plus, it is likely someone is injured. I wanted the added safety net of a bigger player to fill in instead of a 16 year old Kelly.
It that is the case then they get Wright, Arcuri, Harrison and another forward. It blows everyone out of the water.
I think we go all in, I would support that. Im not sure if Boyd will pull a bunch of moves off he seems to speak highly of this group & talks often about “years to come” i forgot kelly can not be moved, I think our top priority is a D I really do. Smyth could be out long term I’ve seen Mono take months off guys seasons. I don’t mind throwing Dever in on a trade but from what I’ve heard he’s is out long term therefore likely won’t be added in any trades that is why I didn’t put him in the mix. Deadline is quickly approaching I think you see some stuff done soon in passed years it seemed big deals came before the deadline to get the extra games out of the new players. Shifting to tonight big game VS London our hands will be full I’m excited to see how we answer after last night
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