Confirmed Trade: [OTT/STL] Zach Sanford for Logan Brown and cond. 2022 4th

[SensontheRush]

Dorion did Brown a solid trading him to Missouri. Good luck, guys got talent.

Seems to be the mo, Dorion traded off Jaros and Lajoie for negligeable returns (though Bishop is decent) so that they didn't stew in the minors and received a better career opportunity.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Will Brown play in the NHL is the more relevant question. Probably not.

Exactly this. Like the size on Sanford too.

 

[Reality Czech]

Haven't watched Sanford much, but I've been firmly on the side of sens fans who believe he is an NHL player. His injuries have hurt him the most, but he still has a chance to explode and I hope he does it in St. Louis.

My biggest issue with him is how often he plays unmotivated. When he's on, he's ON. But it's not often enough and the injuries only make it worse. Maybe playing for his home town will give him that extra bit of motivation to hit that next level.

Sanford is surely an NHL player, and probably better than most Blues fans give him credit for. The coaching staff has turned him into more of a two-way player, who can be trusted at both ends of the ice. He actually led all Blues forwards in blocked shots and became a serviceable PKer last year with many of our players injured. I think the fact that he got so much playing time with ROR/Perron led Blues fans to expect more from him, but if you're just expecting him to be a solid, unremarkable bottom 6 guy then you won't be disappointed.

Regarding Brown, most of the local STL players seem to be pretty close and work out together in the offseason, so I'm guessing he's pretty familiar to many people within the Blues organization already. His father Jeff has a ton of local connections still, so if Logan can't succeed in this environment then perhaps he never will.

 

[SwivelSchwartz]

Blues are just trying to get more of Matt tkachuk’s friends to entice him

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Did Sanford ever play his offside in St. Louis? I ask because Ottawa's roster currently looks like this (once we figure out which center goes where):

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Stutzle Pinto Brown
Paul White ?????
Formenton Tierney Watson

We have a big gaping hole at 3rd line RW. We can move Watson up, he can handle it, but the main issue is that Paul, Formenton, and now Sanford are all LW and we have nowhere to put them all. One of them has to switch to RW and no one seems to know which.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

One of them has to switch to RW and no one seems to know which.

It's Nick Paul, DJ was just talking him up the other day and discussing how he was able to play any of the 3 forward positions. He probably knew Dorion was looking as at a LW. Plus Garrioch said it in his last article so you know that's coming straight from the org.

 

[jbeck5]

I think his effort issues are mostly compounded by his playstyle and his footspeed. I don't think he's any lazier than a majority of NHL players, but I agree that he LOOKS a lot lazier out there. Does that make sense?

When he pushes himself he can have a good top-speed. He doesn't have a skating issue that limits him, he's just a big guy who takes a while to get up to speed. When he wants to, he can catch some guys with his long stick and long stride. I saw it today in the scrimmage against Connor Brown. He is NOT quick footed though. Guys get around him, guys beat him to pucks constantly, and he can't chase someone down unless he really pushes himself. That's where the effort comes in. If he pushed himself more, he wouldn't get beat to pucks so much. He would also get more zone time offensively and would get pucks out of the defensive zone more.

The other issue is his playstyle. He likes to watch the play and make reads. This works for a slow guy like Mark Stone who gets a ton of turnovers and intercepts passes. Brown doesn't have that same feel for the game and the same anticipation defensively. As a result, he gets beat to pucks, doesn't hustle, and then watches as guys get off good scoring opportunities while he sits there, not moving his feet, looking dumb as hell. If he kept his feet moving, it probably wouldn't change the end result, but it wouldn't look so bad as watching him glide around the defensive zone 1-2 plays behind the puck.

There are guys who work less than Brown but manage due to their playstyle. Guys like Mark Stone. I also think there are also guys who are physical freaks who have insane footspeed for their size who also put in the same effort as Brown, but don't get beat as much and thus it isn't apparent that they aren't working hard. Brown has this trifecta of issues that feed into one another.

On the flipside, offensively, the Brown simply understands what to do like it is second nature. Watching him control the puck off a bad pass. or perfectly timing his zone entry to match another forward is something some guys never master. Offensively the anticipation he has to drive to the net and his instincts are great.

I wish him all the best, hopefully he figures it out, because he still has all the offensive potential in the world.

Wait.

Did you just say Logan brown tries harder than mark stone???

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Dorion did Brown a solid trading him to Missouri. Good luck, guys got talent.

Seems to be the mo, Dorion traded off Jaros and Lajoie for negligeable returns (though Bishop is decent) so that they didn't stew in the minors and received a better career opportunity.

No surprise when his mentor was B. Murray

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Wait.

Did you just say Logan brown tries harder than mark stone???

I'm saying the opposite.

My point was that they're both big, slow footed, guys. Stone manages to be exceptional defensively despite this limitation. Brown meanwhile, is bad.

I'm saying that if Logan Brown is going to be a Mark Stone quality player, he's going to have to work a hell of a lot harder than Mark Stone because he doesn't have Mark Stone's instincts and feel for the game.

 

[jbeck5]

I'm saying the opposite.

My point was that they're both big, slow footed, guys. Stone guy manages to be exceptional defensively despite this limitation. Brown meanwhile, is bad.

I'm saying that if Logan Brown is going to be a Mark Stone quality player, he's going to have to work a hell of a lot harder than Mark Stone because he doesn't have Mark Stone's instincts and feel for the game.

Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think that's in your head bro. Everyone knows what Sanford is.

no.. he's exactly correct in his assessment of Sanford

and heck, that was when he was playing on ROR's line

 

[Boud]

no.. he's exactly correct in his assessment of Sanford

and heck, that was when he was playing on ROR's line

No Sens fan is thinking Sanford is a world beater

 

[Altimus]

no.. he's exactly correct in his assessment of Sanford

and heck, that was when he was playing on ROR's line

He was traded for a player who couldn't land a job on a bottem 10 team. No Sens fan thinks we got anything special.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

no.. he's exactly correct in his assessment of Sanford

and heck, that was when he was playing on ROR's line

He's saying that no fan expects anything much out of Sanford beyond him filling a bottom 6 role. It is clear we were gonna waive L Brown despite the fact that we're seriously lacking in NHL fwds, so if Sanford can stick in the lineup, maybe get flipped for a 3rd or something at the TDL, I think most Sens fans will be satisfied.

 

[banks]

Brown was potentially going to be waived. So there's no real loss there. But Sanford isn't a noticeable type player.

I still say it's a win for St Louis. Better to have a guy with a slight chance to be a top 6 center than some Chicken McNobody.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Brown was potentially going to be waived. So there's no real loss there. But Sanford isn't a noticeable type player.

I still say it's a win for St Louis. Better to have a guy with a slight chance to be a top 6 center than some Chicken McNobody.

just posted this but it didn't show up for some reason... anywho...

worst case scenario is Brown doesn't work out in STL and OTT only paid a 4th rounder for an everyday NHL player

 

[banks]

just posted this but it didn't show up for some reason... anywho...

worst case scenario is Brown doesn't work out in STL and OTT only paid a 4th rounder for an everyday NHL player

Ya, I agree. There's no loser in the trade.

 

[Frenzy31]

He was traded for a player who couldn't land a job on a bottem 10 team. No Sens fan thinks we got anything special.

Yeah, it if you look at most of the Brown proposals, most fans of Ottawa were talking about him breaking out. Now he is waiver fodder.

HF at its best.

Ottawa clearly got the best player in the deal. And likely won this trade.

St. Louis just bring in a hometown kid and hopes he figures it out before being dumped. Similar to what happened last year in Columbus. Me, at least we cleared cap space.

 

[Golden_Jet]

just posted this but it didn't show up for some reason... anywho...

worst case scenario is Brown doesn't work out in STL and OTT only paid a 4th rounder for an everyday NHL player

If Ottawa ends paying the 4th.

Just noticed he’s played 191 games in the last 5 seasons, since being drafted
So he averages about 48 games a season, over all leagues.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

If Ottawa ends paying the 4th.

Just noticed he’s played 191 games in the last 5 seasons, since being drafted
So he averages about 48 games a season, over all leagues.

iirc, the condition is he (brown, not sanford) has to play 30 or whatever games in STL. don't believe AHL games (assuming he'd clear and get assigned there) count

I could be wrong

 

[alwaysBlue]

An interesting tidbit is that Brown was working out and skating in STL this summer with Blues players so maybe that provided the front office with a good scout on him.

 

[Sting]

An interesting tidbit is that Brown was working out and skating in STL this summer with Blues players so maybe that provided the front office with a good scout on him.

I think if they got a good scout on him, they probably wouldn't have traded for him. I know that's harsh but unfortunately Logan Brown's prospects of being a top 6 center in the NHL is pretty slim. Would be cool to see him make it somehow though.

 

[Golden_Jet]

iirc, the condition is he (brown, not sanford) has to play 30 or whatever games in STL. don't believe AHL games (assuming he'd clear and get assigned there) count

I could be wrong

Your right 30 games for St Louis, and he averages 48 pro games a year.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Your right 30 games for St Louis, and he averages 48 pro games a year.

Brown does?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Brown does?

Yep