OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

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willy702

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I would’ve signed him to 53 man roster immediately following the game and dumped the dude he replaced.

I suppose it’s just a moot point in any event. This O-line pretty much sucks when healthy.
How do you know this when they haven't been fully healthy all year? It not an elite line but switch Glasgow's salary for another starter and add a first rounder and this could be a decent line. What's out there now is like 2.5 string, it's not even 2nd string because some guys are backups playing out of position.
 

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How do you know this when they haven't been fully healthy all year? It not an elite line but switch Glasgow's salary for another starter and add a first rounder and this could be a decent line. What's out there now is like 2.5 string, it's not even 2nd string because some guys are backups playing out of position.
I'll admit that I don't know much about Risner and Meinerz as blockers (I desperately want them to work, especially the former since he seems like a really good guy and he's a native son) but I'm still not sold on Bolles and frankly if you can't get THAT position right, you're already in a position to fail. I get that Ryan Cladys don't grow on trees but it feels like they've struggled to find the right mix up front for nearly a decade now.
 

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I'll admit that I don't know much about Risner and Meinerz as blockers (I desperately want them to work, especially the former since he seems like a really good guy and he's a native son) but I'm still not sold on Bolles and frankly if you can't get THAT position right, you're already in a position to fail. I get that Ryan Cladys don't grow on trees but it feels like they've struggled to find the right mix up front for nearly a decade now.
Bolles was effective. Not great but not a crazy overpay for a guy on a veteran contract. Cush has been below average but on a cheap deal, they might draft someone in late rounds to push him but for now it's not costing much. Glasgow is just average there but not worth the contract he has so time to move on. Risner has not been that good since his first season, no shock the Broncos are moving on from him. The line is not great because they haven't invested in it beyond Bolles and Meinerz but seems likely that will change. Fleming and Anderson have no business being starters out there, one can stay as a swing backup but wouldn't surprise me if both moved on in hopes of getting a shot at starting. The investment has to come in a RT and LG. But no investment will help if all the starters get hurt
 

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Bolles was effective. Not great but not a crazy overpay for a guy on a veteran contract. Cush has been below average but on a cheap deal, they might draft someone in late rounds to push him but for now it's not costing much. Glasgow is just average there but not worth the contract he has so time to move on. Risner has not been that good since his first season, no shock the Broncos are moving on from him. The line is not great because they haven't invested in it beyond Bolles and Meinerz but seems likely that will change. Fleming and Anderson have no business being starters out there, one can stay as a swing backup but wouldn't surprise me if both moved on in hopes of getting a shot at starting. The investment has to come in a RT and LG. But no investment will help if all the starters get hurt

I mean, how effin' hard was it to build the Broncos offensive line from those back-to-back Super Bowls? None of those guys near as I could tell was a star in his own right, maybe Schlereth but I don't know. Even when they lost one they very easily replaced him with DDI.
 

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I mean, how effin' hard was it to build the Broncos offensive line from those back-to-back Super Bowls? None of those guys near as I could tell was a star in his own right, maybe Schlereth but I don't know. Even when they lost one they very easily replaced him with DDI.
Gary Zimmerman, Schlereth, Tom Nalem, Brian Habib and Tony Jones. I would say every one of those guys were stars in their own right. I would kill for an o-line like that again, probably never happen.
As far as how they put that line together, I think they drafted Nalen but the other guys were all free agents I think. Whatever they did, maybe they should try that again lol
I get your point though, a little effort is required lol
 
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I'll probably sound like a broken record here, but I hope the Broncos revise their cap/draft strategies at how they stock positions. It's been a horrible approach the last 10+ years. Feels like we overpay with cap for WRs, are hellbent on having 4 starting-caliber OLBs, and always spend draft picks on gimmicky special teams guys because somehow that's the 'missing piece' to a complete roster.....Then in Aug/Sept we scour the waiver wire in preseason trying to find offensive lineman that are going to start or play a signifcant role. It's been a disaster.........I think a lot of that approach came from Elway, but I don't see much of a difference in what Paton's done either.
 
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I'll probably sound like a broken record here, but I hope the Broncos revise their cap/draft strategies at how they stock positions. It's been a horrible approach the last 10+ years. Feels like we overpay with cap for WRs, are hellbent on having 4 starting-caliber OLBs, and always spend draft picks on gimmicky special teams guys because somehow that's the 'missing piece' to a complete roster.....Then in Aug/Sept we scour the waiver wire in preseason trying to find offensive lineman that are going to start or play a signifcant role. It's been a disaster.........I think a lot of that approach came from Elway, but I don't see much of a difference in what Paton's done either.

When have they drafted special teamers? And they have drafted two OLBs high over the last decade because that's a premium position which you can get good value out of a rookie deal. The rest of the guys have been projects they developed except for Gregory. And frankly if you watch the D since Chubb left the pass D suffers because of a lack of pass rush.

They most certainly need to get more OL but that is what happens when you take a BPA approach. Some positions fall into your lap. They weren't going to draft Chubb until he fell to them, that was a likely spot to draft OL for example. They should be judicious about draft slot value in regards to position but the only one they veered off that was taking Fant but they traded down to get him. The rest of the first rounders have made sense for many years from a positional standpoint. Not all picks work out though.
 

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When have they drafted special teamers?
Montrell Washington, Issiah McKenzie, Tyrie Cleveland just to name a few

The problem is whatever value chart the Broncos are using; it's not been a very balanced approach, and they've seemingly stuck to the same draft guidelines for the last 10 years. It ain't working.... When you look at reviews of draft history over the past 10-15 years, we're definitely in the tanker of the AFC West, and probably pretty low overall across the league.
 

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Montrell Washington, Issiah McKenzie, Tyrie Cleveland just to name a few

The problem is whatever value chart the Broncos are using; it's not been a very balanced approach, and they've seemingly stuck to the same draft guidelines for the last 10 years. It ain't working.... When you look at reviews of draft history over the past 10-15 years, we're definitely in the tanker of the AFC West, and probably pretty low overall across the league.
Low picks don't really matter, anything 5th round and lower is basically taking a flyer on someone. A 6th rounder has almost as much chance of making something as an undrafted player. Can't argue with the logic though, Elway drafts were largely busts and McDaniels was mostly terrible too. The team really needs an identity and system they stick to and then draft to it. The OL they have been drafting are mostly meant for a different run game than the one they just installed for example.

What in the heck is up with the Nuggets and these 2nd half crapfests? Seems like they dont bother playing second half D and just hope they make enough threes to win
 

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I mean, how effin' hard was it to build the Broncos offensive line from those back-to-back Super Bowls? None of those guys near as I could tell was a star in his own right, maybe Schlereth but I don't know. Even when they lost one they very easily replaced him with DDI.
Someone decided he wanted to bring in his own guys.
 

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Low picks don't really matter, anything 5th round and lower is basically taking a flyer on someone. A 6th rounder has almost as much chance of making something as an undrafted player. Can't argue with the logic though, Elway drafts were largely busts and McDaniels was mostly terrible too. The team really needs an identity and system they stick to and then draft to it. The OL they have been drafting are mostly meant for a different run game than the one they just installed for example.
Mr. Irrelevant from this year's draft just annihilated the Seahawks in prime time TV two nights ago. Hitting on low picks tends to be a trait of strong teams
 

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Mr. Irrelevant from this year's draft just annihilated the Seahawks in prime time TV two nights ago. Hitting on low picks tends to be a trait of strong teams
He's a backup. Good results but I think people are losing their mind over Purdy. Is he more talented than Rypien right now? I don't think so. Put him in for the Broncos now and he's not going to get much done either.
 

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Again, Seattle based Avs fan with comments no one asked for. Paying a price to get rid of Russ is a bad idea. This has been a nightmare season for him and the Broncos and I can't imagine this is it. You may never see vintage Russ but I would be shocked if he was as bad as this season again. Paying to send him away and then watching him improve substantially would be salt in the wounds. Better to build the offense around his current capabilities and get someone to get the prima donna crap out of his head.
 

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Again, Seattle based Avs fan with comments no one asked for. Paying a price to get rid of Russ is a bad idea. This has been a nightmare season for him and the Broncos and I can't imagine this is it. You may never see vintage Russ but I would be shocked if he was as bad as this season again. Paying to send him away and then watching him improve substantially would be salt in the wounds. Better to build the offense around his current capabilities and get someone to get the prima donna crap out of his head.
Only the crazy fans are saying they should cut him and its just understandable frustration talking. People need someone to blame for this disaster of a season but the players and management of the team don't overreact like that. No one wants to listen because all people care about are wins and losses but the modest point differential points to a pretty easy turnaround next season as long as they don't get every offensive starter missing at least a few games. Practice squad OL, almost no projected starters remaining at WR and guys where weren't even on the squad at RB. And yet you want to solely blame the QB and kill the club's chances for a couple of years due to cap penalties? Sorry but anyone advocating for that is plain and simply crazy.
 
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Again, Seattle based Avs fan with comments no one asked for. Paying a price to get rid of Russ is a bad idea. This has been a nightmare season for him and the Broncos and I can't imagine this is it. You may never see vintage Russ but I would be shocked if he was as bad as this season again. Paying to send him away and then watching him improve substantially would be salt in the wounds. Better to build the offense around his current capabilities and get someone to get the prima donna crap out of his head.
As a Seattle fan do you even think this is possible? I think Pete played hardball with him to conform Russ to play run first/bootleg and Russ bitched/whined his way out of town to us.
 
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As a Seattle fan do you even think this is possible? I think Pete played hardball with him to conform Russ to play run first/bootleg and Russ bitched/whined his way out of town to us.
For Russ, this is a slap to the face of his ego. How he responds is going to dictate how the remainder of his career goes. He certainly doesn't want the next 4 seasons to go like this one otherwise, that should easily drop him out of being a first ballot HOFer. Will he eat his humble pie and play system that the next HC wants to run with him? Does Russ accept that he's not Drew Brees and doesn't read defences like Brees does, thus he needs to roll out more to allow him to see as much of the field as possible, even if it halves the field, as he doesn't work much of the middle while in the pocket.

It's good that Denver is sitting him for week 15 despite Russ passing the concussion protocols. Season is over for them at 3-10.
 

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For Russ, this is a slap to the face of his ego. How he responds is going to dictate how the remainder of his career goes.
Completely agree with you. I’d say the chances of Russ taking a slice of humble pie though is only about 35-40%. Hope I’m wrong.
 
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