OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

[ABasin]

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Up until the round of 16, there were 28 shutouts in 48 games. Brutal, brutal product.

At my local pub, I played the 100 squares betting game, and my two squares were:
- Broncos 7/Opposition 0, and
- Broncos 7/Opposition 3.

I was pretty excited with those numbers, until I realized the Broncos would need to score a touchdown.....

 

[ABasin]

Lol, Broncos are a joke.

Hackett sucks, Wilson is finished. Seattle is going to get #1 or #2 overall pick.

I don't know how but they have to get rid of Wilson this year. Even it means we have to forfeit all our games next year, since we can't field a roster.

Can't continue on this route. Everyone should be fired other than Evero. All the way up to Paton. He's the f***ing reason we are on this mess.

If Lock was as bad as everyone says then we'd be able to draft whoever this year and move on. Now we're completely f***ed and Seattle is just laughing their asses off.

But Chet, how do they do that? Wilson's dead money numbers are off the charts for the next several seasons.

The best they could hope for, is that they could somehow rework the contract to cut a year or two off of that, but I'm not even sure how they could do such a thing.

The Broncos are stuck with this. Wilson has them over the barrel. They have to hope like hell that Wilson will rededicate himself to his craft and his personal fitness.

And then rebuild the offense in the draft and FA.

And sign a couple of current FA-to-be DLs to keep the defense together.

And get a new coach.

And......

 

[Bonzai12]

Really good article on options with cutting Russell Wilson - ………tldr - he’s here another year at least. Could cut him after next year but it would still be brutal.

The Broncos Options with Russell Wilson | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

 

[ABasin]

Really good article on options with cutting Russell Wilson - ………tldr - he’s here another year at least. Could cut him after next year but it would still be brutal.

The Broncos Options with Russell Wilson | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

Thanks, Bonzai. Interesting article.

A lot of quite ugly scenarios in there though.

 

[chet1926]

But Chet, how do they do that? Wilson's dead money numbers are off the charts for the next several seasons.

The best they could hope for, is that they could somehow rework the contract to cut a year or two off of that, but I'm not even sure how they could do such a thing.

The Broncos are stuck with this. Wilson has them over the barrel. They have to hope like hell that Wilson will rededicate himself to his craft and his personal fitness.

And then rebuild the offense in the draft and FA.

And sign a couple of current FA-to-be DLs to keep the defense together.

And get a new coach.

And......

I read some article somewhere, that came up with some far fetched scenario that could make it happen this year. It would require losing some guys and restructuring other contacts, but they could make it happen.

And honestly they need to make it happen. People blaming Hackett for this are out to lunch. It's hard to be successful when your 250M dollar man can't run high school level plays and deliver an accurate ball to wide open receivers.

Russ has completely packed it in. He got paid and didn't lift a finger after that. So don't expect him to get better once Hackett gets canned. He's not going to magically rededicate himself. He's done and coasting on easy street while the Broncos pick up the tab.

 

[Hasbro]

Up until the round of 16, there were 28 shutouts in 48 games. Brutal, brutal product.

So soccer.

But it’s the fifth major league in the us! All the kids playing playing it will translate into to supplanting the NFL. Team America will win the World Cup in no time!

 

[JWK]

He has told current players to transfer :O

The full video isn't as harsh as this clip, but also this happens all the time in CFB, Prime is only doing this on video for recruits and Prime's love for being in the spotlight

Good chance Travis Hunter is coming too, holy shit.

 

[Pokecheque]

Reportedly CU does not have the money to cover Sanders' record-setting contract, but the AD says they'll get it.

 

[JWK]

We poached Sean Lewis from Kent State, oh this administration is finally caring about athletics

 

[The Merchant]

I read some article somewhere, that came up with some far fetched scenario that could make it happen this year. It would require losing some guys and restructuring other contacts, but they could make it happen.

And honestly they need to make it happen. People blaming Hackett for this are out to lunch. It's hard to be successful when your 250M dollar man can't run high school level plays and deliver an accurate ball to wide open receivers.

Russ has completely packed it in. He got paid and didn't lift a finger after that. So don't expect him to get better once Hackett gets canned. He's not going to magically rededicate himself. He's done and coasting on easy street while the Broncos pick up the tab.

Sounds like what was discussed in this video. It's possible, but it would be catastrophic, obviously.

 

[Grackle Party]

We poached Sean Lewis from Kent State, oh this administration is finally caring about athletics

They should be fun to watch

 

[chet1926]

Sounds like what was discussed in this video. It's possible, but it would be catastrophic, obviously.

It's basically impossible, but IMO you do whatever it takes to get him out of here.

He's the main problem, not the coaches. Coaches suck but Russ is a far bigger issue.

 

[willy702]

Really good article on options with cutting Russell Wilson - ………tldr - he’s here another year at least. Could cut him after next year but it would still be brutal.

The Broncos Options with Russell Wilson | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

This is a great article and even acknowledges the real issue that if you cut him you need a good option to turn to that costs you minimal cap space. Is a busted rookie contract player like Zach Wilson going to be better? Can they draft someone who is going to be better by the 2025 season? It's one thing to say you don't want him at the price you have to pay but show me the alternative. That's the part where the people who want to fire Paton for the extension have no answers. If they did the unthinkable and let Russ walk after next season they would have to find a viable replacement on the open market or draft one and start them as a rookie. The timing just doesn't work, they would be out spending at least $30m for a probably mediocre QB. Maybe better than Russ, maybe not. And they would do this having made the trade and giving up all the assets for 2 years of Russ. None of this makes any sense and why they almost had to sign the extension. Maybe if they waited this year they get him for a token amount less, maybe his cap hit would be 5m lower but the extension still would happen.

People can say whatever they want these days about performance related topics but when you ignore contract and cap realities the comments are just half baked. Contract and cap space are everything these days.

 

[Bonzai12]

People can say whatever they want these days about performance related topics but when you ignore contract and cap realities the comments are just half baked. Contract and cap space are everything these days.

Yep it is true

Matt Ryan's cap hit was really bad for Atlanta this year and it ended up being like $40M. Falcons have went into a full on rebuild because of it, which is what the Broncos would be lookin at I with $60+M of dead cap. The only positive news out of the whole thing is that the current dead cap 2023 number for the Broncos is only like $1.5M, so they could take it really bad on the chin with just Wilson. It's when you start putting dead cap on with other roster moves that will complicate the issue. With Wilson gone, you're buying yourself another year of hoping guys like Graham Glasgow and Ronald Darby can actually play.

 

[Pokecheque]

It’s not happening folks, Russ is not going anywhere. The reality is that the Broncos have to try and make it work with him. That obviously is not going to happen with Hackett and his crew so ownership has to do something sooner rather than later.

 

[Bonzai12]

I know he probably won’t get cut - but yeesh. I really hope they don’t make the next coaching move a “well we’re gonna pair Russell with someone he can work with” type of deal. I don’t want Russell Wilson picking our next coach at all…….

The smart thing would be to sign or draft a kid to compete knowing that it’s full on possible you could cut Wilson after next year. That would hopefully light a fire under his a$$. Unfortunately we keep doing this stupid QB carousel though and it’s slowly sucking away talent in other roster spots by having to invest in QBs who may or may not make the grade.

 

[Pokecheque]

Ugh. Nuggets lose by ONE POINT last night.

 

[ABasin]

Sounds like what was discussed in this video. It's possible, but it would be catastrophic, obviously.

OK, that was a long video, so I skipped around a bit. Let me see if I have this straight:

If they cut Wilson outright (whether this year or next), there are all kinds of long term dead cap ramifications - that could last 2-3-4 years.

But if they trade Wilson, the Broncos have just one year (next year) of really, really, reallyreallyreallyreally bad cap ramifications, but then they're out of jail and free to build a team in 2024.

And in that latter case, a team trading for Wilson actually doesn't have to pay him all that much - $20M or something - and even for a 10th-20th best QB, that's not a horrible salary.

So perhaps the Broncos package Wilson and a decent young player (Jeudy, perhaps) to the Jets for a late round pick, have a 100% tank season in 2023, then are cap free to build their team in 2024?

Do I have this correct?

 

[Pokecheque]

Gotta be honest I’m not sure why y’all are talking about the Broncos so much. They’re irrelevant.

 

[Hasbro]

Gotta be honest I’m not sure why y’all are talking about the Broncos so much. They’re irrelevant.

Yeah that's not like some major story going on right now.

 

[henchman21]

Gotta be honest I’m not sure why y’all are talking about the Broncos so much. They’re irrelevant.

Broncos are the biggest team in the area by far... they will always dominate things. And going 3-13 is as much of a story as 13-3.

 

[Pokecheque]

Broncos are the biggest team in the area by far... they will always dominate things. And going 3-13 is as much of a story as 13-3.

Oh I'm aware, but we're at the "Cut Russ now!" part of the discussion and that's just pointless.

 

[willy702]

OK, that was a long video, so I skipped around a bit. Let me see if I have this straight:

If they cut Wilson outright (whether this year or next), there are all kinds of long term dead cap ramifications - that could last 2-3-4 years.

But if they trade Wilson, the Broncos have just one year (next year) of really, really, reallyreallyreallyreally bad cap ramifications, but then they're out of jail and free to build a team in 2024.

And in that latter case, a team trading for Wilson actually doesn't have to pay him all that much - $20M or something - and even for a 10th-20th best QB, that's not a horrible salary.

So perhaps the Broncos package Wilson and a decent young player (Jeudy, perhaps) to the Jets for a late round pick, have a 100% tank season in 2023, then are cap free to build their team in 2024?

Do I have this correct?

Probably correct but it's always complicated by the date of the transaction. I don't know if such space to take the hit exists, probably means trading off multiple starters in the deal and they have their cap hits in a trade too. And then who is your QB at that point? Can't be anything but someone on a rookie or vet minimum deal.

So yeah that might be right from the numbers but this isn't a teardown situation and the fan base would be furious if that was needed again. Also think about what that would be to the team's reputation with players and management types. Who's going to sign in a place where you get blamed for everything bad and then chased out of town in a trade to a place you may not even want to play in?

 

[dahrougem2]

I know he probably won’t get cut - but yeesh. I really hope they don’t make the next coaching move a “well we’re gonna pair Russell with someone he can work with” type of deal. I don’t want Russell Wilson picking our next coach at all…….

The smart thing would be to sign or draft a kid to compete knowing that it’s full on possible you could cut Wilson after next year. That would hopefully light a fire under his a$$. Unfortunately we keep doing this stupid QB carousel though and it’s slowly sucking away talent in other roster spots by having to invest in QBs who may or may not make the grade.

Sean Payton is the man to "fix" Russ. Otherwise I have no faith.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

OK, that was a long video, so I skipped around a bit. Let me see if I have this straight:

If they cut Wilson outright (whether this year or next), there are all kinds of long term dead cap ramifications - that could last 2-3-4 years.

But if they trade Wilson, the Broncos have just one year (next year) of really, really, reallyreallyreallyreally bad cap ramifications, but then they're out of jail and free to build a team in 2024.

And in that latter case, a team trading for Wilson actually doesn't have to pay him all that much - $20M or something - and even for a 10th-20th best QB, that's not a horrible salary.

So perhaps the Broncos package Wilson and a decent young player (Jeudy, perhaps) to the Jets for a late round pick, have a 100% tank season in 2023, then are cap free to build their team in 2024?

Do I have this correct?

I mean, at some point I feel like the Bronco's fans have been though so much already.

But then again, if you actually went public and said this is the plan and then followed though, I think they'd get the public's blessing.

I mean, that's kinda how I feel about the Avs and this injury mess. If they don't get back on track by the end of February I almost won't blame CMac for not trading the farm, in fact if we are outside a wildcard spot I wouldn't mind him looking to move an UFA (JTC or ERod) or two, if they aren't in next year's plans. I could be sold that missing this run with a broken team but keeping our 1st (lower half) plus whaterever we get in return for our UFAs in a deep draft is just what the window needs to squeeze a few more years out the backside.