OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

[dahrougem2]

Just face it, Seattle fleeced us big time. Yes, the O-line is garbage, and the injuries don't help, but even when Russ does get good protection, and even when we were at full-ish strength, he didn't come through. He misses wide open receivers, he doesn't make reads, and he holds the ball for like 8 seconds before dumping it to the RB that has no where to go. His ability to avoid the sack, that he had all those years in Seattle, is gone. And to top it off, he is corny as f***! Shut the hell up with this "Let's Ride!" BS! Ride your corny ass back to Seattle and give us our picks back!

I can't believe we fell for this. You don't trade your franchise QB unless something is wrong with him! Even if he wants out, you do everything in your power to try and keep him, like Green Bay did with Rodgers. If Russ and Pete Carroll have beef, you get rid of Carroll because the franchise QB is king, always. Unless they know he's washed, which they did.

This is basically a rule of thumb in the NFL. If Seattle was so willing to get rid of Wilson, there were reasons for that. They could see the decline coming a mile away - heck, it had already started in his final season there.

Pete Carroll is laughing all the way to the draft table for fleecing the Broncos. So not only did that team absolutely annihilate us in a Super Bowl but they again annihilate us in a trade.

 

[chet1926]

I'm willing to give Russ the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying he's playing well or anything but the O-Line sucks balls. As far as the playbook goes, I'm not so sure it's Russ not wanting to 'learn it' but what if it's just too frikkin' complex??

I mean what kind of idiot coach decides that HIS playbook is the greatest thing on earth regardless if he's got the right guy to execute it or not? What kind of jackass doesn't adapt to the strengths of his QB? I wouldn't put it past a moron who not-so-cleverly hired NO ONE with more than 1-2 years of experience just so there would be no one with a ton of experience to actually challenge him on anything; to continually try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Even though it means giving Seattle a better pick, I prefer if we keep losing rather than squeak by with a few victories just enough so that people aren't so sure if things aren't coming around and Year 2 could be better. It won't. It's obvious. Hackett is a stooge - he had 2 weeks to prepare for the Titans and that atrocious horseshit of a mess is the best he could come up with and it looks no different than it did at the beginning of the season.

Just the fact that he kept playing Fumble Gordon the Turd after he just about fumbled AGAIN on his very first carry of the game is so much more than enough for me to easily conclude that he's just a complete imbecile. The fact that Gordon the Turd, pouted on the sidelines a few games ago actually WORKED and got him more chances at even touching the ball is mind-boggling. He didn't even play that badly but imagine if we as fans cringe and hold our breath every time he's handed the ball, imagine how the rest of the team must feel. What a goddam shit-show,


If they don't, someone is likely coming to poach him in the off-season.

Hackett is a very clearly a big problem. And if he's unwilling to adapt his "system" then he will never coach again in this league.

Russ is also a problem. He can't make reads and his accuracy is trash when he manages to make the read.

So either he's too confused by the play calling which is causing the inaccuracy and hesitation. This isn't good on Russ and he needs to make this issue aware to the coaches if it's that's the case. And if he has approached the coahes and Hackett is too stubborn to adapt then he can kiss his coaching career bye bye. I find this scenario hard to believe as no coach is so dumb they'd risk their entire career over being unwilling to adapt to their QBs short comings.

Or other option is Russ conned the GM, who was trying to save own ass, into a big payday extension based on his name. And now that he is on easy street he has packed it in and has put in the bare minimum effort to training and learning the playbook. Based on his social media posts he's more concerned about going on vacations around the world than actual practice. I lean this way as it shows during the games where he can't hit a wide open 5 yard throw. Even before the injuries on the o-line piled up his accuracy was trash and he was struggling to make basic reads. It screams under prepared and lazy.

 

[chet1926]

This is basically a rule of thumb in the NFL. If Seattle was so willing to get rid of Wilson, there were reasons for that. They could see the decline coming a mile away - heck, it had already started in his final season there.

Pete Carroll is laughing all the way to the draft table for fleecing the Broncos. So not only did that team absolutely annihilate us in a Super Bowl but they again annihilate us in a trade.

Yep they saw the writing on the wall and found a desperate chump GM that was willing to pay through the roof for a breaking/broken product. Paton got played and should be canned for it.

 

[henchman21]

Wilson got too big of head, thought that he could run a different type of system, demanded it and changes on how the offense would run, and Carroll simply refused. With hindsight, you can see who was clearly in the right. You'd hope that Wilson will recognize this, check his ego, and work to run a system that fits his talents.

 

[Bonzai12]

Pete Carroll is laughing all the way to the draft table for fleecing the Broncos. So not only did that team absolutely annihilate us in a Super Bowl but they again annihilate us in a trade.

whats crazy to me about the whole thing is Elway‘a damn obsession with the Hawks and just how badly it has damaged this franchise. After our monster offense got shut down in that SB he went defense over offense literally every draft. He tries to win with a defense and ok offense using the Seahawks blueprint. Then as he leaves out the door he traded for Russel Wilson because they’re so obsessed with him as well. For the last ten-ish years John kept trying to emulate the Hawks and yeah - Pete Carroll should just be laughing his ass off. John Elway and the Denver Broncos have been the gift that has kept on giving throughout Pete’s career.

 

[sethro109]

whats crazy to me about the whole thing is Elway‘a damn obsession with the Hawks and just how badly it has damaged this franchise. After our monster offense got shut down in that SB he went defense over offense literally every draft. He tries to win with a defense and ok offense using the Seahawks blueprint. Then as he leaves out the door he traded for Russel Wilson because they’re so obsessed with him as well. For the last ten-ish years John kept trying to emulate the Hawks and yeah - Pete Carroll should just be laughing his ass off. John Elway and the Denver Broncos have been the gift that has kept on giving throughout Pete’s career.

You can blame Elway for A LOT of failures, but all the sources are pointing at Paton for this f*** up. I really don't think he had much, if anything to do with this shit storm. Both Paton and Hackett have to go.

 

[Hasbro]

Everyone was screaming for a QB since Manning retired like it was an easy thing to do and then have the opportunity for someone of Wilson's caliber you take it. It's revisionism to say otherwise. The only things you can realistically take issue with not getting a QB is getting cute drafting Chubb and Surtain,

Yep they saw the writing on the wall and found a desperate chump GM that was willing to pay through the roof for a breaking/broken product. Paton got played and should be canned for it.

It's about what you'd offer to trade up for an unproven QB at the top of the Draft. Look at RG3 and DeShaun Watson.

 

[Bender]

You can blame Elway for A LOT of failures, but all the sources are pointing at Paton for this f*** up. I really don't think he had much, if anything to do with this shit storm. Both Paton and Hackett have to go.

I think Paton has done a pretty good job apart from the hiring of hackett.

The Broncos longest run so far this season is 18 frikkin' yards (Russell Wilson). Think about how insanely shitty that is, even if you're down to your 4th-5th string guy that you got off the street.. that is crazy bad.

I heard an interview yesterday where hackett was saying that early on in the season, when a play didn't go to his liking - he'd be so upset that he wasn't able to focus on the next play because he's so emotional. LOL -> WTF is this guy for real???

When you think about that and his insistence with starting games with Fumbleboy every single time even though he's been worse than just about any other RB on the team - how can it be a shock that we have by far the worst offense in the league???

 

[5280]

I’m not going to judge Wilson until he gets another head coach.

 

[Hasbro]

I think Paton has done a pretty good job apart from the hiring of hackett.

And Gordon as the #2

 

[The Abusement Park]

I’m not going to judge Wilson until he gets another head coach.

That’s a flawed way of looking at things. Hackett is an obvious problem, and probably the biggest problem in the org. But that doesn’t absolve Wilson and all the clear and obvious problems he’s brought.

 

[chet1926]

Everyone was screaming for a QB since Manning retired like it was an easy thing to do and then have the opportunity for someone of Wilson's caliber you take it. It's revisionism to say otherwise. The only things you can realistically take issue with not getting a QB is getting cute drafting Chubb and Surtain,


It's about what you'd offer to trade up for an unproven QB at the top of the Draft. Look at RG3 and DeShaun Watson.

Correct, we were screaming for a QB. And while I wasn't a big Russ fan to begin with I figured at least we'd be more entertaining to watch. I was actually happy when we got him over Rodgers as he is really washed.

In comes Russ and all summer all I see is him f***ing around on vacations, at award shows and posting cheesy social media videos and I thought to myself he better f***ing be ready to go, if he's doing all this shit.

Now we see the Russ product on the field it's horseshit. Under prepared, lazy, and uninspired. When you have guys like Dan Orlovsky a horseshit QB in his own right, making comments to the extent of what is Russ looking at, and all QBs that see this defensive alignment should know to do X but he's doing the opposite etc. Tells you all you need to know about Russ. He's phoned it in and the Broncos/Paton got a con man who has little interest in football.

It's easy to blame Hackett but it's far from the only issue. Russ can barely execute high school level plays and reads, and can no longer use his legs to cover his flaws. Kind of hard to be a coach when 5 yard routes are a complete adventure.

All I know is the Broncos are screwed, and it's because Paton got duped by Hackett and Wilson.

 

[MaKarter]

Ill be at Nuggets vs Knicks tomorrow night. I got invited to join a Box Suite so ill be eating and drinking for free

 

[chet1926]

I’m not going to judge Wilson until he gets another head coach.

Lol if you think Hackett is the reason for Wilson not being able to accurately throw a 5 yard pass or read a defense. A new coach won't magically make Russ more accurate or be able find the open guy.

 

[Pokecheque]

Regardless of what we may or may not think of Wilson, the Broncos made a massive investment. They couldn't bail now even if they wanted to.

I'm grateful he brought Ciara with him, so there's that.

Paton inherited a pretty big mess, so I'll wait and see how he does under new ownership. Hackett has GOT to go though. Show him the door NOW and bring in an interim guy.

 

[5280]

That’s a flawed way of looking at things. Hackett is an obvious problem, and probably the biggest problem in the org. But that doesn’t absolve Wilson and all the clear and obvious problems he’s brought.

In your opinion. I don’t think it’s flawed at all.

I never said I would absolve Wilson of all of the things he has brought.

What problems are caused by Hackett and which ones are Wilson and how do you distinguish between the two?

The dude has a horrible game plan for Wilson, plain and simple.

You can do whatever you want, all I said was that *I* would reserve judgement of Wilson until after they find a better coach for him. I don’t find we have a clear picture of what Wilson can still bring at this point of his career and won’t until we find a new coach, one that can put together a better game plan for Wilson.

 

[The Abusement Park]

In your opinion. I don’t think it’s flawed at all.

I never said I would absolve Wilson of all of the things he has brought.

What problems are caused by Hackett and which ones are Wilson and how do you distinguish between the two?

The dude has a horrible game plan for Wilson, plain and simple.

You can do whatever you want, all I said was that *I* would reserve judgement of Wilson until after they find a better coach for him. I don’t find we have a clear picture of what Wilson can still bring at this point of his career and won’t until we find a new coach, one that can put together a better game plan for Wilson.

Hacketts system and play calls are awful. I won’t argue that.
But I don’t see how that affects Wilson’s non existent accuracy, how often he is just throwing the ball
straight to the other team and his complete inability to find open receivers. That’s not a Hackett problem. I mean it could certainly get better under a different coach and Hackett has to go. But Wilson is very much part of the problem.

 

[Pokecheque]

In your opinion. I don’t think it’s flawed at all.

I never said I would absolve Wilson of all of the things he has brought.

What problems are caused by Hackett and which ones are Wilson and how do you distinguish between the two?

The dude has a horrible game plan for Wilson, plain and simple.

You can do whatever you want, all I said was that *I* would reserve judgement of Wilson until after they find a better coach for him. I don’t find we have a clear picture of what Wilson can still bring at this point of his career and won’t until we find a new coach, one that can put together a better game plan for Wilson.

The inherent issue with Wilson is that, at least my understanding of it, is that the gameplan that works for a quarterback of his type is precisely the gameplan he doesn't want to play anymore. It's entirely possible Hackett is such a horrible coach that the execution is all wrong, but it's also very possible that Wilson is a huge part of the problem.

 

[StreetHawk]

The inherent issue with Wilson is that, at least my understanding of it, is that the gameplan that works for a quarterback of his type is precisely the gameplan he doesn't want to play anymore. It's entirely possible Hackett is such a horrible coach that the execution is all wrong, but it's also very possible that Wilson is a huge part of the problem.

Wilson needs to eat his serving of humble pie this season and come back in the off season and work with the scheme that the new HC wants m, one that works with what he does well back in Seattle.

Wilson needs to recover some type of quickness. Has to drop some weight this off season.

Contract was always going to get signed when he arrived. Kind of the hammer he had since he did own a ntc. Denver structured it the way hey did taking advantage of the $24 mill dead cap that seattle had to eat for the balance of Wilson’s SB and Restructure.

 

[Pokecheque]

Wilson needs to eat his serving of humble pie this season and come back in the off season and work with the scheme that the new HC wants m, one that works with what he does well back in Seattle.

Wilson needs to recover some type of quickness. Has to drop some weight this off season.

Contract was always going to get signed when he arrived. Kind of the hammer he had since he did own a ntc. Denver structured it the way hey did taking advantage of the $24 mill dead cap that seattle had to eat for the balance of Wilson’s SB and Restructure.

I dunno if a guy married to an R&B superstar sporting a SB ring who once posted a video calling himself "Mister Unliiiiiimiteeeed" is ever going to eat even a morsel of humble pie.

 

[StreetHawk]

I dunno if a guy married to an R&B superstar sporting a SB ring who once posted a video calling himself "Mister Unliiiiiimiteeeed" is ever going to eat even a morsel of humble pie.

If he wants to return to being considered a top nfl QB he’s going to need to do that.
See how committed he is to the game.

 

[henchman21]

I have a theory… if Russ poops daily, he’ll improve.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[Bender]

 

[MaKarter]

Great, I dont get to watch Jokic.