So give the team an enema while the cap is hamstrung for the next couple years, get extra picks from trade or Free Agent Comps and bring in more talent.
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Preach, Brother.
Yes, this is what they absolutely should do.
Tough rowing though, given they don’t have many high draft picks this year, nor a lot of tradable talent on the roster.
It'll be another two crap years at least if they try to duct tape the team again. Use the Fabian Strategy and put that time to good use.
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Oh, I think they’ll have two bad years regardless, even if they embrace the full rebuild, then it could/should get better quickly after that. *IF* they draft the right QB.
If they continue to try and duct tape it, they’ll be bad for more than two years.
Which do you think the coach/org will embrace?
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They're almost as hopeless as the Rockies. No talent, idiot coach, idiot GM. The only difference is the Broncos have owners with money, but it doesn't really help until we're out of cap hell.
Doing anything else would be a real piss off. This year was fun for a while just because it had been so long since they put together wins like that and that game against the Chiefs that was basically the Broncos Super Bowl
They’re in cap hell, other than Surtain and Sutton there is not much genuine quality talent on the roster and the Pats 2.0 are in the division - doing anything other than taking their lumps and rebuilding for the next 3-5 years (depending when you get a good QB) and hoping Walrus has retired and the Chiefs aren’t burning quite as brightly by the end of that so they can actually compete would be a massive waste of time
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The "Russ cap" expires in 2026. In two years, they will have lots of cap space, and should be able to make a nice free agent splash.
So in the next two years, they need to add a proper young QB to the team, surround him with a number of truly talented players through the 2024/2025/2026 drafts, then fill in with 2026 FA.
But they've got to get the young QB.
There are no good QBs available where we're drafting and even if we got one Payton would just ruin him.
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Sethro already said it, but Payton did just fine with a QB in the past.
As for getting one, they can do that this draft or next. I’m not sure that tidbit matters all that much. But they need to figure that out.
Brees was in his sixth season when he got to New Orleans and they had a 25-23 record through his first three seasons with the Saints. The fact that they only got one Super Bowl with a prime Brees is frankly an embarrassment.Yep he sure did ruin Brees.
Payton is a fraud. Mike McCarthy except also a gigantic piece of garbage as a person.
This coach and these owners have no intention of rebuilding. We can debate if its the right move but I'd be shocked to see it. And I don't blame them for not trading guys away. If Jerry gets two late picks, what's the point of trading other guys for even less? Its not just the talent isn't elite, the contracts aren't great value anywhere else. Jerry traded last year would have gotten more only because he wasn't getting $14m a year. All these other veterans someone might think they should trade needs to get realistic about the trade market. If Simmons got nothing in a trade, why would most other guys get something? Surtain is it and there's no way I'd trade him.
What they have done so far is exactly what I expected. Trade out some older players for younger players making less. Simmons probably is still better than Jones today but a year or two from now that balance shifts and they get to pay a lot less. In general, don't try too hard in free agency because you don't win through free agents, you just use them to fill gaps where you didn't draft and develop. The OL guys they got last year didn't exactly move the needle that much, hopefully lesson they were reminded of.
Most importantly, they aren't acting desperate in the QB world. There were no big upgrades out there so why pay some of these mediocre options $10m+? Gives me faith they will approach the draft the same. I think Payton has wisened up and realizes its not just one guy who fits the role so he's not going to fall in love with a single FA or a prospect. Today the price starts to really go down on these guys if he wants to sign one. He could get a Jimmy G or a Tannehill as a cheap emergency veteran backup but I think he's really focused on Stidham and a rookie to push him.
I don't even know what a "rebuild" looks like in the NFL world. I just don't want them to be embarrassingly incompetent going forward. Not sure that's gonna happen until the stink of Joe Ellis is finally wafted from Dove Valley. He hired Paton far as I recall.
Problem is they probably do the same as last year, win around 8 games and everyone gets further rage for them not being a playoff team or getting the #1 pick. If they do that will you call it incompetence?
A modern NFL rebuild is you don't sign any of your veterans, you release some players, you make a few trades, and then you hope that this year's draft yields you 5-8 new starters within 2 years. The QB situation is completely independent of this consideration, it operates in its own world. The Cardinals pretty much went this route last year and as noted, you still can win some games because all those kids and depth players you elevated are hungry to put big things on tape. And don't forget the Dolphins some years ago when they traded like 6 players away during camp for almost nothing. They looked like an expansion team for 4 weeks and still won 5 games and then 10 the next season.
I think it's mostly the little things that set me off, like just dumbass decisions made by the coach and players that cost points, or yielding 70 or whatever to an offense that wasn't, like, elite. Or getting to the red zone and constantly finding ways not to punch in the ball. The record, wins and losses, is obviously more important but I just want to see a team progressing in the right direction. Things just felt so unbelievably hopeless under Hackett, and while things appeared to have improved under Payton some inexplicably dumb shit still took place.
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