OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

[chet1926]

The Broncos should really get Penix

No they shouldn't.

He's one injury away from never playing again.

He had had 2 ACLs, multiple shoulder issues, he had like 4 seasons in a row where he had season ending injuries.

The last thing the Broncos need is a walking health question mark.

I'll be shocked if Penix even gets drafted round 1. NFL teams will get his medical file and will instantly shy away.

 

[chet1926]

Not really sure which college QBs are worth it this year.

Williams and Maye are the best of the bunch but basically unobtainable.

Penix is a walking injury.

Nix is ok but not sure how well his game will translate.

Daniels could be interesting, super athletic, but not sold on his NFL throws and tuning. Doesn't fit Payton at all.

McCarthy could be interesting as well, plays an NFL timing system already. Fits Payton's offense like a glove. Wouldn't be shocked to see us go after him in a trade back situation. Where we get him and a 2nd round pick which we don't have.

 

[henchman21]

On one hand, Penix is good. On the other, he's 85 years old with bad knees and shoulders.

My favorite mid round QB is the QB from the other Washington team.

I think it would be a mistake to ignore him based off age. He'll be roughly 7 months older than Burrow (and same with Daniels) was when he was drafted... and it would have been a mistake for Cincy to pass over him. The injuries are and will be a huge question mark, but he has been healthy the last two seasons when he's actually had an offensive line.

I think Penix throws the best ball out of anybody in this draft, but I don't think he has the pure upside of Maye or Williams. I think he's in that toss up of the next 3 of Penix/Daniels/Nix... and Penix is probably the best of the 3 next seasons. He's plug and play if you have more pocket passer system and good OL.

 

[Bonzai12]

I’m not really sure either who I like out of this draft. If Penix didn’t have all the injury history he’d be #1 easily in my book but I can’t see Penix going to some crap team, getting sacked a few times a game, and lasting in this league any more than 3-4 years. It’s too bad he’s just had such a tough go of it already - I’ll be rooting for the kid tho.

I think Maye is probably the best QB but no chance Broncos get him. My eyebrows raised quite a bit watching Williams backup absolutely kill it in USC’s bowl game. Is Williams just a product of their system? Cause his backup looked amazeballs.

McCarthy is decent but I think he’s just gonna be slightly above average in the league. Seems smart, has all the physical tools but needs work on accuracy - there were a lot of balls underthrown or behind guys yesterday. I wasn’t terribly impressed but maybe he’s usually better?

 

[henchman21]

McCarthy is decent but I think he’s just gonna be slightly above average in the league. Seems smart, has all the physical tools but needs work on accuracy - there were a lot of balls underthrown or behind guys yesterday. I wasn’t terribly impressed but maybe he’s usually better?

McCarthy is a headcase... when pressure is on, he tends to play worse. When there is no pressure, he looks like he should be near the top of the draft.

 

[willy702]

I’m not really sure either who I like out of this draft. If Penix didn’t have all the injury history he’d be #1 easily in my book but I can’t see Penix going to some crap team, getting sacked a few times a game, and lasting in this league any more than 3-4 years. It’s too bad he’s just had such a tough go of it already - I’ll be rooting for the kid tho.

I think Maye is probably the best QB but no chance Broncos get him. My eyebrows raised quite a bit watching Williams backup absolutely kill it in USC’s bowl game. Is Williams just a product of their system? Cause his backup looked amazeballs.

McCarthy is decent but I think he’s just gonna be slightly above average in the league. Seems smart, has all the physical tools but needs work on accuracy - there were a lot of balls underthrown or behind guys yesterday. I wasn’t terribly impressed but maybe he’s usually better?

McCarthy is never that impressive with his tape, just the stats come out good and he's that proverbial good decision maker. I just don't see why you take him ahead of the better skill guys out there.

Penix skill is very seductive: amazing accuracy and zip on passes. I don't think the health risks for him are that much worse than most QBs, he's stood in there and taken some hits to make big passes all year. He's not going to have that big of an edge in receivers and OL in the NFL so there's that question. His ability to escape pressure is a little more questionable at NFL level but he makes amazing throws on the run.

As much as Williams's results can be questioned he's a no-brainer NFL QB. Not quite the accuracy of Penix but makes all the throws and sometimes makes a throw you can't explain how he saw that one. Just an unreal ability to avoid pressure and make plays. I bet the first year or so he'll look bad in the NFL because defenders make unreal plays too but give him some time. If there ever was a guy that you could project as Mahomes-like this is it.

 

[Bonzai12]

McCarthy is a headcase... when pressure is on, he tends to play worse. When there is no pressure, he looks like he should be near the top of the draft.

Redeeming quality for the NFL level

 

[BobRossColton]

Would you trade a third for Fields, then just draft best offensive player with the first, run stidham+fields next season.

 

[sethro109]

Would you trade a third for Fields, then just draft best offensive player with the first, run stidham+fields next season.

I'd rather roll the dice so Bo Nix or whichever QB was available in the draft when we come up.

 

[henchman21]

The odds of Stidham or Fields being the franchise QB you really need to win in the NFL is very low... so that's a pick the magic box sort of situation and just draft a guy. If it doesn't work, you do it again every 3 years until it does.

 

[BobRossColton]

The odds of Stidham or Fields being the franchise QB you really need to win in the NFL is very low... so that's a pick the magic box sort of situation and just draft a guy. If it doesn't work, you do it again every 3 years until it does.

I really don't think we're winning much next year either way, so I wouldn't be using Fields or stidham as a franchise QB. Maybe just get stidham the best o-line our cap allows and go from there.

I think next year is going to be another 6-8 win season.

 

[Pokecheque]

Read The Athletic article about the Panthers meltdown season that finally culminated in the owner throwing a drink at the crowd the other day.

The Broncos effed up horribly hitching their wagon to Russell Wilson, and they'll be paying for that for years to come...quite literally. But man, ultimately giving up an extra first overall pick for a 5'10" quarterback!? I don't care how good he was in college, you don't trade THAT much just to get Doug Flutie.

 

[henchman21]

I really don't think we're winning much next year either way, so I wouldn't be using Fields or stidham as a franchise QB. Maybe just get stidham the best o-line our cap allows and go from there.

I think next year is going to be another 6-8 win season.

The Broncos probably aren't winning... but the sooner you start the process, the sooner you can hit the reset button again too.

Say the Broncos grab Penix... he's about as plug and play as you could get. He gets 2 seasons to be the guy and if he's not, you try for Nelson or Manning in 2026.

 

[BobRossColton]

Osweiler was too tall, Wilson too short. Draft someone in between the two

 

[The Abusement Park]

Read The Athletic article about the Panthers meltdown season that finally culminated in the owner throwing a drink at the crowd the other day.

The Broncos effed up horribly hitching their wagon to Russell Wilson, and they'll be paying for that for years to come...quite literally. But man, ultimately giving up an extra first overall pick for a 5'10" quarterback!? I don't care how good he was in college, you don't trade THAT much just to get Doug Flutie.

Even more hilarious is the guy drafted directly after him is looking every bit a potential franchise QB as they wanted. Couldn't have happened to a better owner.

 

[willy702]

Would you trade a third for Fields, then just draft best offensive player with the first, run stidham+fields next season.

A friend told me the problem with Fields is he can't throw over the middle, throws behind guys too much and is only good with the long ball. Hmmm, who does that sound like?

Fields timing isn't good either, will just be getting out of cap hell and have to pay PS2 then. I'm fine with Stidham, I think he's a good placeholder when you don't have options. I could see him putting up Bridgewater numbers which is fine until the long term option is ready

 

[The Abusement Park]

Give me Gardner Minshew and his prison bus. I'm only half kidding.

 

[dahrougem2]

Man the Bears are set up to be dominant if they do this correctly.

Last year's haul for the 1st overall pick plus either the QB they pick 1st this year OR the haul they get for trading it again could be insane.

They might legit only need a guy as good as Fields at QB with how much they can potentially stack the rest of their roster.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Man the Bears are set up to be dominant if they do this correctly.

Last year's haul for the 1st overall pick plus either the QB they pick 1st this year OR the haul they get for trading it again could be insane.

They might legit only need a guy as good as Fields at QB with how much they can potentially stack the rest of their roster.

Issue is its the Bears. I mean:

 

[Bonzai12]

I don’t think I’m sold on the “you have to have a franchise QB to win” thing anymore. We have had some crap ones but we have also had some absolutely putrid coaches walking through here the last 5-6 years. I definitely feel like the Broncos roster has been in shambles too and it started more like 5 years ago rather than 1-2.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I don’t think I’m sold on the “you have to have a franchise QB to win” thing anymore. We have had some crap ones but we have also had some absolutely putrid coaches walking through here the last 5-6 years. I definitely feel like the Broncos roster has been in shambles too and it started more like 5 years ago rather than 1-2.

I mean... how many legitimately good teams don't have a franchise QB? The Browns, but they have a stupidly elite defense. The Lions, but Goff is still a good but not quite elite QB. Cowboys, same as the Lions. Dolphins, same as the Cowboys/Lions. Jags, same as before. Non of them have franchise QB's, but at the same time does anyone consider those teams legit contenders? Cowboys I guess would be. But all the biggest contenders currently have elite franchise QB's and thats who have been winning SB's forever.

So getting the team to a playoff level won't take a franchise QB, but to win a SB it will almost for sure take one.

 

[Avs_19]

Penix is very impressive. I'm far from a college football expert but the velocity and accuracy he puts on his passes while also being incredibly smart can't be matched by many (if any) in this draft class based on what I've seen. He doesn't appear to be the most mobile but one area where he does seem to do a really job is with his pocket movement and we saw that last night on several throws where he would make slight adjustments in the pocket to avoid a rush and get the throw off.

I think it'll all depend on his medicals. We saw a guy like Hooker last year with medical concerns, who was also 25 years old, get 1st rd buzz throughout and eventually go early 2nd rd. I imagine Penix's medicals will be much worse but he's also a much better QB than Hooker so he could still go 1st/2nd rd.

 

[dahrougem2]

I don’t think I’m sold on the “you have to have a franchise QB to win” thing anymore. We have had some crap ones but we have also had some absolutely putrid coaches walking through here the last 5-6 years. I definitely feel like the Broncos roster has been in shambles too and it started more like 5 years ago rather than 1-2.

How many teams have won SBs without one, though? Philly with Foles playing out of his mind (and Wentz playing all regular season at an MVP level) and Baltimore with Flacco also playing out of his mind are the only ones I can remember.

You gotta have one. At least someone above average like those guys who you hope turns it up come playoff time.

 

[henchman21]

I think Flacco in his prime was close to a franchise guy. 1st round pick who started for nearly a decade and was great in the playoffs. Not a top 5 guy… but most teams would take that out of an 18th pick.

 

[AvsWraith]

I mean... how many legitimately good teams don't have a franchise QB? The Browns, but they have a stupidly elite defense. The Lions, but Goff is still a good but not quite elite QB. Cowboys, same as the Lions. Dolphins, same as the Cowboys/Lions. Jags, same as before. Non of them have franchise QB's, but at the same time does anyone consider those teams legit contenders? Cowboys I guess would be. But all the biggest contenders currently have elite franchise QB's and thats who have been winning SB's forever.

So getting the team to a playoff level won't take a franchise QB, but to win a SB it will almost for sure take one.

I kinda want to go that direction and build an elite defense again. We've tried so long to get a franchise QB and it's only blown up in our faces and made us a laughing stock. An elite defense can win you the SuperBowl. We've done it before at SB 50, and Baltimore and Tampa have done it as well.