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He could have saved pitchers for the games he was going to bet. You could punt a game without having bet on them to set up the game you will bet them.
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Was he not given a lifetime ban? Did he not served it? Once Rose died, his ban should be over. It is not hard to understand. He paid his debt, time to include the Hit King into the HOF.
Without Rose, the HOF feels incomplete.
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Gimme s break. There are worse people in the HOF who did worse things than what Rose did. Permanently ineligible is pure bs.
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You’re trusting him with the integrity of the game either way and at no point should that be a factor of influence. Sports is about pure competition. That can’t be tainted, it goes against the fairness of the game.
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Rose is a slimy scumbag who never showed any remorse for anything he did and his only regret was getting caught.
He deserves nothing when it comes to the HOF dead or alive.
No Fun Shogun
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We don't know if he never bet against his team. We admittedly only have proof that he bet for his teams to win, but given that he denied even that for a couple decades I don't take his claims that he never bet against the Reds at face value. Once a liar, after all.
And even if he never bet against the Reds, the fact that he bet sometimes obviously raises into question if he managed games differently. If he didn't have money on a game, did he rest players to have them ready for a game he did bet on (specifically if he ever didn't use a cluch closer or reliever where a circumstance otherwise merited it)? We have no way of knowing, and that's why a blanket ban is required, as the act of betting on some games invariably and logically impacts the decisions you make on the games you don't bet on. Or did he burn through players to win games he bet on at the cost of future games?
Not to mention that I have a hard time imagining that him not betting on some games or betting on other games didn't impact bookie behavior and oddsmaking, and so who knows if he gamed that to any degree.
Are there bigger dirtbags than him? Sure. But gambling on baseball has been a universally banned thing for personnel involved in the game for generations. It's basically the one red line that MLB doesn't walk back from, and Rose is so damn high profile that they have to stick to their guns to show that if even he can get banned then so would random journeymen and minor leaguers if they get caught, too.
And even if he never bet against the Reds, the fact that he bet sometimes obviously raises into question if he managed games differently. If he didn't have money on a game, did he rest players to have them ready for a game he did bet on (specifically if he ever didn't use a cluch closer or reliever where a circumstance otherwise merited it)? We have no way of knowing, and that's why a blanket ban is required, as the act of betting on some games invariably and logically impacts the decisions you make on the games you don't bet on. Or did he burn through players to win games he bet on at the cost of future games?
Not to mention that I have a hard time imagining that him not betting on some games or betting on other games didn't impact bookie behavior and oddsmaking, and so who knows if he gamed that to any degree.
Are there bigger dirtbags than him? Sure. But gambling on baseball has been a universally banned thing for personnel involved in the game for generations. It's basically the one red line that MLB doesn't walk back from, and Rose is so damn high profile that they have to stick to their guns to show that if even he can get banned then so would random journeymen and minor leaguers if they get caught, too.
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Ty Cobb was significantly worse and he is in the HOF. As long as that unrepentent, criminal in cleats, racist thug is in the HOF, then I will fight to get Rose into the HOF. If MLB wants to remove Cobb from the HOF, then I will stop fighting for Rose. It is that simple.
This is my last comment on the subject. We will not see eye to eye on this subject.
Crow
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I dunno about that. A lot of what was said about Cobb has more recently been exposed as made up bullshit.
No Fun Shogun
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Cobb being a lousy human being is absolutely a mark against him, but ultimately being a dick isn't viewed as an integrel mark against the sport itself (unless you annoy a current baseball writer, then watch out). If you wanted to compare and contrast the making it past the pearly gates odds for Cobb and Rose and wanted to say Cobb losses that matchup, I wouldn't really fault you there.
But again, gambling on baseball has been the universally understood red line that nobody can cross for as long as anyone's been alive. Nothing else potentially dillutes public trust in a sports body like the idea of anything being rigged, which is why anyone getting caught betting on the game while being involved with the game results in MLB clamping down hardcore on them.
Rose bet on the game knowing the penalty if he was caught, and he was caught. Him being a less shitty person than loads of other people doesn't mean that the potential harm he could've caused the game wasn't worse.
Or, at the very least, Rose is the ultimate example of not needlessly denying everything for decades and then only admitting to it for a book deal, compared to Cobb fighting a potential gambling suspension immediately way back in the day and Ohtani being able to pin the blame on someone else immediately (editorial note: not saying necessarily unjustly, but the whole thing still smells fishy to me) versus letting it drag on for decades stubbornly.
That all being said, MLB and other sports being so damn in bed with sportsbooks post-covid is absolutely going to have a massive reckoning eventually.
But again, gambling on baseball has been the universally understood red line that nobody can cross for as long as anyone's been alive. Nothing else potentially dillutes public trust in a sports body like the idea of anything being rigged, which is why anyone getting caught betting on the game while being involved with the game results in MLB clamping down hardcore on them.
Rose bet on the game knowing the penalty if he was caught, and he was caught. Him being a less shitty person than loads of other people doesn't mean that the potential harm he could've caused the game wasn't worse.
Or, at the very least, Rose is the ultimate example of not needlessly denying everything for decades and then only admitting to it for a book deal, compared to Cobb fighting a potential gambling suspension immediately way back in the day and Ohtani being able to pin the blame on someone else immediately (editorial note: not saying necessarily unjustly, but the whole thing still smells fishy to me) versus letting it drag on for decades stubbornly.
That all being said, MLB and other sports being so damn in bed with sportsbooks post-covid is absolutely going to have a massive reckoning eventually.
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Let's also not forget that Rose was accused of statutory rape.
No Fun Shogun
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Connor BeJesus
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Yup. 30 something year old bangin a 16 year old and bragging about it? Yea f*** Pete Rose.
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Pete Rose is a total scum bag but that shouldn't keep you out of the hall. Compromising the integrity of the game? Bye forever.
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Cobb was a complicated man but he lived a hundred years ago. We have slave owners on US currency. You celebrate the greats for being great at what the hall of fame is honoring. If Washington attempted a coup? Get him off the single forever.
Rose is done. His family doesn't deserve anything from the baseball hall of fame. Bonds is a top five player all time and he probably won't get in. Them's the breaks. Just gonna have to settle for millions of dollars.
Rose is done. His family doesn't deserve anything from the baseball hall of fame. Bonds is a top five player all time and he probably won't get in. Them's the breaks. Just gonna have to settle for millions of dollars.
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Jurickson Profar with the epic troll job on Mookie Betts. Betts thought he homered in the first but it was not until he was reaching 3rd that he realized Profar caught the ball. Profar even had the network fooled.
Dodgers fans embarrassed themselves with their behavior last night.
Dodgers fans embarrassed themselves with their behavior last night.
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No Fun Shogun
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In case anyone needed confirmation, Kyle Hendricks is definitely walking.
The front office may or may not have had a little going away celebration for him on Thursday.
The front office may or may not have had a little going away celebration for him on Thursday.
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Will just end up being a tease to Sox fans. If it goes through the Dave Stewart ownership is a Nashville based thing.
How does that make sense? He’d owe a fortune in taxes, whereas his kids would get a stepped up basis.
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And who is close with Dave Stewart. You guessed it... Tony La Russa. Jerry can f*** right off.
