It’s a terrible decision. The majority of their top prospects came from these exact deadline trades the past few seasons, and the market is far thinner this year. They’re an average club that happened to have its hot streak in July. They’re going nowhere this year.
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Blackhawkswincup
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Looks like Cubs may be buyers
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Lol wat?
The Cubs season has been over months ago. An eight game win streak means very little when they will have to keep that pace up to sniff a wild card spot.
This year was about development and outside of Steele and to an extent Morel, there's been none.
The bullpen is dog piss. They might have found a closer in Alzolay, and they've over relied on vets to provide their ridiculous offense. IF the Cubs actually made the playoffs they would get beaten in the wild card game. Easily.
They brought pieces in like Dansby to help the kids who were supposed to come up. Mervis isn't an mlb talent, unlike many who were saying he was the next Rizzo.Wis isn't an mlb talent, unlike many who were saying he was the next top of the rotation guy in spring training.
This teams an Ohtani and a bullpen away from being a contender. And I highly doubt they get either unless their three big arms in the minors (Horton, Wick, Brown) suddenly become mlb ready by next year.
Blackhawkswincup
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Cubs gave up two projects years away from being anything (If they develop into MLB talent)
Good deal for you guys
DisgruntledHawkFan
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TLEH
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Sometimes I think in baseball you have to show that you’re atleast a serious team. It felt like a “we are a serious team buy”.
They certainly haven’t acted like a serious team the past few years. I don’t think they get in the playoffs but if the rumors are true that they’re going to throw dollars at Ohtani, better start trying to win.
They certainly haven’t acted like a serious team the past few years. I don’t think they get in the playoffs but if the rumors are true that they’re going to throw dollars at Ohtani, better start trying to win.
Don’t blame him man, blame it on Greg Maddux, who he had as a guest on his stream. Greg told him Wis was going to win Roy.
No.
Did you know the Cubs has had two winning months (June and July) and a .500 month (April) that surrounds a disasterous month(May)? Just 5 more wins in May and the Cubs are RIGHTTHERE with the Reds/Brewers and nobody would even questioned the Cubs buying. The fact that the Cubs players fought tooth and nail to get back to .500 shows that this team has fight in them and Hoyer is doing the right thing by rewarding the players by going to get reinforcements.
If the Cubs were further back than they currently are, I would agree with you, but the Cubs getting back to .500 with that 8 game winning streak and are in striking distance of Brewers/Reds and selling would have been unwise.
Besides, it's not as though Hoyer is trying to go all in. So far he has been pragmatic. Best part of Canderlario is that it is likely the end of Patrick Wisdom in Chicago. With Madrigal, Morel and Canderlario, there is no need for Wisdom. That, in itself, is a win for the Cubs.
As the late investor Sam Zell would say, not selling an asset is the same thing as buying it at market price. If the Cubs wouldn’t be willing to give up a haul to acquire soon to be free agents like Stroman/Bellinger, then they should be unloading them for that same haul.
And what kind of message would that have sent to the players that would have been here after the deadline? I swear some Cubs fans are addicted to losing.
Seriously, what kind of stuff were you expecting for Bellinger and Stroman? Stroman has sucked since he realize he is not getting an extension from the Cubs. Which means, you are not getting anything worth moving Stroman. As for Bellinger, you might get something similar to what the Sox got for Gio/Lopez but the thing is...Cubs already have those caliber of prospects in the organization and they have a roster crunch for the Rule 5 draft (it's the reason why the Cubs were ok with giving up Herz/Made for Canderlario....they both were Rule 5 eligible this year). IOW, hawksrule, you wanted the Cubs to do a firesale just for the sake of a firesale.
Cubs are in striking distance of the playoffs and they are improving at the margins (Canderlario probably means goodbye to Wisdom) without giving up too much of the future. Keeping Stroman/Bellinger is better for the morale of a team that is playing well, is better for the organization than a couple of lottery picks. Cubs are justified in buying.
What kind of message? Are they five year olds? The message is we’re building a team and trying to accumulate the best possible talent.
If you think Stroman and Bellinger wouldn’t return anything worthwhile, then that’s a different argument, and most insiders strongly disagree with that.
TLEH
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I think Stroman has tanked his value quite a bit with a disaster 6 start run. Belly obviously would have a lot of value to a contender.
I am fine with them moving guys like Herz, Made. Rule 5 guys anyway. Baseball isn't hockey and you can build through draft, FA, trades a lot easier. We are a massive market with a historic franchise. If you swing and miss on a couple big dollar deals it shouldn't affect anything because you should be using your funds to overcome mistakes. Int'l market you should be shelling dollars, FA market. To attract those guys you have to show a willingness to spend, and try to win.
I am fine with them moving guys like Herz, Made. Rule 5 guys anyway. Baseball isn't hockey and you can build through draft, FA, trades a lot easier. We are a massive market with a historic franchise. If you swing and miss on a couple big dollar deals it shouldn't affect anything because you should be using your funds to overcome mistakes. Int'l market you should be shelling dollars, FA market. To attract those guys you have to show a willingness to spend, and try to win.
No Fun Shogun
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The simple fact of the matter is that if we had sold, management would've lost the locker room and more or less necessitated a total firesale of the roster.
Maybe that'd be for the best longterm, but we're in an insanely winnable division and are one of the hottest teams since the all star break. Hard sell to the team and, more importantly, the fans.
Not to mention that I don't think we would've gotten a huge haul for anyone anyway, so small buys aren't really setting us back.
Maybe that'd be for the best longterm, but we're in an insanely winnable division and are one of the hottest teams since the all star break. Hard sell to the team and, more importantly, the fans.
Not to mention that I don't think we would've gotten a huge haul for anyone anyway, so small buys aren't really setting us back.
We got our #1 prospect for a more or less washed up Javy Baez. We absolutely could have gotten something excellent for Bellinger, who’s absolutely been raking.
Blackhawkswincup
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Good for Jake to go to contender
Going to miss his power but outside of that he doesn't bring much but still was nice story to see him finally establish himself in a role at ML level after all the injuries
Marlins #4 prospect to Sox
Lefty who missed year because of arm surgery. Currently has 2-1 record in 6 starts in AA with 3.94 ERA
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Patino has been horrendous the last few years (6.75 ERA in AAA this year)
One of those hyped guys who didn't pan out at all
No downside to acquiring him and giving him a shot but dont expect anything here. If Rays couldn't figure out how to get him pitching well it seems doubtful anyone can
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