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Yep. Once they banned that stuff he was a completely different guy. But I'm not surprised he was doctoring the ball. He is a finesse pitcher and never had elite stuff. But alot of pitchers used it so can't completely call him out only. Hell, Giolito hasn't been the same either (remember thay POS Josh Donaldson called him out after he homered against him).
Gio's spin rates are pretty much the same as before the crackdown. Maybe he changed his mechanics to get the same spin, but the biggest thing with giolito is that his average velo is down considerably from 2020. Hard to be a fastball/changeup guy with a 92mph fastball.
 
There's a lot of speculation that Keuchel was a big sticky stuff guy. Basically, a huge cheater. His demise to being a AAA pitcher more or less coincided with the crackdown, didn't it?

I'd say pretty much every pitcher in MLB was using something at some point... can't really just single him out.
 
I hope LaRussa is ok, whatever is going on with him.

And the Sox lose again to the Royals. They are now 6 GB, and espn lists their playoff chance at 7.9%. That feels generous at this point. It's going to be interesting how the front office responds to this disaster of a season.
 
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I hope LaRussa is ok, whatever is going on with him.

And the Sox lose again to the Royals. They are now 6 GB, and espn lists their playoff chance at 7.9%. That feels generous at this point. It's going to be interesting how the front office responds to this disaster of a season.

I hope he has to take a leave of absence for the rest of the season, and the rest of his contract. No idea what you're talking about, though. What happened?
 


I hope he's alright too. I don't really wish ill upon anyone except for one person in the world, and it isn't TLR.

I do hope he has to take a leave of absence from coaching or retire, though. I want to see what a younger manager, more with the times, can do with this team before I chalk them up as a failure.
 
I hope he's alright too. I don't really wish ill upon anyone except for “one person? “in the world, and it isn't TLR.

I do hope he has to take a leave of absence from coaching or retire, though. I want to see what a younger manager, more with the times, can do with this team before I chalk them up as a failure.
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TLR will be gone in offseason

It didn't work out his return to Chicago with hopes of winning title where it all began

But this team's failure is more on Hahn and his awful roster + The continued failure of players such as Moncada who has now been trash for years under multiple coaches and organizations

His worthless lazy ass needs to GTFO
 
TLR will be gone in offseason

It didn't work out his return to Chicago with hopes of winning title where it all began

But this team's failure is more on Hahn and his awful roster + The continued failure of players such as Moncada who has now been trash for years under multiple coaches and organizations

His worthless lazy ass needs to GTFO
Actually, moncada has only been "trash" under tony and frank. The fun police took the wind out if the sails. Went from one of the most exciting teams to a boring trash fire because of your boy tony.
 
TLR will be gone in offseason

It didn't work out his return to Chicago with hopes of winning title where it all began

But this team's failure is more on Hahn and his awful roster + The continued failure of players such as Moncada who has now been trash for years under multiple coaches and organizations

His worthless lazy ass needs to GTFO
What umm organizations was Moncada trash besides the White Sox recently?

In Boston he was the number one ranked prospect in all of baseball in 2016, 3rd in 2015, and didn’t fall past 7th until he was no longer a prospect when an influx of impact prospects were coming up.

The guy was prospected to be a 5 war guy in his prime and has been a 3 war guy up until the wheels blew off this season.

There’s bigger issues then Moncada.
 


This is a perfect example of how this front office has failed, why the roster is flawed/not good enough, and why not everything can be TLRs fault.

Having said that the manager has been a part of the problem too, and it’s looking now like there’s a chance he’s managed his last game for good. I’m thinking these medical issues might signal the end for TLR.

Really hoping that’s the case. Not wishing anything bad just that he decides to retire and focus on his health/quit and give someone else a chance.
 
Lol bases loaded 1 out and pollock and grandal cant do anything. Good thing tbr guy who hit 2 hrs last night ia batting after them.
 
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A 77 year old man is having health issues? Weird. It's almost like, it was a terrible idea to hire him in the first place.

He did this to himself too. It was a terrible decision by Reinsdorf but La Russa didn't have to take the job. Prayers to him but I have no sympathy because it was his choice.
 
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I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of Jimenez, Robert, and Moncada.

This trio has become completely unreliable. They play a game or 2, then miss a week, then come back for another game, then it’s 2 more weeks off, and then repeat this process over and over and over.

FOR 2 CONSECUTIVE 162 GAME SEASONS!!!!

They’re pathetic. Absolutely unprepared(physically) to play a game that involves very little movement compared to most sports. And they’re all young and in their prime.

Irresponsible and unreliable. Unable to stay in shape. Unable to help their teammates. Failing their teammates and their fans.

These 3 guys are a major reason this rebuild hasn’t worked. They can’t seem to stay active. And again that’s on THEM. They’re letting us all down big time.

Here we are…kicking off a big series vs the Twins(somehow still with a chance at the playoffs…), and wouldn’t ya know it all 3 are MIA. WHAT A SHOCK!

Smh

I’m beyond disgusted with those 3. Such massive disappointments just thinking about them makes me furious at this point.

Next rebuild let’s try building around players that care about their team/the game enough to remain in peak condition like most professional athletes. Instead of these lazy, fragile, uninterested wastes of $$.
 
I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of Jimenez, Robert, and Moncada.

This trio has become completely unreliable. They play a game or 2, then miss a week, then come back for another game, then it’s 2 more weeks off, and then repeat this process over and over and over.

FOR 2 CONSECUTIVE 162 GAME SEASONS!!!!

They’re pathetic. Absolutely unprepared(physically) to play a game that involves very little movement compared to most sports. And they’re all young and in their prime.

Irresponsible and unreliable. Unable to stay in shape. Unable to help their teammates. Failing their teammates and their fans.

These 3 guys are a major reason this rebuild hasn’t worked. They can’t seem to stay active. And again that’s on THEM. They’re letting us all down big time.

Here we are…kicking off a big series vs the Twins(somehow still with a chance at the playoffs…), and wouldn’t ya know it all 3 are MIA. WHAT A SHOCK!

Smh

I’m beyond disgusted with those 3. Such massive disappointments just thinking about them makes me furious at this point.

Next rebuild let’s try building around players that care about their team/the game enough to remain in peak condition like most professional athletes. Instead of these lazy, fragile, uninterested wastes of $$.

You ever think that this is a training issue? We have no way of knowing, but it's definitely a possibility. Soft tissue issues usually have to do with "bulking up" as opposed to putting on small amounts of muscle mass, and training for flexibility. When you add a bunch of bulk to muscles, they don't stretch/contract or move as well... It could explain speed issues with a lot of the guys too. Bulky is not fast. And what would be even worse, is if the trainers are training them for bulk, to hit homers, and then the coaching staff is coaching them to contact and small ball. :laugh:

It could very well be the players, but man.... you go absolutely bat shit crazy in here about shit that you really don't know one way or the other. How do you post something with this level of anger(about a sport for one), and blame the players, when it could very well be the trainers/training?

I'm not saying it's the trainers, or it's the players. I'm just looking at it objectively, which you seem to struggle with when it comes to this team.
 
You ever think that this is a training issue? We have no way of knowing, but it's definitely a possibility. Soft tissue issues usually have to do with "bulking up" as opposed to putting on small amounts of muscle mass, and training for flexibility. When you add a bunch of bulk to muscles, they don't stretch/contract or move as well... It could explain speed issues with a lot of the guys too. Bulky is not fast. And what would be even worse, is if the trainers are training them for bulk, to hit homers, and then the coaching staff is coaching them to contact and small ball. :laugh:

It could very well be the players, but man.... you go absolutely bat shit crazy in here about shit that you really don't know one way or the other. How do you post something with this level of anger(about a sport for one), and blame the players, when it could very well be the trainers/training?

I'm not saying it's the trainers, or it's the players. I'm just looking at it objectively, which you seem to struggle with when it comes to this team.

Lol why am I mad ? Really ? That’s what you’re going with? This team and those players I mentioned are a massive disappointment. Sorry if im mad. Im furious tbh. The trainers included. Overhaul the entire athletic training staff. This is on them too because this situation is unacceptable and the blame goes around for everyone involved.
 
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