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[ChiHawks10]

That's not a serious offer for Soto. If the number doesn't start with a 5, it's not serious.

Boras and Soto know what he's worth.

Lol. It's rumored to a be a 15 year 440 million dollar deal worth 29.3m per year. It's the highest contract offer in baseball history when it comes to guaranteed money. When he's currently having the worst statistical season of his career. But yeah, it's not a serious offer. Do you EVER think before you type?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Disagree. It's not serious. It's a PR stunt to excuse the inevitable trade.

How much higher is his market value? I'm pro labor in any and every argument. Guaranteed multi generational wealth is a serious offer.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I dont mean money wise, i mean the org must be looked at pretty poorly by players because they made real offers to both guys and neither wanted to be there.

Both guys are chasing every last dollar. Good on them. That's their right. It doesn't say anything bad about the organization.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

How much higher is his market value? I'm pro labor in any and every argument. Guaranteed multi generational wealth is a serious offer.

My belief is that they won't sign anything that doesn't begin with a 5, just like Machado wouldn't sign anything that didn't begin with a 3.

At $440M, what's an extra 60M over 15 years?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

My belief is that they won't sign anything that doesn't begin with a 5, just like Machado wouldn't sign anything that didn't begin with a 3.

At $440M, what's an extra 60M over 15 years?

Sixty million dollars.

 

[ChiHawks10]

My belief is that they won't sign anything that doesn't begin with a 5, just like Machado wouldn't sign anything that didn't begin with a 3.

At $440M, what's an extra 60M over 15 years?

At this point it's well known that they're chasing a $500M contract.

And there's the argument change we all know and love...

440m is a serious offer. Full stop. To try and argue that it isn't... and that it's a "PR stunt" is absolute f***ing nonsense.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Sixty million dollars.

At this point it's well known that they're chasing a $500M contract. He may not get it, but damn if he's not going to try.

And there's the argument change we all know and love...

440m is a serious offer. Full stop. To try and argue that it isn't... and that it's a "PR stunt" is absolute f***ing nonsense.

It's only a serious offer if it has a reasonable chance of getting accepted.

That offer had zero chance of getting accepted, hence non-serious.

As a matter of fact, I don't think Nats ownership would have even made that offer if they didn't know it had zero chance of getting accepted.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Full blown edits coming up

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

At this point it's well known that they're chasing a $500M contract. He may not get it, but damn if he's not going to try.


It's only a serious offer if it has a reasonable chance of getting accepted.

That offer had zero chance of getting accepted, hence non-serious.

It's an offer that has 440 million serious real world dollars behind it. I'm a rail road union steward. Believe you me I'm on the side of labor.

Soto wanting every penny the market may offer is his right. Good on him for taking that chance.

440 million is 440 million every day of the week. That's not a nothing sum of money.

 

[ChiHawks10]

At this point it's well known that they're chasing a $500M contract. He may not get it, but damn if he's not going to try.


It's only a serious offer if it has a reasonable chance of getting accepted.

That offer had zero chance of getting accepted, hence non-serious.

Lol.

It's a serious offer if it requires careful consideration. You don't think a 440m offer and generational wealth, essentially securing his family's money concerns for the next 2 generations, or more(likely more), demands careful consideration?

Like I said... nonsense. Think before you type.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

It's an offer that has 440 million serious real world dollars behind it. I'm a rail road union steward. Believe you me I'm on the side of labor.

Soto wanting every penny the market may offer is his right. Good on him for taking that chance.

440 million is 440 million every day of the week. That's not a nothing sum of money.

I know you and ChiHawks10 are pro-labor, this really isn't about that.

It's about Soto and Boras having a goal to have the 1st 500M contract in MLB history, and they won't accept anything less until he gets to FA. Bottom Line.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he doesn't get it. But they're going to be damned if they won't try.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If it's guaranteed? No performance clauses? No buy outs? It's the biggest offer a baseball player has ever been offered. If he signs it nobody is saying wow they got him cheap.

You don't make four hundred million dollar offers that aren't serious.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I know you and ChiHawks10 are pro-labor, this really isn't about that.

It's about Soto and Boras having a goal to have the 1st 500M contract in MLB history, and they won't accept anything less until he gets to FA. Bottom Line.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he doesn't get it. But they're going to be damned if they won't try.

None of this is in any way related to your original argument of it not being a "serious offer."
This is an entirely different argument. Par for the course.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I know you and ChiHawks10 are pro-labor, this really isn't about that.

It's about Soto and Boras having a goal to have the 1st 500M contract in MLB history, and they won't accept anything less until he gets to FA. Bottom Line.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he doesn't get it. But they're going to be damned if they won't try.

Then say that instead of calling it a non serious offer.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Lol.

It's a serious offer if it requires careful consideration. You don't think a 440m offer and generational wealth, essentially securing his family's money concerns for the next 2 generations, or more(likely more), demands careful consideration?

Like I said... nonsense. Think before you type.

It's not about that, it's about setting the market. Soto is probably going to get $400M unless he drops off significantly over the next two seasons, so right now it's about the number. I think he feels pretty secure in the $400M number and he's willing to risk $40M or so right now to set the market in 2 years.

Then say that instead of calling it a non serious offer.

If you look at it under that context, then the offer was in fact non-serious.

 

[ChiHawks10]

It's not about that, it's about setting the market. Soto is probably going to get $400M unless he drops off significantly over the next two seasons, so right now it's about the number. I think he feels pretty secure in the $400M number and he's willing to risk $40M or so right now to set the market in 2 years.

Again... your original argument was that it isn't a "serious offer" for him. Which is absolute assclown nonsense, as has been pointed out to you by numerous people.

Again... you say something ridiculous, then change your argument up to be something completely different later on. Again, this is why you need to stop and think before you type. Something I've been telling you to do for what... 3-4+ years now? You just can't help yourself.

If you had led with your later points, this wouldn't even be a debate. The second you called the largest offer of guaranteed money in MLB history "not serious" no one was going to take you seriously, and no one was going to pay much attention to anything else you had to say in the discussion.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

It's not about that, it's about setting the market. Soto is probably going to get $400M unless he drops off significantly over the next two seasons, so right now it's about the number. I think he feels pretty secure in the $400M number and he's willing to risk $40M or so right now to set the market in 2 years.


If you look at it under that context, then the offer was in fact non-serious.

And if he gets hurt and can't produce he's losing hundreds of millions. Trying to set a new market and signing for way less than established market value are two entirely different things.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

And if he gets hurt and can't produce he's losing hundreds of millions. Trying to set a new market and signing for way less than established market value are two entirely different things.

I never said it wasn't a fair offer(it is) but it's still not serious because everyone knows it would take 500M for him to sign before FA. This isn't rocket science.

 

[madgoat33]

Both guys are chasing every last dollar. Good on them. That's their right. It doesn't say anything bad about the organization.

I gotta disagree with you on this. If there is nothing wrong with the org then why would they apparently lose out on harper over an additional 30mil over 3 years? I think there's something going on behind the scenes in that org that is dissuading players from signing there, but obviously thats just my opinion

 

[ChiHawks10]

I never said it wasn't a fair offer(it is) but it's still not serious because everyone knows it would take 500M for him to sign before FA.

Lol. And so the spin begins.

I gotta disagree with you on this. If there is nothing wrong with the org then why would they apparently lose out on harper over an additional 30mil over 3 years? I think there's something going on behind the scenes in that org that is dissuading players from signing there, but obviously thats just my opinion

No one wants to live in Washington DC or the surrounding area 9 or 10 months out of the year? Lol.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I never said it wasn't a fair offer(it is) but it's still non-serious.

A fair offer is by definition a serious offer.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I gotta disagree with you on this. If there is nothing wrong with the org then why would they apparently lose out on harper over an additional 30mil over 3 years? I think there's something going on behind the scenes in that org that is dissuading players from signing there, but obviously thats just my opinion

Thirty million dollars is thirty million dollars.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

A fair offer is by definition a serious offer.

It depends on if there are non-negotiable aspects to it. At least in my mind, something can be a fair offer but still unacceptable. Deal breakers exist. Right now, for Soto/Boras not starting with a 5 is a deal breaker.

DHF, if your people had a goal of trying to get one benefit in a negotiation, and the RR made an offer with significant concessions elsewhere, but did not budge on the one benefit that the union had a goal of gaining, would that not constitute a very fair offer, but also non-serious?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Chasing money is great. f*** billionaires. I don't know how to make my position any clearer.

 

[madgoat33]

Thirty million dollars is thirty million dollars.

I mean, 30mil spread out over 3 extra years a decade from now was enough to let harper walk over when they were already willing to go to 300? Seems strange to me, like an arbitrary line in the sand.