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Blackhawkswincup said:
So a quote from no one is damning indictment of TLR?

Sox are disappointing that is true and TLR needs to be better but as far as locker room leadership and general team morale don't seem to be issues. Players know they are playing poorly and take accountability of it same as TLR. And even guys like Anderson who were supposed to have issues with TLR hire have had no issues with him or coaching staff at this point and the "Whispers" this source claims haven't been showing up anywhere the last 2 years

I dont take "Unnamed sources" and "Whispers" as serious especially in this era when it's the go to for everything from media. Unnamed sources have become lazy way of reporting and in several instances actively proved to be untruths and raise questions about writers and bias they may have

It's not like situation like 04 Cubs in which Lockeroom is toxic and everyone is refusing to accept blame for situation or blaming media/outsiders (Remember Cub players publicly attacking Stone and others)
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Shut up.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
So a quote from no one is damning indictment of TLR?

Sox are disappointing that is true and TLR needs to be better but as far as locker room leadership and general team morale don't seem to be issues. Players know they are playing poorly and take accountability of it same as TLR. And even guys like Anderson who were supposed to have issues with TLR hire have had no issues with him or coaching staff at this point and the "Whispers" this source claims haven't been showing up anywhere the last 2 years

I dont take "Unnamed sources" and "Whispers" as serious especially in this era when it's the go to for everything from media. Unnamed sources have become lazy way of reporting and in several instances actively proved to be untruths and raise questions about writers and bias they may have

It's not like situation like 04 Cubs in which Lockeroom is toxic and everyone is refusing to accept blame for situation or blaming media/outsiders (Remember Cub players publicly attacking Stone and others)
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Name a time where TLR took accountability for his ridiculously stupid decision-making. I'll wait. Every stupid f***ing decision he makes... like intentionally walking someone when he has a 1-2 count, he has tried to play off like the right decision. And he makes one of those dumb f*** decisions EVERY.SINGLE.GAME. The entirety of MLB was laughing at him in that 1-2 walk situation, including the hitter that hit a 3 run homerun in the next at bat, yet he tried to say it was the right decision. A decision you wouldn't see a single other MLB manager make.

With this team performing as poorly as it is... the coaching staff has to be held accountable. One hundred f***ing percent. If they miss the playoffs, the entire staff should be fired. Period. This staff might be one of the worst assembled staffs in all of baseball history.

Even if they don't miss the POs, TLR should be fired. He's a f***ing dinosaur, and has no business managing one of the youngest teams in baseball.
 
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Pez68 said:
Look at teams that Frank Menechino has coached, and then come back to me. Way too much data to be a coincidence.
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Blaming a hitting coach (and pitching coach) is such a copout cliche. The ONLY time you hear about hitting/pitching coaches are when that team is struggling. Would WS fans be saying "that Frank Menechino is a great hitting coach" etc, etc, if the Sox were hitting and winning? Probably not. WS fans would be clamoring how their young core is one of the best (and rightfully so) in the game.

Menechino will be the fall guy, no doubt, but the blame should start and end with the players themselves.

I personally think the Sox should part ways with TLR. I think he has a bigger negative influence on the team than the hitting coach.
 
lol at this back and forth “it’s the players”….”no you idiot, it’s the manager” debating.

ITS BOTH!

You’re both right.

Stop arguing.
 
Right? Everyone sucks.

Larussa has probably directly cost them 3-4 games and has certainly been involved in several others. Friday night would be an example of one of those, going to Banks in a 1-run game, since he'll never go to one of his high leverage guys when trailing. The insurance run he gave up ended up being the game, but it wouldn't have mattered if the offense would've scored 2 measley runs over the 1st 8 innings.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
You can't tell me TLR deserves to still have a job. You also can't tell me that this team just doesn't want to play for him. There's no f***ing way anyone on that team has any respect for this asshole.
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You mean we CAN* tell you they don’t wanna play for him. Cuz they don’t. The players have clearly quit on the manager and want him gone as bad as us fans.

Unfortunately, even with a new manager, the roster will still need to be fixed/upgraded. In several areas.

A competent FO would find a new manager immediately, and utilize the TDL to make those roster upgrades. But not these White Sox. Not with our ownership. We’re stuck.
 
TLR literally looks like a man that might pass away at any moment. And I don’t mean to make fun of anyone who might be a senior citizen struggling to cling on to life….but that’s honestly how he comes off. Can barely speak or put together sentences. His mind isn’t working properly. I almost feel sorry for him, it’s painful to watch. There’s no way he should be working any profession in his condition, let alone managing a professional baseball team.
 
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SimpleJack said:
You mean we CAN* tell you they don’t wanna play for him. Cuz they don’t. The players have clearly quit on the manager and want him gone as bad as us fans.

Unfortunately, even with a new manager, the roster will still need to be fixed/upgraded. In several areas.

A competent FO would find a new manager immediately, and utilize the TDL to make those roster upgrades. But not these White Sox. Not with our ownership. We’re stuck.
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Yes, you knew what I meant. The wording was wrong, though, for what I meant.
 
Eloy Jimenez and Yoan Moncada deserve as much blame as anyone for the Sox current state. Those 2 players were supposed to become stars and instead they’re inept and rarely available. Really sucks that they didn’t pan out.
 
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I'll say one thing. I was digging at Josh Harrison, but he's been pretty good the last month +. Hopefully that keeps up.

And now the Sox somehow are still right there after this dismal first half. 5 games behind the Twinkies, going in to this 4 game series. It would be huge if they could go up there and win 3 of 4.
 
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Sarava said:
I'll say one thing. I was digging at Josh Harrison, but he's been pretty good the last month +. Hopefully that keeps up.

And now the Sox somehow are still right there after this dismal first half. 5 games behind the Twinkies, going in to this 4 game series. It would be huge if they could go up there and win 3 of 4.
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Also, just 3.5 out of WC spot
 
southsideIrish said:
Just a game and a half behind Baltimore. Yes the Baltimore Orioles. Same Birds that the Sox barely avoided getting swept in a 4-game series with, at home.
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Baltimore is 45-44

They have been outperforming expectations and are currently riding a 10-game winning streak

There are several teams worse the O's this year so losing to them isn't a damning indictment the way it would have been last year or other years
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Baltimore is 45-44

They have been outperforming expectations and are currently riding a 10-game winning streak

There are several teams worse the O's this year so losing to them isn't a damning indictment the way it would have been last year or other years
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The point wasn't that this was the O's of past years. The point was that against another potential playoff team, a team they're in direct competition/chasing for a wild card, they barely avoided being swept at home in a four game series.
 
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