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OT: Other Chicago & General Sports Thread XXVII: Baez Time!
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Duke33
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I'm biased as a Sox fan, but I know several Cub fans who can't stand the guy, and it's all pretty straightforward. Great stats yeah but how many of those were influenced by the dope? Fans of players who were caught cheating always use the "well everyone was doing it at the time" argument but no, everyone was not doing it or more guys would have been caught.
It was the whole spectacle that became fraudulent. And his attitude towards the end. The bat corking too. Yeah he was caught just once, but who knows. The guy was a cheater and his tenure with the Cubs ended very badly. Were I a Cubs fan I'd dislike him too.
ChiGuySez
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Dont really care that much about the corked bat. I mean I do and dont like it but I could get past that but getting caught using HGH and the HR spectacle with Sosa and McGwire both on the stuff and both getting caught killed it for me. Same for Bonds and the rest. Put a black mark on the all-time records which are now tainted by that.
No Fun Shogun
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There are tainted records everywhere, though. Ruth played in an era where blacks couldn't play. Mantle played in an era where players took all kinds of amphetamines. We've been in a post-lowered mound era for decades. Players of the 90s/2000s played in an era with rampant, and more or less condoned, steroid use.
I just think that this, when talking about players that used prior to testing, is much ado about nothing, really. Yes, there were players that didn't use, but the use of steroids was so widespread that we're not going to know for sure everyone that didn't use it. Someone that might be completely off our radar from that era could be connected tomorrow with new evidence for all that we know. I just think worrying about it is pointless for those years, and ignoring the accomplishments that were achieved is short-sighted.
It was the steroid era, just put in a reference in the Hall of Fame recognizing why there was a drastic jump in offensive production during those years, ignoring it doesn't really do anything in my opinion.
If you want to throw the books at folks that were caught after testing was implemented, then by all means. Just don't feel like letting MLB have its cake and eat it, too by letting them ignore it when it was good for them and then act outraged now that it's not.
I just think that this, when talking about players that used prior to testing, is much ado about nothing, really. Yes, there were players that didn't use, but the use of steroids was so widespread that we're not going to know for sure everyone that didn't use it. Someone that might be completely off our radar from that era could be connected tomorrow with new evidence for all that we know. I just think worrying about it is pointless for those years, and ignoring the accomplishments that were achieved is short-sighted.
It was the steroid era, just put in a reference in the Hall of Fame recognizing why there was a drastic jump in offensive production during those years, ignoring it doesn't really do anything in my opinion.
If you want to throw the books at folks that were caught after testing was implemented, then by all means. Just don't feel like letting MLB have its cake and eat it, too by letting them ignore it when it was good for them and then act outraged now that it's not.
MurrayBannerman
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The next two years as these guys come up tot he bigs will be fun to watch. Lots of bats. I know we are trying to break the cycle on the pitching that everyone else was drafting for. We will be in good shape on that front going forward....the sticks. Just need a couple of 1-3 starter arms to really get us going after next year.
MurrayBannerman
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ChiGuySez
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Bryant Im ok with so far. Posting a high avg and looks like ha can make the adjustment to every level of pitching hes facing. Baez Im not so sure yet. They say Baez is a wild swinger. Supposed to be swinging at almost anything. Bryant is completely different. More disciplined type hitter.
Kurtosis
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A silver lining for Baez at least is that his contact rates have been steadily increasing month by month so it looks like he is able to make adjustments quite well.
No Fun Shogun
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My attitude as well, though hopefully there's pitching available when we're ready to need it.
If Aiken lost his eligibility dealing with an advisor and that loophole results in FA status, look for the Cubs to throw money at him.
MurrayBannerman
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The only way he's an FA is through grievance with the Astros, if I remember correctly. As much as I like that organization, I'd rather have Brady Aiken in the Cubs system.
I could be wrong on the FA thing though.
MurrayBannerman
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MurrayBannerman
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@JeffPassan: Scary Astros possibility: If Nix wins grievance to pay agreed-upon $1.5M, Houston 17% over bonus pool, would forfeit next two 1st-rd picks.
BTW....Bryant and Baez both with a homer and two hits tonight. Schwarber with 2 hits and a homer as well.
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