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Not to sound like an ass but you guys seem pretty heated over it :laugh: I wouldn't go as far as to say you're birging on it though, other people I know do that
 
Killem Dafoe said:
"He's a nice guy who enjoys sipping codeine. So what?..." this guy...:laugh:

The debate started from whether or not we feel sympathy for someone who hurts themselves as a result of doing drugs. Not how we judge their character by their habits.

I agree. SO what? He can do whatever he wants. We can agree there. I certainly don't judge. But he won't get sympathy from me when he kills himself in the process.
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In general, I feel sympathy for a person who suffers a potentially debilitating medical complications if they are of good character. Looking at Lil Wayne's past, there's nothing I can point to and say he's of poor character.

If he suffers a stroke, can't talk and will be in a wheelchair the rest of his life, is it his fault? Sure, but it doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for him.

Michael Del Ziti said:
Promoting the use of dangerous illegal drugs is a habit?

Also important to mention is that a lot of the audience he's promoting to are lower class kids, who are badly educated in these subjects
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Maybe you should point me to where Lil Wayne has directly told a minor that codeine is awesome and they should try it. Otherwise, you sound like those mothers from the 90s who were all up in arms about Marilyn Manson after Columbine.
 
Bob Richards said:
Commercials have the sole purpose of telling you to buy their product. Their existence depends on that especially when a good portion of them say "buy this now".

Lil Wayne raps about stupid **** and how much he enjoys indulging in hedonism. Dumb, but that's him. If one is to seriously take up drugs because they see a picture of Wayne holding Sizzurp, that speaks far more negatively about them than it does him.
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But people idolize him right?

A commercial and Lil Wayne both talk about how cool something is, but because the commercial tell you specifically to buy it that's one thing? Do you not think kids who listen to Lil Wayne don't hear the lyrics or see those pictures and think they need to try it? Humans are impressionable by nature and that's why commercials exists. In fact, that's why marketing companies use rappers in their commercials. Do they do it because these guys are so articulate and good at acting? Or because they have a fan base who will listen to them?
 
SFW, in response to this, I heard a song on my friend's Ipod by Lil'Wayne... and all he was rapping about was to get cheap women and to abuse drugs...just saying... Im gonna not get into this more though
 
Guess What said:
Not to sound like an ass but you guys seem pretty heated over it :laugh: I wouldn't go as far as to say you're birging on it though, other people I know do that
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We are completely level headed though I noticed that those who disagree with me have low IQs and probably bathe irregularly.
 
Guess What said:
SFW, in response to this, I heard a song on my friend's Ipod by Lil'Wayne... and all he was rapping about was to get cheap women and to abuse drugs...just saying... Im gonna not get into this more though
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His music is terribad. He's still never harmed a soul other than himself.
 
Killem Dafoe said:
But people idolize him right?

A commercial and Lil Wayne both talk about how cool something is, but because the commercial tell you specifically to buy it that's one thing? Do you not think kids who listen to Lil Wayne don't hear the lyrics or see those pictures and think they need to try it? Humans are impressionable by nature and that's why commercials exists. In fact, that's why marketing companies use rappers in their commercials. Do they do it because these guys are so articulate and good at acting? Or because they have a fan base who will listen to them?
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Until I directly hear a lyric from him telling me that taking drugs until I suffer from a seizure is cool, I'm not going to pin that criticism on him.

If you listen to a Wayne song and are inspired to start doing stupid ****, that's a choice you make.
 
SFW said:
His music is terribad. He's still never harmed a soul other than himself.
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I didn't say harming...just putting the words out there can lead to people (well in this case "Gangsta" kids.) But humans as we know idolize and birg off of people or things... I'm looking at it from a psychological POV now though.
 
SFW said:
In general, I feel sympathy for a person who suffers a potentially debilitating medical complications if they are of good character. Looking at Lil Wayne's past, there's nothing I can point to and say he's of poor character.

If he suffers a stroke, can't talk and will be in a wheelchair the rest of his life, is it his fault? Sure, but it doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for him.
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I agree, and again, now we're almost going to a completely different topic. Is he a good guy? He could be. But if someone posts a silly meme poking fun of him hurting himself because of his choice to take drugs, people can laugh at it and I won't feel bad.
 
I think the meme is hilarious, but that's because when it comes to humor, I think nearly everything is fair game.
 
Bob Richards said:
I think the meme is hilarious, but that's because when it comes to humor, I think nearly everything is fair game.
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Almost everything.

Apparently on The Jeselnik Offensive, Anthony Jeselnik was making fun of a recent shark attack victim. That's crossing the line, IMO.

I'm very big into stand-up comedy. I went to this show in the city and as a Jew, I don't care if anyone makes fun of Jews. If I laugh at all the jokes they make about other races, religions, and whatnot, I shouldn't get upset. I actually laugh at the jokes directed at Jews, but this one guy started making jokes about the Holocaust. I felt like killing him.
 
Killem Dafoe said:
I agree, and again, now we're almost going to a completely different topic. Is he a good guy? He could be. But if someone posts a silly meme poking fun of him hurting himself because of his choice to take drugs, people can laugh at it and I won't feel bad.
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Humor is here to help cope with what can be very serious stuff. Holocaust jokes, **** jokes, drug jokes, you name it. Fine by me.
 
Bob Richards said:
Until I directly hear a lyric from him telling me that taking drugs until I suffer from a seizure is cool, I'm not going to pin that criticism on him.

If you listen to a Wayne song and are inspired to start doing stupid ****, that's a choice you make.
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It's still promoting something though. That's my point. Whether you choose to do that thing he's singing about is up to you.

Case in point: My friend's little brother was drinking something a few years back that he called "sizzurp" It was cough syrup mixed with vodka and sprite. I said, "Damn dude the **** you doing that for?" and he said, "You never heard Lil Wayne's song? This **** is dope."

Now I know as far as anyone knows I could be making that up, but I'm telling you, I'm not. My friend's little brother is stupid for doing that. He's stupid for listening to a rapper and trying to do what the rapper does. Since then, he still does. He buys hats, pants, all kinds of stuff that rappers wear, it's insane. I've never been that way, in fact, I don't even buy things because of commercials, but a lot of people do and that's why we have advertising campaigns with Britney Spears drinking Coca Cola or Michael Jordan wearing Fruit of the Looms. It's all the same thing.
 
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