OT: OT thread number 11 | No More Bad News PLEASE!

[s7ark]

Thanks. Lahaina town is one of the most historic on the island. It served as the nation's capital at one point and was the whaling capital of the world. Lahaina as we know it is gone, it will never be the same no matter how they build back.

That is awful to hear. Damn that sucks.

 

[doulos]

Even their prices have jacked up the last year I've noticed. They used to be quite comparable with Walmart grocery prices but not anymore. My daughter loves Greek salad so the brand of feta cheese I buy is $5.50-ish at WM. Superstore...now it's over $7.00 for the same container, same size, same product, same brand. There's also a peppered deli meat my son likes that Walmart sells for $5.00 even. Again, the same brand, package size and product is almost $8 at SS now.

People can't afford their homes, can't afford their utilities or their food. For the first time in my life, I'm saying Canada sucks.



C

There are other options for places to live. hope you can find one that works for you. See ya.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Thanks. Lahaina town is one of the most historic on the island. It served as the nation's capital at one point and was the whaling capital of the world. Lahaina as we know it is gone, it will never be the same no matter how they build back.

I love history so I was pretty familiar with the significance of that town before we visited. Read multiple books on it. We were able to visit the Carthaginian Whaler ship/museum while there. Was sad to learn that was scuttled years ago. Now sadder to know that the historic part of town is gone.

But so much lost and lives lost. The saddest irony is that without deforestation this tragedy perhaps does not unfold as it did. Another case of man made altering of the landscape leading to things like this.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Good thing it wasn’t a tattoo he was getting.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What do you think will happen short and long term with tourism there as mist people stayed in hotels outside of Lahaina but so many staff lived in those parts? Sounds like short term they will be closing the island down to tourism but even if they rebuild there’s really no housing to bring in the workers they’d need to rebuild hundreds of homes and businesses?



Yes for sure I read that but a firestorm itself creates it’s own hurricane force winds. As you say it’s an unfortunate perfect storm.

Short term they are trying to put out the fire 100%, bringing in supplies, get the power back on and recovering and identifying the bodies. Total is now 55 I believe and around 1,000 people still unaccounted for.

They will not shut down tourism in the rest of the island and will likely resume tourism on the west side when things settle down. Most hotels are actually outside of Lahaina in Kaanapali, Honokowai, Kahana, Napili and Kapalua. Most of the shopping and historical sites were in Lahaina. Front Street has basically been a touristy area as long as I can remember it and as such has been geared towards tourists more-so than locals.

There is already a massive shortage of affordable homes and rentals for locals so this just makes it many times worse. I have no idea what they will be doing for housing for locals displaced from the fires while things are rebuilt. Speaking of which, much or what has been lost will never be replaced due to more modern laws about building close to the ocean, sea walls, etc. Lahaina as we know it will never be the same again.

I was upwind or about level with the fire and the winds were howling off the mountains before the fire, if the fire actually travelled faster than the wind that is a scary, scary thought.

I love history so I was pretty familiar with the significance of that town before we visited. Read multiple books on it. We were able to visit the Carthaginian Whaler ship/museum while there. Was sad to learn that was scuttled years ago. Now sadder to know that the historic part of town is gone.

But so much lost and lives lost. The saddest irony is that without deforestation this tragedy perhaps does not unfold as it did. Another case of man made altering of the landscape leading to things like this.

Deforestation is likely a part of it, however until the late 90's or early 00's I believe the area was in sugar cane. Much of the island has been pimped out to tourism and as a result a lot of former farm land has either become subdivisions for the wealthy or open fields. No planning of firebreaks, just waiting on the next fire to arrive. This time it happened with hurricane forced winds with no greenery to slow it down for people to have the proper time to evacuate.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Short term they are trying to put out the fire 100%, bringing in supplies, get the power back on and recovering and identifying the bodies. Total is now 55 I believe and around 1,000 people still unaccounted for.

They will not shut down tourism in the rest of the island and will likely resume tourism on the west side when things settle down. Most hotels are actually outside of Lahaina in Kaanapali, Honokowai, Kahana, Napili and Kapalua. Most of the shopping and historical sites were in Lahaina. Front Street has basically been a touristy area as long as I can remember it and as such has been geared towards tourists more-so than locals.

There is already a massive shortage of affordable homes and rentals for locals so this just makes it many times worse. I have no idea what they will be doing for housing for locals displaced from the fires while things are rebuilt. Speaking of which, much or what has been lost will never be replaced due to more modern laws about building close to the ocean, sea walls, etc. Lahaina as we know it will never be the same again.

I was upwind or about level with the fire and the winds were howling off the mountains before the fire, if the fire actually travelled faster than the wind that is a scary, scary thought.

Deforestation is likely a part of it, however until the late 90's or early 00's I believe the area was in sugar cane. Much of the island has been pimped out to tourism and as a result a lot of former farm land has either become subdivisions for the wealthy or open fields. No planning of firebreaks, just waiting on the next fire to arrive. This time it happened with hurricane forced winds with no greenery to slow it down for people to have the proper time to evacuate.

Thanks Bryan. Tragic loss of life and the beautiful town.

 

[Valhallis]

Short term they are trying to put out the fire 100%, bringing in supplies, get the power back on and recovering and identifying the bodies. Total is now 55 I believe and around 1,000 people still unaccounted for.

They will not shut down tourism in the rest of the island and will likely resume tourism on the west side when things settle down. Most hotels are actually outside of Lahaina in Kaanapali, Honokowai, Kahana, Napili and Kapalua. Most of the shopping and historical sites were in Lahaina. Front Street has basically been a touristy area as long as I can remember it and as such has been geared towards tourists more-so than locals.

There is already a massive shortage of affordable homes and rentals for locals so this just makes it many times worse. I have no idea what they will be doing for housing for locals displaced from the fires while things are rebuilt. Speaking of which, much or what has been lost will never be replaced due to more modern laws about building close to the ocean, sea walls, etc. Lahaina as we know it will never be the same again.

I was upwind or about level with the fire and the winds were howling off the mountains before the fire, if the fire actually travelled faster than the wind that is a scary, scary thought.

Deforestation is likely a part of it, however until the late 90's or early 00's I believe the area was in sugar cane. Much of the island has been pimped out to tourism and as a result a lot of former farm land has either become subdivisions for the wealthy or open fields. No planning of firebreaks, just waiting on the next fire to arrive. This time it happened with hurricane forced winds with no greenery to slow it down for people to have the proper time to evacuate.

Our family has a place in Kihei and the plan is still to come back in December. It certainly will be a different vibe visiting this year. I'm hoping we have a chance to chip in with some volunteer days while we're there. Just devastating. Glad you're safe though Bryan!

 

[brentashton]

Our family has a place in Kihei and the plan is still to come back in December. It certainly will be a different vibe visiting this year. I'm hoping we have a chance to chip in with some volunteer days while we're there. Just devastating. Glad you're safe though Bryan!

I applaud your sense of community.

 

[Valhallis]

I applaud your sense of community.

We're pretty fortunate and consider it our second home after Edmonton so it's a helpless feeling right now.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

I used to love these old TV dinners when I was a kid lol.



That looks so cool. I wonder if you can wear glasses while wearing the headset?

I’m not sure I would be able to do it though, playing those VR games I have to tap out after like 5 minutes.

Have you seen the dude on YT that eats all the military ration kits? Some of them are decades old.

Edit: found one 1944 British Pacific ration meal

 

[bellagiobob]

Lol

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Lol

If the city is contracting it out you know that;

A - it will be years behind schedule
B - it will be millions over budget
C - it won’t work properly for years if ever
D - it will go to the wrong areas or do the wrong thing
E - it won’t have any parking
F - it will serve a tiny fraction of the taxpayers
G - it will be a pain in the ass to use
H - it will cost quadruple to maintain than they budgeted for
I - yet it will always be broken

City of Edmonton in action.

 

[rboomercat90]

Lol

Can’t wait.

 

[Beerfish]

England scrapes by Columbia 2-1

Australia wins 7-6 in a penalty shoot out. Both Australia and France had a lot of chances to score in regulation time.

Good games!

I believe these two teams play to see who goes to the final.

It's been a brilliant tournament all around so far.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Can’t wait.

Yeah I was thinking of this again as Folk Festival is on again in 2023 and no LRT in sight and them now having to replace all the wiring in addition to having had to remediate all the pillars in the whole build. In addition to this in several areas of the city including Whitemud lanes are constricted while they "complete" this latest part of the project.

Really I wonder if its even open in 2024 for Folk Fest.

Meanwhile on Heritage festival we took express shuttle all the way back to Davies which had an express bus to MWTC. Couldn't believe the journey took only 25mins. They could conceivable run busses with limited stops to DT from MWTC and get people there in less time than it takes the more circuitous LRT route. But they don't want to do that because they want shiny LRT which in this case is low speed surface rail.

 

[harpoon]

delete

 

[bellagiobob]

Should be a nice clear night in the interior tonight, only issue may be the smoke. Looking forward to a nice show as usual.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Jasper I think is always going to be a better place to go as its far less effected by day visitor type usage. Banff is a realistic day visit location from anybody in Calgary. They can do that with the 1.25hrs to get there.
This alone has always made up a difference in visitor numbers. But now instagram and that kind of thing.

Some of the solutions will not be popular. But need to occur. Its interesting that areas like Lake O Hara for a long time has required advance passes and limiting visits severely in a much more protected area. In Jasper Edith Cavell has at times recently required an advance appt time to get in, requiring that to visit. Not sure if they are still doing that. One reason it started was the collapse of Ghost Glacier ripping out the road and part of parking area. For a number of years they had to redo the infrastructure there.

Me and the girlfriend head out to the lakes surrounding banff almost every weekend to paddle board, have to be there before 10am or there’s no where to park.

Such a beautiful area though

 

[I am the Liquor]

Me and the girlfriend head out to the lakes surrounding banff almost every weekend to paddle board, have to be there before 10am or there’s no where to park.

Such a beautiful area though

We spent May to September in Canmore last summer…we’ve only been up there a couple times this summer…it’s just too crowded for my liking

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Death toll in Lahaina is up to 90 and they've only searched about 3% of the total area. They're bringing in more cadaver dogs and basically saying that every corpse that they find is Jane or John Doe's due to the fire leaving them unrecognizable.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Death toll in Lahaina is up to 90 and they've only searched about 3% of the total area. They're bringing in more cadaver dogs and basically saying that every corpse that they find is Jane or John Doe's due to the fire leaving them unrecognizable.

I just read the news about exactly that. With 2200 structures burned down in Lahaina it will take them weeks and weeks to search it all. Watched a 6 minute video yesterday from a helicopter and the destruction of the town is total. So sad.

There were 9000 people that lived in Lahaina, how will they house them all? And with all the businesses destroyed and tourism in the West Island halted what will these people even do for income?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Me and the girlfriend head out to the lakes surrounding banff almost every weekend to paddle board, have to be there before 10am or there’s no where to park.

Such a beautiful area though

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/parks-canada-busy-summer-1.6935088

Busiest summer on record with social media as a main driver - everyone wants that Instagram picture.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Soccer related: I’m a little ashamed to admit that I take delight in American losses in any sport. I don’t mention that on Twitter (I’ll never call it X) because I have lots of American followers I don’t want to incite.

 

[Stoneman89]

Should be a nice clear night in the interior tonight, only issue may be the smoke. Looking forward to a nice show as usual.

Saw a bunch last night, fantastic! Beautiful, clear, ink black night to show them off.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/parks-canada-busy-summer-1.6935088

Busiest summer on record with social media as a main driver - everyone wants that Instagram picture.

People racing to see the forest while there still IS a forest.