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Gonna deepdive the Womens WC Canada ratings specifically.


First game got a decent 1.5M viewers. But that match was dismal, just terrible performance in a plodding boring game where little happned. Sinclair even failed to convert a penalty kick with a poor sidefoot attempt that was a full 10ft inside the post. Really it was an easy stop even for a Womens goalie.

2nd game Canada got in fire again going down to Ireland but manage to prevail 2-1 on the benefit of an Ireland own goal. But viewers were only half of the first game at 760K viewers. Pretty poor total as basically any live sports coverage gets that.

By third game hardly anybody watching even in a must win live or die game with the biggest possible implications. Only half million viewers. Just a third of the viewers of the first game and clearly audience loss. I didn't watch 3rd game either already realizing Canada would get thumped. A Blue Jays game same day got much better ratings than a must win game in a tournament that goes only every 4 years.

Canada was shit kicked in this tournament, Sinclair looked plain at 40, can hardly run anymore, just picks some spots on field and hopes somebody can hit her with a pass which is seldom. Sinclair still services decently but is done, and with that Canadian Womens Football. For the last 23 years she was the primary reason to watch. Gonna be a hard haul from here to get anybody paying attention. In sum the Canadian team scored a pathetic 1 goal in 3 games (the other was an own goal from Ireland). This in Womens football where scoring should be more possible given ordinary goaltending and substandard defensive play. Not even diehards could watch this.

What hits me specifically is I started following the womens side around 2001 and really loved seeing the portent of Sinclair and Kara Lang being outstanding players. But the dream was never really realized, they had the most success early on other than the outlier Olympic win. Lang suffered career ending injuries while still young. Sinclair continued to be great but with not close to the help that other topsides had. Just kinda sad that the dream that was there early in millenium, its just gone now. We squandered essentially a Gretzky of Womens Football.
 
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Gonna deepdive the Womens WC Canada ratings specifically.


First game got a decent 1.5M viewers. But that match was dismal, just terrible performance in a plodding boring game where little happned. Sinclair even failed to convert a penalty kick with a poor sidefoot attempt that was a full 10ft inside the post. Really it was an easy stop even for a Womens goalie.

2nd game Canada got in fire again going down to Ireland but manage to prevail 2-1 on the benefit of an Ireland own goal. But viewers were only half of the first game at 760K viewers. Pretty poor total as basically any live sports coverage gets that.

By third game hardly anybody watching even in a must win live or die game with the biggest possible implications. Only half million viewers. Just a third of the viewers of the first game and clearly audience loss. I didn't watch 3rd game either already realizing Canada would get thumped. A Blue Jays game same day got much better ratings than a must win game in a tournament that goes only every 4 years.

Canada was shit kicked in this tournament, Sinclair looked plain at 40, can hardly run anymore, just picks some spots on field and hopes somebody can hit her with a pass which is seldom. Sinclair still services decently but is done, and with that Canadian Womens Football. For the last 23 years she was the primary reason to watch. Gonna be a hard haul from here to get anybody paying attention. In sum the Canadian team scored a pathetic 1 goal in 3 games (the other was an own goal from Ireland). This in Womens football where scoring should be more possible given ordinary goaltending and substandard defensive play. Not even diehards could watch this.

What hits me specifically is I started following the womens side around 2001 and really loved seeing the portent of Sinclair and Kara Lang being outstanding players. But the dream was never really realized, they had the most success early on other than the outlier Olympic win. Lang suffered career ending injuries while still young. Sinclair continued to be great but with not close to the help that other topsides had. Just kinda sad that the dream that was there early in millenium, its just gone now. We squandered essentially a Gretzky of Womens Football.
I’m guessing the first games viewership had more to do with the time of the game
 

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I’m guessing the first games viewership had more to do with the time of the game
2nd and 3rd games though were similar times. But with the third being much more important so odd the viewers were so low. Also majority of pop is in Eastern Zone where the game started at 6am. People could just get up early and watch if they were interested.
 

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Superstore is still the cheaper option for most things. I don't care that people don't "respect" them. All that matters is that my pocketbook does.
Even their prices have jacked up the last year I've noticed. They used to be quite comparable with Walmart grocery prices but not anymore. My daughter loves Greek salad so the brand of feta cheese I buy is $5.50-ish at WM. Superstore...now it's over $7.00 for the same container, same size, same product, same brand. There's also a peppered deli meat my son likes that Walmart sells for $5.00 even. Again, the same brand, package size and product is almost $8 at SS now.

People can't afford their homes, can't afford their utilities or their food. For the first time in my life, I'm saying Canada sucks.



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Germany, #2, just bowed out not getting a result against #72 team in the world. Germany did not advance to knockout for first time ever. They join Canada and Brazil as topten teams that didn't even advance and all had an easy enough path to advance.

When you combine this dynamic of failure to prevail against pretty weak opposition I need to mention that the top womens national sides in the world have been getting blown out in matches against 15yr old boys.

Heres how badly the ratings are going on TSN here. Canada dropped out and TSN essentially dropped any extra coverage of the ttournament. There I was last night and not one game in the tournament was being replayed on any of their 5 tiers. There had been important matches including the Germany game, TSN wasn't showing it. Maybe they showed it once live.

The telecasts of course try to hype the results up as evidence of parity. I view it more ad evidence of relative mediocrity. I supported Women's football and went to games for 20yrs. When they started asking for equal pay to much more talented male players I stopped going. Thats the difficulty with inane demands. People just stop supporting you altogether. Rapinoe alone did more to further dislike of Womens Football, or at least the US side as anybody on the planet.
Lots of parody which IMO makes it exciting. Portugal nearly took out the US. Jamaica tied Brazil sending them home. S. Korea sent home Germany with a tie.

15 year old boys that have gone through or are going through puberty have a physical advantage. I for one don't feel the need to compare the genders and instead enjoy the level of play for what it is. Pretty sure this would be the case in most sports. 15 year old boys in hockey vs. women hockey players, etc.

I am no fan of Rapinoe, but there are quality women on that team that I still respect. Not worth allowing 1 or 2 people to ruin the entirety of the spot. At the national level there should be equality IMO. At the pro level it's different IMO.
 
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Gonna deepdive the Womens WC Canada ratings specifically.


First game got a decent 1.5M viewers. But that match was dismal, just terrible performance in a plodding boring game where little happned. Sinclair even failed to convert a penalty kick with a poor sidefoot attempt that was a full 10ft inside the post. Really it was an easy stop even for a Womens goalie.

2nd game Canada got in fire again going down to Ireland but manage to prevail 2-1 on the benefit of an Ireland own goal. But viewers were only half of the first game at 760K viewers. Pretty poor total as basically any live sports coverage gets that.

By third game hardly anybody watching even in a must win live or die game with the biggest possible implications. Only half million viewers. Just a third of the viewers of the first game and clearly audience loss. I didn't watch 3rd game either already realizing Canada would get thumped. A Blue Jays game same day got much better ratings than a must win game in a tournament that goes only every 4 years.

Canada was shit kicked in this tournament, Sinclair looked plain at 40, can hardly run anymore, just picks some spots on field and hopes somebody can hit her with a pass which is seldom. Sinclair still services decently but is done, and with that Canadian Womens Football. For the last 23 years she was the primary reason to watch. Gonna be a hard haul from here to get anybody paying attention. In sum the Canadian team scored a pathetic 1 goal in 3 games (the other was an own goal from Ireland). This in Womens football where scoring should be more possible given ordinary goaltending and substandard defensive play. Not even diehards could watch this.

What hits me specifically is I started following the womens side around 2001 and really loved seeing the portent of Sinclair and Kara Lang being outstanding players. But the dream was never really realized, they had the most success early on other than the outlier Olympic win. Lang suffered career ending injuries while still young. Sinclair continued to be great but with not close to the help that other topsides had. Just kinda sad that the dream that was there early in millenium, its just gone now. We squandered essentially a Gretzky of Womens Football.
Watching the women's game a few things likely play into the lower scoring. Firstly the power of the shots aren't particularly great and most shots outside the box are not very dangerous. Secondly there isn't seemingly a massive speed advantage by the forwards so it's harder to get clean shots away. Lastly the leaping and crossing ability isn't as high of a level.
 
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No surprise.

As with most polls helps to read the fine print.

Methodology These are the findings from a Maru Public Opinion survey conducted for Canada’s Most Respected Award Program. The survey was managed by the panel and data management experts at Maru Blue among 2,932 randomly selected Canadian adults who are members of the Maru Voice Canada online panel from June 26-27, 2023. The methodology ensures that the disproportionate sample sizes are balanced for the total results. The data has been weighted by education, age, gender, region, and language in Quebec, to match the population according to the most recent census data so that the sample is representative of the entire adult population of Canada.

So that this isn't random in any way. i would further suspect the "weighting" to not adequately represent anything out of Eastern Canada as Metro doesn't even exist here and I've never heard of it.

Further the Maru Polls are conducted and Maru Voice Canada joining is conducted all online. Only people that have signed up for Maru polls are represented. This further makes it non random, non representative.

Costco lmao please shop here and we'll take all your disposable cash, make you overconsume, and charge you for membership. you probably get a free Maru Poll promotion for discount at Costco if you join up. lol

The most hilarious finding is backlash at Loblaws specifically for making too much money. Jebus, Walmart and Costco suck money out of the Earth.

Superstore for me is reasonable quality outlet with reasonable prices and I can find everything I want there. Generally I prefer it and the stores are widely available and I don't have to park in a different time zone or drive out of town to get to one that isn't overflowing with traffic.
 

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This is OT but for years as a camper I was frustrated at the RV industry. I was far from alone. On this continent as concerns about gas mileage, inflation, cost of living continued to shoot up the RV industry responded just as dinosaur US car industry did 70yrs ago making heaps bigger, sillier, and heavier. Rarely were small good lightweights available and when they were they were mostly flimsy garbage on wheels. During pandemic assembly got even worse and the advisory by several pundits is don't buy the garbage. People are getting new trailers that are rotting out, stepping right through floorboards or walls unstable or slide outs collapsing.

The problems aren't even recent. The "death spiral has been about a decade now.


Its an industry that is idea bankrupt on this continent. All they wanted was to put out bigger and bigger product for more money. Which made little sense to anybody except the dealers. It wasn't consumer driven. The cost of getting a small camper van which I would buy, is in excess of what we paid for our house. Yeah, not doing that.

Meanwhile on other continents or even in US countless cheaper campervans exist that are not available here and never available here. In other continents they are making trailers so lightweight and easy to pull there are now well equipped Bicycle trailers.

Here in Dinosaur Canada you get a 5000-10000lb trailer and need a truck to pull it.. You won't even hit the road without a 50-75K investment. Not of course including massive upkeep costs of vehicle, gas prices, camping prices etc. Wasn't until relatively recently that lightweight models were even common here and by light I mean well over 1klbs.

I doubt the RV industry here ever gets it. Borders for RV's should be opened so Canadians can get on the many reasonable products you can get elsewhere.

The RV industry is so out to lunch on the needs and wants of consumers that in my nieghborhood, within one block 3 different families are building their own lightweight trailers. Its been interesting to see the builds and countless building models for do it yourself construction are online.

I would LOVE to have had the option of a small trailer one could pull with a bike. I'm too old now but I wonder if manufacturers ever put something like this out here. I guess you just have to build your own.
 
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This is OT but for years as a camper I was frustrated at the RV industry. I was far from alone. On this continent as concerns about gas mileage, inflation, cost of living continued to shoot up the RV industry responded just as dinosaur US car industry did 70yrs ago making heaps bigger, sillier, and heavier. Rarely were small good lightweights available and when they were they were mostly flimsy garbage on wheels. During pandemic assembly got even worse and the advisory by several pundits is don't buy the garbage. People are getting new trailers that are rotting out, stepping right through floorboards or walls unstable or slide outs collapsing.

The problems aren't even recent. The "death spiral has been about a decade now.


Its an industry that is idea bankrupt on this continent. All they wanted was to put out bigger and bigger product for more money. Which made little sense to anybody except the dealers. It wasn't consumer driven. The cost of getting a small camper van which I would buy, is in excess of what we paid for our house. Yeah, not doing that.

Meanwhile on other continents or even in US countless cheaper campervans exist that are not available here and never available here. In other continents they are making trailers so lightweight and easy to pull there are now well equipped Bicycle trailers.

Here in Dinosaur Canada you get a 5000-10000lb trailer and need a truck to pull it.. You won't even hit the road without a 50-75K investment. Not of course including massive upkeep costs of vehicle, gas prices, camping prices etc. Wasn't until relatively recently that lightweight models were even common here and by light I mean well over 1klbs.

I doubt the RV industry here ever gets it. Borders for RV's should be opened so Canadians can get on the many reasonable products you can get elsewhere.

The RV industry is so out to lunch on the needs and wants of consumers that in my nieghborhood, within one block 3 different families are building their own lightweight trailers. Its been interesting to see the builds and countless building models for do it yourself construction are online.

I would LOVE to have had the option of a small trailer one could pull with a bike. I'm too old now but I wonder if manufacturers ever put something like this out here. I guess you just have to build your own.
Wide Path has had campers you pull behind bikes for years.
 

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Wide Path has had campers you pull behind bikes for years.
Wide Path is based and manufactured in Denmark. Did you miss I was speaking of a lack of NA manufacturing and sales of the same? In most cases you can't even use a Euro trailer here as its not approved for use here.

Even if you could use their product here the shipping costs and total price would be pretty high for what you're getting.
 

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Lots of parody which IMO makes it exciting. Portugal nearly took out the US. Jamaica tied Brazil sending them home. S. Korea sent home Germany with a tie.

15 year old boys that have gone through or are going through puberty have a physical advantage. I for one don't feel the need to compare the genders and instead enjoy the level of play for what it is. Pretty sure this would be the case in most sports. 15 year old boys in hockey vs. women hockey players, etc.

I am no fan of Rapinoe, but there are quality women on that team that I still respect. Not worth allowing 1 or 2 people to ruin the entirety of the spot. At the national level there should be equality IMO. At the pro level it's different IMO.
I used to be capable of this but I just attended too many games. We had multiple games here at Commonwealth in 2002, 2015 etc. I was able to get Soccer association passes to those tournaments so watched a lot of the games. There were moments in the 2015 tournament where we just left, tired of watching two clubs that couldn't stitch 3 passes together. Once you see it its hard to unsee it. Then you see goalies walk towards a ball to try to make a save. You start going oh f***. The amount of own goals I've seen in Womens soccer.

Theres whole videos on womens Soccer miscues. There really is an apparent coordination difference that is just as foremost as the strength difference. For whatever reason most womens players are clumsy. Which is hard to understand because the same is not the case in ballet, gymnastics etc.

For a number of reasons I'm at a different place with the Womens game currently than you are. A decade ago I'd be supporting it. Doesn't help either that the bottom has completely dropped out of the Womens program here in Canada and it really is a mess. The team was unprepared for the tourney and most of whats been going on past year is a pay impasse. The team was crap for a longwhile leading up to his tournament.

What has occurred here in Canada is that the Mens program has been in an ascendency and the Womens program is in free fall. So that its going to get much worse for the Women. They're not even getting paid for some of the appearances or haven't been paid yet.
 

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Even their prices have jacked up the last year I've noticed. They used to be quite comparable with Walmart grocery prices but not anymore. My daughter loves Greek salad so the brand of feta cheese I buy is $5.50-ish at WM. Superstore...now it's over $7.00 for the same container, same size, same product, same brand. There's also a peppered deli meat my son likes that Walmart sells for $5.00 even. Again, the same brand, package size and product is almost $8 at SS now.

People can't afford their homes, can't afford their utilities or their food. For the first time in my life, I'm saying Canada sucks.



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A lot of etnic stores have Feta cheese cheaper because they sell it in volume. I can still get it for 5 bucks and the highest quality stuff. Superstore is fine for most things, pricing competitive. In cases where its not just don't buy it. Its how we approach shopping. If the grapes are too expensive buy Cherries, etc. Case in point recently Cherries were 1buck/K cheaper at Superstore than Walmart. It happens. Walmart is also having serious supply issues. They've lost their contract with Gluten free bread, so they have none of it and I'm Celiac and Superstore has their own line of bread that is Gluten Free that is very good, and affordable.

Because I'm a hiker Superstore also has this. Its the best line of trailmixes I've ever had and most of it gluten free and often just 5 bucks. Walmart doesn't cover this outstanding brand. Neither does Costco.


Not to mention things like Presidents Choice products being high quality.
 
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Wide Path is based and manufactured in Denmark. Did you miss I was speaking of a lack of NA manufacturing and sales of the same? In most cases you can't even use a Euro trailer here as its not approved for use here.

Even if you could use their product here the shipping costs and total price would be pretty high for what you're getting.
Website says they’ve been available in the US for about five years.
 

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Website says they’ve been available in the US for about five years.
But not Canada. Several RV's Motorhomes etc that get sold in US are hard to get approved here. I mean for road use anyway. Some of Wide Path products are not even approved for roads in Denmark. heh

I looked all over that site and couldn't find any imformation on where these products are sold in NA. I just see Europe dealerships.

Where does it state availability in US?


ps I found it, but not anywhere on the mother company home site. US redistributors exist, but not for sale to Canada.
 
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Even their prices have jacked up the last year I've noticed. They used to be quite comparable with Walmart grocery prices but not anymore. My daughter loves Greek salad so the brand of feta cheese I buy is $5.50-ish at WM. Superstore...now it's over $7.00 for the same container, same size, same product, same brand. There's also a peppered deli meat my son likes that Walmart sells for $5.00 even. Again, the same brand, package size and product is almost $8 at SS now.

People can't afford their homes, can't afford their utilities or their food. For the first time in my life, I'm saying Canada sucks.



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There’s a reason why that group of companies is despised by so many Canadians and gets such poor ratings. Controversy after controversy, I avoid it like the plague. Also have the worst designed shopping carts in history. ;)
 

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But not Canada. Several RV's Motorhomes etc that get sold in US are hard to get approved here. I mean for road use anyway. Some of Wide Path products are not even approved for roads in Denmark. heh

I looked all over that site and couldn't find any imformation on where these products are sold in NA. I just see Europe dealerships.

Where does it state availability in US?


ps I found it, but not anywhere on the mother company home site. US redistributors exist, but not for sale to Canada.
Came across this article from a few years ago. The World’s Tiniest Collapsible Camper Is Now Available In The U.S.

Went to their Facebook page and their most recent post is a picture of one of their trailers being shipped to Canada. Nice looking unit.
 

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Came across this article from a few years ago. The World’s Tiniest Collapsible Camper Is Now Available In The U.S.

Went to their Facebook page and their most recent post is a picture of one of their trailers being shipped to Canada. Nice looking unit.
Thanks. My whole point though is how decades behind the NA manufacturers have been compared to Euro or other continent contemporaries. As a camping enthusiast I've spent essentially a lifetime waiting for sensible lightweight options that seldom came here and things like this elevated such things as the Classic VW campervan in all its forms to vaunted status, but again for most of my life these not being sold here and whenever you come across a resell its old, broken down, and yet expensive. What they charge in Canada for a functional running camper van now is nuts.

The RV industry in NA like I say just wanted to milk consumers for RV's that cost enormous bucks and are terrible designed and made. Just an awful industry here for the last 30yrs.

By and large the far superior Euro products are not available here and not road approved for use here. Many people that have imported, they have to pay extra to get the vehicle checked, approved for use here. Can also be a long process.

In most cases just too much trouble to deal with unless one expects to be a distributor.

 

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Thanks. My whole point though is how decades behind the NA manufacturers have been compared to Euro or other continent contemporaries. As a camping enthusiast I've spent essentially a lifetime waiting for sensible lightweight options that seldom came here and things like this elevated such things as the Classic VW campervan in all its forms to vaunted status, but again for most of my life these not being sold here and whenever you come across a resell its old, broken down, and yet expensive. What they charge in Canada for a functional running camper van now is nuts.

The RV industry in NA like I say just wanted to milk consumers for RV's that cost enormous bucks and are terrible designed and made. Just an awful industry here for the last 30yrs.

By and large the far superior Euro products are not available here and not road approved for use here. Many people that have imported, they have to pay extra to get the vehicle checked, approved for use here. Can also be a long process.

In most cases just too much trouble to deal with unless one expects to be a distributor.

Manufacturers/companies will produce/sell anything that makes them money, so would have to assume with our vast geographical space and love for vehicles in NA that the market for what you want is quite specific and not in great demand, or we would be seeing that product in all of the RV outlets. Bigger seems to be the way the market has gone here. I go to the RV show every couple of years, and the size of the main units offered is just getting bigger every year, and seems to be the big sellers based on what I see on the roads and in the campgrounds.
 

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Manufacturers/companies will produce/sell anything that makes them money, so would have to assume with our vast geographical space and love for vehicles in NA that the market for what you want is quite specific and not in great demand, or we would be seeing that product in all of the RV outlets. Bigger seems to be the way the market has gone here. I go to the RV show every couple of years, and the size of the main units offered is just getting bigger every year, and seems to be the big sellers based on what I see on the roads and in the campgrounds.
The RV industry here is making the same mistake that doomed Detroit over half a century ago. The RV industry wants to sell trailers that are heavy, big, loaded down with all the bells and whistles because they figure people will still line up to buy those. The RV industry on the continent here is free fall because they've been trying to sell these big lemons on wheels and nobody buying. The whole notion of dropping 200K on a motorhome? Why would anybody do that. You could stay at the most expensive hotels any time you wanted for less cost.

What the RV industry has done here is increasingly sell these big behemoths to the 1% of the market.

I'm not making this up. Within a block of my home several people are building their own RV's themselves at lowcost and lightweight and the RV industry is basically causing people to build their own because they CANNOT find what they want at any dealership.

I agree bigger and bigger is how the RV industry here has been going for a longwhile but they're missing a large segment of potential market by doing that.

Every other continent in the world is selling sensible vehicles and campers its Just NA, as per usual, in its own bubble.

Blue prints for build your own RV's are exploding on the internet. People fed up waiting just making their own. I would too if I was younger but not much point in a new RV now. We still have a Tent Trailer that has serviced us pretty well.

Give you an example of the demand here. Polling estimated something like 50K Canadians would be still interested in a VW campervan if they were still being manufactured and sold here. Unfortunately sales of these left the continent a long time ago. Theres been incredible interest in what platforms the VW Buzz will have but being EV its notoriously expensive and having a lot of problems. They're slowing production down even before release and not because of lack of demand specifically but due to manufacturers rethinking the whole EV push. If VW just decided to release VW gas or diesel Campers here again they would sell million in NA.
 
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Just watched this new doc, out on Netflix last week.


We consume a lot of fresh vegetables in our home (not uncommon to just eat salads for multiple days on end), 12 months of the year. Right now we are fortunate because we have our garden produce to rely in but come later in the fall, we have to rely on the leafy green industry of Yuma AZ and Salinas CA. I always wondered how safe that food source was, this doc confirms where I was leaning. We eat a lot of chicken as well. Ugh. Going to have to rethink my diet. Maybe beef jerky and Cheezies isn’t so bad after all…
 

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Netherlands moves on after beating South Africa 2-0, the Dutch had two goals called back but their second goal was a huge gaffe by the South African goalie.

USA is out after losing to Sweden on penalty kicks. The USA dominated play but the Swedish goalie played out of her mind good. A bit of controversy on the winning goal as the USA goalie appeared to have stopped the penalty kick but replay review said the ball had just crossed the goal line.
 
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This was nice though: The mouth got what she deserved.

"I mean, this is like a sick joke. For me personally, this is like dark comedy that I missed a penalty," Rapinoe said as she blinked back tears. "This is the balance to the beautiful side of the game. I think it can be cruel."
 
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