OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

[Mike Liut]

Both Marcus Semien and Corey Seager signed in Texas after the team hit over 100 losses. Now they're both WS champs only two years later.

The only thing that would prevent a player from signing is the Cardinals not paying the money needed, not the player looking at loss records.

Mo won’t out bid teams

 

[Bluesnatic27]

Mo won’t out bid teams

Then that should be the complaint.

Not that the team had one losing season for the first time in 15 years.

 

[Mike Liut]

Then that should be the complaint.

Not that the team had one losing season for the first time in 15 years.

but I think it plays a part. If the Cards had the same offer on the table for Snell and Nola as the Braves, Phillies and the Dodgers, do you think they’d pick the last place team over the those teams?

 

[TheDizee]

Denton didn't do the best job of conveying his tweet here. Having a similar payroll to the team pre-deadline gives them around 40-50m to spend. Keep in mind this was before a handful of players were traded, and Waino and Verhagen are off the books as well.

still not enough, in fact not even close to having enough $ to fill the holes in the team, especially pitching.

 

[Daley Tarasenkshow]

still not enough, in fact not even close to having enough $ to fill the holes in the team, especially pitching.

So you're saying that, hypothetically, if the cardinals sign Nola and Gray + trade for a 3rd starter, that would be an unsuccessful offseason? I understand that there would hopefully be other (smaller) moves like relievers, and depth. But I'd consider that a winning winter IMO.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[PJJJP]

I am prepared to be disappointed this offseason for the Cardinals. I think they will get outbid for Yamamoto, Nola, Snell, Montgomery. I can see them in the Gray (only because he is 34 and will command a 3-4 year contract), Rodgriguez, Stroman market.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Yea if they're not in hard on Yamamoto then what are we even doing here. The dude is a 25 year old stud. Fits in super well with all our current younger core and looks every bit like the top end starter we need.

I'm honestly over the Goldy/Arenado core at this point, we tried for them and it didn't work out. Sucks, sorry, oh well. I'm much more intrigued by Gorman/Walker/Donovan/Noot as the group to build around. Yamamoto slots right in with them.

 

[PJJJP]

I think the biggest problem with the Cardinals in FA is that they are so scared of overpaying the Top end FA that they end up overpaying the mediocre middle tier FA.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

I think the biggest problem with the Cardinals in FA is that they are so scared of overpaying the Top end FA that they end up overpaying the mediocre middle tier FA.

(shuddering) Fowler..

 

[PJJJP]

(shuddering) Fowler..

Mike Leake...

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Mike Leake...

Cecil.. Not a massive overpay, but a reach and a miss nonetheless. Extending Carp was unnecessary and cost us. "The Cardinal Way" needs to evolve and soon.

 

[TheDizee]

Cecil.. Not a massive overpay, but a reach and a miss nonetheless. Extending Carp was unnecessary and cost us. "The Cardinal Way" needs to evolve and soon.

greg holland

 

[BleedBlue14]

I think the biggest problem with the Cardinals in FA is that they are so scared of overpaying the Top end FA that they end up overpaying the mediocre middle tier FA.

They absolutely are and have been for a while now. Cardinals probably rightfully so are still in their model from 2000-2010 which was great then. But we aren’t turning out the young arms like we were to be able to avoid taking the leap. Unfortunately now taking the leap means making a Padres/Rangers/Dodgers massive off-season and being ok with recovering the money later if it doesn’t work out by shedding it all out. Don’t think this franchise is alright with that.

 

[Spear]

The only 'moves' so far....

11/17/23	RHP Dakota Hudson elected free agency.
11/17/23	1B Juan Yepez elected free agency.
11/17/23	C Andrew Knizner elected free agency.
11/17/23	RHP Jake Woodford elected free agency.

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[PJJJP]

Nola goes back to the Phillies. Well that’s one name that the Cardinals were connected to

 

[542365]

Nola goes back to the Phillies. Well that’s one name that the Cardinals were connected to

Apparently the Cards never even met with him according to Goold. I just can’t envision a realistic way this team turns things around next year. We need basically an entire pitching staff.

 

[AVictoryDive]

Apparently the Cards never even met with him according to Goold. I just can’t envision a realistic way this team turns things around next year. We need basically an entire pitching staff.

Nola’s agent told Mo they were keen on staying in Philadelphia hence why he took a discount contract. More than likely if they get an “ace” it will probably be via trade but we’ll see

 

[Spear]

Good. I'm glad the Cards didn't pursue Nola. If they were going to enter into that long of a contract, I'd rather it be for a younger pitcher like Yamamoto.

 

[TheDizee]

Apparently the Cards never even met with him according to Goold. I just can’t envision a realistic way this team turns things around next year. We need basically an entire pitching staff.

why would they meet him? hes not a 40yr old LHP on the verge of retirement.

Nola’s agent told Mo they were keen on staying in Philadelphia hence why he took a discount contract. More than likely if they get an “ace” it will probably be via trade but we’ll see

looking forward to another Matz type signing. I love a full rotation full of fringe starters!

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Lance Lynn 1Y 10M

 

[PJJJP]

Lance Lynn 1Y 10M

Just why

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Just why

Idk, don't shoot the messenger. Lol

 

[PJJJP]

Idk, don't shoot the messenger. Lol

If Lynn is the 5th/6th starter than it's ok as long as they sign/trade for 2 really good arms. But I am prepared to be very disappointed again this year

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If Lynn is the 5th/6th starter than it's ok as long as they sign/trade for 2 really good arms. But I am prepared to be very disappointed again this year

Can be disappointed if you have no expectations.