OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

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Cardinals are gonna pull a Blues move and start winning when the seasons lost aren’t they?
Probably but it doesn’t matter as much in baseball. The top ten in WAR:

Ohtani-International free agent
Ha Soeng Kim-Same
Acuna Jr.-Same
Freeman-41st overall
Betts-172nd overall
Franco-International free agent
Seager-18th overall
Semien-201st overall
Gerrit Cole-1st overall
Luis Robert Jr.-International free agent

It’s why teams are bad for decades. They need an international draft of some sort.
 

oPlaiD

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The Astros managed to build a World Series winner thanks to a few top 2 draft picks and trades and free agents (and cheating of course), but their somewhat successful draft history shows just how wonky MLB drafting can be...

2012 they got Carlos Correa at #1. Great.

2013 they drafted Mark Appel, who never pitched in the big leagues... until this year, where he pitched 10.1 innings for Philly before getting released. He was originally drafted out of high school in 2009, but didn't sign and attended Stanford. In 2012, after his junior year, he was projected to go #1 but fell due to signability and was taken at #8 and did not sign. Then the Astros took him first the next year. He was traded to Philly a few years later until he was designated for assignment and stepped away from baseball in 2018 at 26 years of age. He tried a comeback in 2021 and finally reached the majors before eventually being released. But hey, he has a career 1.74 ERA in his 10.1 IP... So at least he's got that. And a degree from Stanford, which is nice.

In 2014 the Astros drafted Brady Aiken, who they were about to sign for $6.5m until medicals revealed some shoulder inflammation. They reduced their offer to $5m and he did not sign, which had some other ramifications for the rest of the Astros draft (they lost bonus money they could have used to sign other draft picks over slot because they failed to sign Aiken under the $8m slot value), but that later ended up being a blessing in disguise. Aiken ended up requiring Tommy Johns surgery on the ligament that Houston found was inflamed. The next year Aiken was drafted at #17 by Cleveland and signed, but six years later was released and is currently one of three players drafted at #1 overall who has never played in the MLB.

In 2015, the Astros got the #2 overall draft pick because they failed to sign Aiken and selected Alex Bregman, who was obviously a core player leading to their World Series titles.

Anyway this is a pretty nice history to show how silly the MLB draft can be. The two guys the Astros picked at #1 who were so highly regarded teams weren't sure they could sign them / weren't signed by them never even played in the major leagues.

The only absolute in building a baseball winner is that money makes it easier, but even the teams with seemingly infinite money need to successfully spend it in multiple ways be it free agency, the draft, international scouting, and player development to really succeed.
 

sbet1998

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sigh Some people want to trade Walker already. I think he’ll be able to improve his defense, but holy freaking hell, do I not understand some Cardinals fans. I’ve only blocked one person on Viva El Birdoes, and it was a middle school troll. May have to block more people at this rate, and I rarely block people.

Nobody should want him to be traded. He has the ability to be a great hitter with adequate defense and he's 21. The DH is in play if he never finds his game defensively. I do think after PG leaves he will move to 1B and I think with his experience on the IF with his reach he could be very good there.
 

TheDizee

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lmao

think of all the wainwright cups and shirts they sold this season though. well worth the 17.5 investment! Hopefully he can put on a concert at Busch before his next start too!
 

Xerloris

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lmao

think of all the wainwright cups and shirts they sold this season though. well worth the 17.5 investment! Hopefully he can put on a concert at Busch before his next start too!

I really doubt they've sold enough Wainwright merchandise to make up for his paycheck.
 

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I've been checked out of STL sports since i've moved to Kansas. It was pointed out to me that the Cards are in KC tomorrow. I know we suck, but any storyline worth seeing?
 

Linkens Mastery

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I've been checked out of STL sports since i've moved to Kansas. It was pointed out to me that the Cards are in KC tomorrow. I know we suck, but any storyline worth seeing?
Only story going on the involves the Cards tomorrow is seeing if Matz continues not being atrocious since becoming a starter again.
 

sbet1998

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Only story going on the involves the Cards tomorrow is seeing if Matz continues not being atrocious since becoming a starter again.
The fact that his ERA could very well be under 3 after his horrible start is insane. Hopefully he can bring some of that into next season because as it stands the Cards only have on reliable starter going into 2024.
 

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Matz has quietly become pretty solid. I think he'd be fine as a #5. Mikolas is a solid #2. Now we just need to fill in 1-3-4. I don't have confidence in Liberatore or Hudson, but both have looked solid in their last outings. You gotta wonder how much of it is mental with our pitchers, since unless you're making big bucks you're basically riding the Springfield Express if you have one bad outing with the big league club.
 

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Matz has quietly become pretty solid. I think he'd be fine as a #5. Mikolas is a solid #2. Now we just need to fill in 1-3-4. I don't have confidence in Liberatore or Hudson, but both have looked solid in their last outings. You gotta wonder how much of it is mental with our pitchers, since unless you're making big bucks you're basically riding the Springfield Express if you have one bad outing with the big league club.

id feel better if Mikolas was a #3 and we found a legit 1 and 2. Sign one and trade for one seems do-able.
 

bleedblue1223

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Matz's FIP as a Cardinal is 3.77, 3.78 last season and 3.76 this season. He hasn't been great, but probably better than we've given him credit for, and he's been pretty good lately.

Gotta find a couple guys that are at or have the potential to be a 1/2/3 type guy. Kind of like a Logan Gilbert or even finding another Montgomery.
 

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Rays gave away wander Franco hats to all fans 14 and under on same day wander Franco was benched for allegedly having inappropriate relationship with underage girl. yikes.
I have enjoyed quite a few of these celebration gifs I've seen on Twitter paired with the caption "When the Rays tell Franco he's being sent to the minors". The situation isn't funny, but the Tweets got me pretty good honestly.
 

sbet1998

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The entire pitching staff needs to be rebuilt. The BP is a bigger issue than what is being talked about.
 

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Saggese up to an 1.126 OPS in 13 games since joining the system, .919 on the year, 5th best in Texas league, 12th among all AA. Only 1 of those 12 is younger, most several years older.
 

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